dry sump/wet sump. any improvements on 2019 engines?

[msnyder]

   Like many others I would like to know if the moco has done anything to eliminate the sumping problems that some experience. I know there are some very sharp people (and others) on this site who can access parts breakdowns and see if the cases and or scavenging setup has been changed for the 19 m8.
   I have a 2017 RGU that does not sump or transfer tranny fluid.  I like the looks of the 2019 orange and black RGU and the 114 motor but if harley is going for a 3rd year of spin the wheel i,ll certainly pass.
   Someone did post that they saw the new bike have a different  clutch acuator and the plastic shield thingy....
But it seems those efforts were less that successful in the past. 
  I,m sure I,m not the only one that would like to know If anything has been changed.  Even if it has It will be a while before we know if running changes correct the shortcomings on the 17/18 models. A fellow on the "other" forum called heat wave was told that the last replacement motor in his CVO was a 2019 motor. He has put quite a few miles on it without issue. Today the beta testers will spin the wheel.  I truly hope something was done the correct the problems that "most" dealers "have never heard of".. 
   If someone can check the part numbers and post a link or something that would be great.  Thanks Max

[Ohio HD]

There's a differant cover for the oil pump assembly that has an added seal the the previous years didn't have.


2019 air cooled
11293 o-ring
62400206 cover oil pump assy
62400205 oil seal


2017 air cooled
11293 o-ring
62400125 cover oil pump assy

[hd06myway]

ANOTHER REASON NOT TO BE THE 1st KID ON YOUR BLOCK TO OWN THE "ALL NEW" (fill in the blanks...) 

[Ohio HD]

I'd wait to see if they have any success before we wave a flag of victory......    they're new parts, but one has to see long term results first.

[HV]

New Oil Pump Back Plate

[rich1]

If you order the latest pump does that seal come with it?

[HV]

No...this is a completely new Back plate for the pump ( seal is part of the Plate ) ...Im thinking it may be available on the new 2019s...we will see...not in the parts systems yet....

[Fat11Lo]

What's the theory behind this? Why would this seal be needed?

[BVHOG]

So it doesn't breath through the bearing I would assume

[yobtaf103]

So it doesn't breath through the bearing I would assume

Yeah thought that also, but this is on oil pump mating face, not pump to shaft seal?

intriguing

[HV]

Im told the new 2019s will all have this Plate Mod

[rigidthumper]

I'm guessing the thicker plate prevents warping, so the scavenge side of the pump seals/works better. Plate seal would combine with the oring on the pinion shaft to isolate the lower end, but now I'm wondering how the crankcase breathes?
OEMpartfinder.htm#/---2019/FLHXS_1KRP_STREET_GLIDE_SPECIAL_(2019)//CAMSHAFTS_A

[BVHOG]

One other thing that has been changed at least on the 114 motors is that the crank wheels have been narrowed, not sure what the reasoning is behind this but I would assume narrower would mean more volume in case and less oil shearing.

[HV]

On the last two 114s that sumped I found the Plates had warped on the pumps...the new plate should fix this 

[JMHD]

I'm guessing the thicker plate prevents warping, so the scavenge side of the pump seals/works better. Plate seal would combine with the oring on the pinion shaft to isolate the lower end, but now I'm wondering how the crankcase breathes?
OEMpartfinder.htm#/---2019/FLHXS_1KRP_STREET_GLIDE_SPECIAL_(2019)//CAMSHAFTS_A

Good question!The lower end can still breathe through the cam bearings but sealing off the pinion bearing reduces it drastically. Maybe it will lubricate the cam bearings better as well  . I am still trying to wrap my head around the theory of this fix.

[sandrooney]

I am thinking of getting a new 18 Heritage. Are there a lot of the 18's that have this sumping issue. Seems some had sumping issues on the twin cam as well.

[HV]

Ive not seen or heard of a Softail Sumping yet

[Reddog74usa]

 

[sandrooney]

Thanks that's what I was needing to hear.

[HD/Wrench]

That kit must be available as I pulled a 18 apart for cam swap never saw that seal before . Dealer had just did the sumping repair    . No oil pressure was Complaint  dealer installs pump no other work done       I would tell you if it works but the clutch is slipping had 64 or so oz in primary .. No idea transfer or  tech that just added  qt on top 

[bigcraig]

That kit must be available as I pulled a 18 apart for cam swap never saw that seal before . Dealer had just did the sumping repair    . No oil pressure was Complaint  dealer installs pump no other work done       I would tell you if it works but the clutch is slipping had 64 or so oz in primary .. No idea transfer or  tech that just added  qt on top

LOL

Check the transmission fluid, see if it even registers on the stick. If not, then it has some serious transfer, if fine, well, the HD tech needs a beating!

[HD/Wrench]

Trans was clean and about half way . So best guess he just added another qt. pack looked ok a bit worn bike has just over 10,000 on it .. Installed new pack shim kit for some extra clamping power and that is all good .

However came in to office ..... cool off temp wise and mentally as well . They did not get the cap on the rad fill all the way and it popped to the first notch while tuning and made a huge freaking mess  .

So just got done taking care of that screw up ..   

Stepping back into the box to complete the tune 

[bigcraig]

Trans was clean and about half way . So best guess he just added another qt. pack looked ok a bit worn bike has just over 10,000 on it .. Installed new pack shim kit for some extra clamping power and that is all good .

However came in to office ..... cool off temp wise and mentally as well . They did not get the cap on the rad fill all the way and it popped to the first notch while tuning and made a huge freaking mess  .

So just got done taking care of that screw up ..   

Stepping back into the box to complete the tune

Nothing worse than fixing issues caused by "certified" techs!

[DeneFLHR]

I love my '15 SGS but when I asked my dealer what I'd get on a trade I just about fell over on how generous he was on a '19 M8.
$10,000 difference plus tax and they will include a full Stage 1 ($1569) on a vivid black FLTRX
I am seriously considering it but would be so nervous over the upcoming winter until I can log miles on it if she'll keep oil where it's supposed to be and not sump.

[hogpipes1]

I love my '15 SGS but when I asked my dealer what I'd get on a trade I just about fell over on how generous he was on a '19 M8.
$10,000 difference plus tax and they will include a full Stage 1 ($1569) on a vivid black FLTRX
I am seriously considering it but would be so nervous over the upcoming winter until I can log miles on it if she'll keep oil where it's supposed to be and not sump.

Maybe you can work a deal  with the bike staying there til spring, if you bring your used bike in now . That would start the warranty  when you pick it up.