Cam for Old Mans 117

[N456SK]

2012 117, street ported 103 heads, 10-1 static, cam now is andrews 54. I would like to have more low end power, care nothing about 4K and up but don't want to get into pinging problems here in Ok and Texas heat. I am considering a CR 575, TTS 150, TMan 580PS, ?, what do you experts recommend? Bike also has Kurakyn power duals wit crusher mellows, stock TB with 5.3 injectors!
Thanks Steve

[Ohio HD]

I have not the experience with these cams yet, but I will soon. The TTS-150 cams for Twin Cam motors. The TTS-250 you mentioned is for Milwaukee 8 motors.

I've seen several dyno sheets of 117 motors and these cams, they make a great touring type of rig. I've also conversed with those that have tuned them.

They're worth considering. Your compression is good at 10:1.

[Yellow09SERG]

2012 117, street ported 103 heads, 10-1 static, cam now is andrews 54. I would like to have more low end power, care nothing about 4K and up but don't want to get into pinging problems here in Ok and Texas heat. I am considering a CR 575, TTS 150, TMan 580PS, ?, what do you experts recommend? Bike also has Kurakyn power duals wit crusher mellows, stock TB with 5.3 injectors!
Thanks Steve

Steve,
Running the 24d kury cams in my 117. I live in that heat of OK and have been very happy with them. 89 octane friendly with if you ride in Oklahoma you will sooner or later find yourself in a position where that's the best there is. The one difference might be I am running the 110 heads set at 93 cc. Not sure where your heads are at

[838]

What about CR570-2, Andrews 48, woods5-6... your at a compression range that gives you many options... I'd be looking for ICE around 30-35... Andrews 48 is at 29 degrees and might be cool on stilts intake side. I'm not  an expert, just a nerd.. Get a great tune.

[Hillside Motorcycle]

2012 117, street ported 103 heads, 10-1 static, cam now is andrews 54. I would like to have more low end power, care nothing about 4K and up but don't want to get into pinging problems here in Ok and Texas heat. I am considering a CR 575, TTS 150, TMan 580PS, ?, what do you experts recommend? Bike also has Kurakyn power duals wit crusher mellows, stock TB with 5.3 injectors!
Thanks Steve

Wood 6

[N456SK]

I'm afraid the 570-2 might be pushing it a little, I liked the 110 Hillside done a while back with the 575, will the gain with any of them be enough to justify over the Andrews 54?
Steve

[Sunny Jim]

Just advance your 54 4 degrees.

[rigidthumper]

2012 117, street ported 103 heads, 10-1 static, cam now is andrews 54. I would like to have more low end power, care nothing about 4K and up but don't want to get into pinging problems here in Ok and Texas heat. I am considering a CR 575, TTS 150, TMan 580PS, ?, what do you experts recommend? Bike also has Kurakyn power duals wit crusher mellows, stock TB with 5.3 injectors!
Thanks Steve

Any chance you have a dyno sheet? I'm curious where the power is on the current build.

[skunk]

Just advance your 54 4 degrees.

I ran the 54 advanced 4* in my 103" at 10.15. Rolled 114h/117tq. Kinda like a 37 on stilts, same closing as the 37 when advanced 4* . Very nice combo on the bagger I had at the time. Put a lot of miles on that combo.
In my 08 117 I'm running a CR630I, but that ride comes in around 11-1

Earlier closing of the 54 advanced 4* should move your torque curve to the left for very little money, cost of the gear, and a few gaskets.

[N456SK]

No dyno sheet, gonna have GMR tune it, but thought about a cam change before I do. I had actually thought about advancing the 54 or just getting it tuned which may help! It's time to change lifters anyway!
Steve

[rigidthumper]

No dyno sheet, gonna have GMR tune it, but thought about a cam change before I do. I had actually thought about advancing the 54 or just getting it tuned which may help!
Steve

I ran the simulator with the #s you previously posted ( 117/11.5 dish/82cc heads/etc) and came closer to 10.4:1.
I like the combo of the TTS150, V&H power chamber duals, and Kury Crusher Mellows, for your setup.

[N456SK]

Pistons 11.5 dish
Heads 86.5
.030 hg
Pistons .004 down
Right at 10.01, my calculations
Steve

[rigidthumper]

Pistons 11.5 dish
Heads 86.5
.030 hg
Pistons .004 down
Right at 10.01, my calculations
Steve

Cool- I had read a previous post that showed the numbers I used. @ 10.1:1, I'd be tempted to use the TTS100 for more low end.

[Hillside Motorcycle]

I had just posted a Wood 6....it disappeared.
It works VERY WELL at 10.0 cr in a 117".
A fellow member here has one that RC Cycles tuned.......120 ft/lbs at 2300....peaking at 136 at 3800.
124 hp.

[Coyote]

I had just posted a Wood 6....it disappeared.

This?  https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=107873.msg1283333#msg1283333

[Hillside Motorcycle]

There it is.

[Tail Ridr]

I had just posted a Wood 6....it disappeared.

This?  https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=107873.msg1283333#msg1283333

Wish i could see it...

[838]

I had just posted a Wood 6....it disappeared.
It works VERY WELL at 10.0 cr in a 117".
A fellow member here has one that RC Cycles tuned.......120 ft/lbs at 2300....peaking at 136 at 3800.
124 hp.

Is this the woods 6 with .510 lift? Or .590?

[Jim Bronson]

I can only comment on the V&H power duals and the mellows. That's a great combo for my SE 110, and my tuner really likes them.

BTW, careful with the "old man's" stuff. After your first ride, your face will start breaking out again...   

[dave brode]

Not mine, but fyi;

https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=107882.msg1283906#new

TW-5-6
17/37 - 39/15
234 234
.575 .575
.174
.160

[TN]

With the HD 117" kit at 9.9 - 1, using the TTS 150, what would the CCP be?

[yobtaf103]

No dyno sheet, gonna have GMR tune it, but thought about a cam change before I do. I had actually thought about advancing the 54 or just getting it tuned which may help! It's time to change lifters anyway!
Steve

I' be asking GMR/steve for cam suggestions with his tuning/those conditions maybe

[RTMike]

How about a Redshift 657 with that compression will be what your looking for

[ndmp40]

The 103 heads are going to like a decent cam on a 117, even with a street port.  If you want to make great power, find a set of 110 heads and have them worked over.  Or move to a full out 103 head with a large intake valve.

The 103 heads are a restriction on a 103, much less than a 117, so you are going to need more cam than you think to make great power.  Put alot of head on it and you can then cam it conservatively and get results worthy of spending money on a 117.

[Hillside Motorcycle]

I had just posted a Wood 6....it disappeared.
It works VERY WELL at 10.0 cr in a 117".
A fellow member here has one that RC Cycles tuned.......120 ft/lbs at 2300....peaking at 136 at 3800.
124 hp.

Is this the woods 6 with .510 lift? Or .590?

Yes the 6 cam, not the 6H.
It is not the cam, but rather how the cam is made to work.
Always remember, there might be magic beans, but there are NO magic cams.