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How can I join the 125hp/125tq club?

Started by JT Metal, July 20, 2019, 05:29:05 PM

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Hossamania

Quote from: JT Metal on July 20, 2019, 07:26:13 PM
$3,000?......header & tune is $2,000

Is 20hp & 10tq gonna cost me $4-5g?

Much closer to reality than $1000.
If the government gives you everything you want,
it can take everything you have.

tdrglide


pwmorris

Quote from: JT Metal on July 21, 2019, 06:56:05 AM
Quote from: BVHOG on July 21, 2019, 06:38:45 AM
Personally I would rather see 120/130 on a street bike but with 107 cubes what you want is easily attainable, just consider that those numbers you posted mean almost NOTHING.
Understood.....i was trying to ascertain an appx dollar figure vs roa.
Maybe I'll settle with a 30t pulley & belt swap.

Thank you.

Smart man.
OP,
You aren't gonna spend the coin for a 124" which, as said, in mild, crate, untouched, as is form with a decent tune and pipe, will give you around high 120's to low 130's square all day-and I mean any day, any time, ANY dyno....just the way I like it. No games, no secret sauce Dyno tricks (I know and have seen them all) or inflated drums.
BTW, who says 125 square will satisfy you? No way I would be happy with that mild HP and TQ numbers......This site and many others are littered with guys who say more, get more, then want even more. Read posts here, there and everywhere of guys who did this cam, that pipe, head work, etc, etc, till they have well over 6K in their motor, when they simply could have dropped the coin for a 124" and have a bulletproof platform for years to come.
A platform to work around for ANY type of riding style, that will put a smile on your face and still give you the rush you want light to light- and smoke most any Harley you roll up on.
Remember though, a 124" with pipe and good tune is 6 K plus (depending on used, new, source of parts, who does the labor, pipe choice and other factors, which can bump that number up quite a bit, like into 8-9 grand territory. And I'm NOT talking about a 124" using your weak HD flywheel bottom end. The whole 9 yards, top to bottom.
So.....

For two grand, say, give or take, and the most smiles per light, I would do pully and belt (get that gear ratio deeper big time (higher numerically as long as you have an overdrive gear you can get those first 2-3 gears to really matter), a Pingel electric shifter (you have no idea how much fun and quick this is), and a 50 Shave haircut to bump the comp, and mild head work-and if you have the coin left over a retune of course from someone who knows what the hell they are doing.

No free lunch-

SB107

I went with a Evolution Industries 30T solid compensator sprocket, over 3000 miles and its been pretty smooth as long as you don't let your rpm go too low...
Mutant Motors 124"
161/148 STD, 158/145 SAE

JT Metal

Quote from: tdrglide on July 21, 2019, 09:57:42 AM
It's the law of diminishing return
Totally agree. I love my bike no matter. It's fun to ride. But sticking another $5,000 in, and netting an extra 15/15 ain't gonna happen.
And like I said. And I'd give the same advise to anyone whom asks......"just go with a 124" and be done"
Just can't justify the want......

JT Metal

 :koolaid3:
Quote from: SB107 on July 21, 2019, 03:39:21 PM
I went with a Evolution Industries 30T solid compensator sprocket, over 3000 miles and its been pretty smooth as long as you don't let your rpm go too low...

I was considering the final pulley in the rear.

Barrett

Going the long way piece by piece will cost more than a crate. My 117" is over $10,000. S&S with Star heads.
I didn't plan it to go that way at first, it just grew, If I only knew :banghead:
I have other rides so I took the time to do this one right.
I'm sure it will bust the 125 mark..

Coff 06

July 21, 2019, 05:59:52 PM #32 Last Edit: July 21, 2019, 06:09:52 PM by Coff 06
Another example.A couple years ago I upgraded my 06 already 98".
Did not touch the pistons and cylinders.
I changed cams,heads,TB,Injectors,A/C,Dyno tune and tuner and picked up a used 2/1 for a great price.
I still spent approximately $4500 by the time it was done.
It makes 123/118,and still needs a little help in the clutch department
I'm not complaining,the bike runs like a raped ape.Just an example of how quickly things add up
         Coff 06
06 FX Springer, 98",11/1,9B+4*,HPI 55/58 /5.3inj,HDSP Pro Street heads,123/118

Scotty

I try to explain to people that if you just want realiable then clean up the heads. cams and maybe larger pistons and exhaust, tune and you know that is around 1 hp/tq per cubic inch and very easy to attain.
When you try to get 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 and higher hp/tq per cubic inch it's not a little jump it's a whole new plan and although attainable there has to be a $$$$$ consideration.
Get a S&S 124 with a good crank and out the box 1 hp/tq per cubic inch is a given and easy to attain then after that more money needs to be spent.
Have to have a plan or deep deep pockets.

kd

KD

838

Quote from: boooby1744 on July 20, 2019, 05:40:41 PM
110 kit,good tune,2-1 exhaust and lower gearing. Won't give the numbers you want, but you'll feel it sop.

You could even keep your stock header and buy one of the sets of crusher mellows that's on sale in the htt classifieds for $300. Bolt on 110", keep the cams and heads. Stock throttle body won't get you to 125hp, but it will get you close(er) to 120. Find a 30-32t front compensating sprocket.

$1000 for the bolt on kit.
$300 for the mellows
$400 for the sprocket
$500 for the tune

You'll be all in for under $2500, if you're doing the work yourself.



Hillside Motorcycle

Quote from: JT Metal on July 20, 2019, 05:29:05 PM
'12 103
Tman 555
Ported head
.030 head gasket
Stock pipes, gutted cat
S.E. slip-ons with 1.875" baffles

Currently 101hp/112tq

110" drop on kit, 50mm t/body, and insure the heads are up to the task.
130 ft/lbs +/-, and mid teens hp should be achieveable.



Any thoughts would be appreciated.......
Otto Knowbetter sez, "Even a fish wouldn't get caught if he kept his mouth shut"

1workinman

Quote from: BVHOG on July 21, 2019, 06:38:45 AM
Personally I would rather see 120/130 on a street bike but with 107 cubes what you want is easily attainable, just consider that those numbers you posted mean almost NOTHING as they are only a representation of a WOT pull on a machine that is supposed to be used for tuning but unfortunately is used much too often for marketing and or targeting a build. Get yourself early torque and a bike that will ride with no ill manners under various conditions. For that Cubic inches are the best way.
That is absolutely the truth if I ever heard it . The bigger motor will make more low end torque , normally lol and be easier for me to drive.  I drive a heavy sled Street Glide and Road Glide , both are heavy and I like both because I can cruise 85 with the radio on and not get beat up with the wind . I got some experience with big motors NA . I not tried the turbo motors yet but the big motors have torque that I enjoy using . I just don't want it to lay over till rev limiter or close

1workinman

Quote from: HD Street Performance on July 21, 2019, 06:49:59 AM
:up: :up:
What he said.
Plus advice on the crank is wise, get that in the budget not just a top end job.
And don't forget the clutch!
Speed (with reliability and manners) costs money. How fast do you want to go?
Yea probably so . But I can say absolutely it less than doing it twice if not done correctly the first time . I been down that road on the 124 .