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Offline Ken R

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Re: Are the new stock 2019 M-8's good enough without engine work?
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2019, 08:50:47 PM »
I sure do thank everyone for their honest opinions and experiences.   :up:

On Friday, I bit the bullet and bought an almost new very low-mileage (like only 1,800) 2019 FLHTK from a dealer in Florida with a huge discount.  The shipper is supposed to pick it up Tuesday or Wednesday with a 3-day delivery time.  They've offered the Extended Warranty for a couple of thousand $$.  I've benefited from the extended warranty on my 2013 to the tune of over $5,000 over the past 5 years; even though I'm fully capable of making all those repairs myself.  In fact, it's in the shop  right now for a new throttle handgrip actuator and a bunch of other stuff that  they diagnosed at the same time. 

I am so accustomed to my yellow/black 2013 but will be putting it up for sale very soon.  I plan to swap some parts between it and the new  motorcycle before selling it.   I'd swap the painted parts if they'd fit . . . but probably few will.  I'm going to miss it. :cry: 

At competitions, the other competitors told me many times that the sidelines filled with spectators when I came to the start line to see the big yellow "full dresser" run the course to compete with the little Road Kings.    And I ate it up.  :SM:

I already know that  I'm going to absolutely hate the hydraulic clutch. :crook: 
I have several options:
1.  Just learn how to deal with the narrow friction zone and hope I can still compete with it.  The cops hate 'em, too.   
2.  Install an AIM hydraulic slave cylinder device to give a wider friction zone and easier clutch effort
3.  Convert it to cable-clutch using the same parts as on some 2019 Softails, a Mueller PowerClutch, etc.  Requires an ECM flash because the cable clutch switch works backwards from  hydraulic.

Don't know which option I'll eventually end up with.  May end up trying all three.

Performance wise, I'm going to leave it stock except for mufflers.  I have a set of CVO mufflers with Fulsac baffles to fit it here in the room with me now.   
I'll be  leaving the rest of the exhaust  system stock  (catalytic converter and all).  There just doesn't seem to be any reason to piddle with it when it already will out-perform my existing  motor which totally satisfies me. 

My three loves in motorcycling are skills practice and coaching, skills competition (to a lesser extent now), and long motorcycle touring/camping in national parks with friends.  We're doing Yellowstone and Grand Tetons for 2 weeks in mid July.  It'll be our second trip up there and my touring buds and I are really looking forward to it. 
I have both a new tent  and now a new motorcycle for the trip; anxious to try both. 

So I'm  planning on thousands of good miles and hours of fun in the cones on the new motor this year with 3 national park camping trips planned and maybe a few competitions. 
This thread was all it took for me to take the plunge and I'm excited.

So I probably won't be lurking in the Twin Cam forum too much any more and will keep constant watch on the Milwaukee Eight technical forum, instead.  It appears that many of my Twin Cam friends are here already.

Ken

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Re: Are the new stock 2019 M-8's good enough without engine work?
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2019, 10:56:11 PM »
I知 a bit late, but I知 going to say no.  I知 on my 6th M8 and none have been left stock.  Aftermarket stage is nice.  Aftermarket stage 3 looks like a ton of fun.  I知 in the middle of installing an aftermarket stage 2 on my 2019 bike now.  Should be running before church starts...

Chris


Edit:  you値l get use to the clutch.  I try to do the advanced MSF course every year or 2.  In 2017, I did it on a H-D stage 3 CVO Street Glide, and in 2018, I did it on and aftermarket stage 2 (107) Road Glide.  Neither were difficult to maneuver.  I spent about a 2 months with each one prior to taking the course so I would be familiar with the way they would react.
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Re: Are the new stock 2019 M-8's good enough without engine work?
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2019, 12:21:02 AM »
I have a 2019 FLHTK also.  The clutch is very touchy and hard to get smooth.  The Throttle Progressivity can be adjusted with a tuner and makes a world of difference.  First M8 Stage 4 117 I rode was very difficult to manage the clutch on starting from stop.  It had been tuned with PV.  Had to soften the throttle table in the 1000 to 2000 from 5 to 20% throttle position.  The clutch is torque sensitive and will actually pull the clutch lever forward for you engaging even more.  It is the clutch itself that causes the sensitivity.  I had a 14 limited with hydraulic and it was smooth on start off. When they changed to A&S on 14 up CVO's and 15 up on some other touring and all in 16 is when started having this issue.  The more torque the engine has the worse it will be unless adjusted in the Progressivity tables.   I looked at a stage 1 map for my bike in Street tuner software and it is adjusted. 
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Re: Are the new stock 2019 M-8's good enough without engine work?
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2019, 07:38:42 AM »
To keep your extended warranty you can稚 put your PowerVision on it, or get a professional tune unless they use the SEST.     Oh yeah, you probably need to limit all your shopping to only HD parts.

I have a 2019 and all I did was replace the mufflers so I could hear it and put on a high flow AC.  I did buy a SEST to keep the extended warranty that I received free as part of the deal.  Did a simple download from the SEST and it runs great.  Yes, it could run better, and it will eventually, but I am happy right now.

The fuel mileage didn稚 suffer any with those mild mods.  You値l get 40-45 mpg at cruise easily.

My biggest complaint with the new bikes is the fans run for about a minute after turning the motor off and they are LOUD! 

All in all I think you値l be very happy with your new bike.

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Re: Are the new stock 2019 M-8's good enough without engine work?
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2019, 09:28:09 AM »
Harley could make a 200hp at the rear wheel bike and people would still want to "hop" them up...human nature...

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Re: Are the new stock 2019 M-8's good enough without engine work?
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2019, 04:43:00 PM »
congratulations Ken  :beer:

mufflers are a nice addition and you've chosen well, do yourself a favor and get it tuned

a few guys are familiar with the HD piece and can help you find a little more power and optimize efficiency

I'm jealous  :smiled:
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Re: Are the new stock 2019 M-8's good enough without engine work?
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2019, 04:57:42 PM »
I知 a bit late, but I知 going to say no. I知 on my 6th M8 and none have been left stock.  Aftermarket stage is nice.  Aftermarket stage 3 looks like a ton of fun.  I知 in the middle of installing an aftermarket stage 2 on my 2019 bike now.  Should be running before church starts...

Chris


I need to know what you do for a living  :teeth:
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Re: Are the new stock 2019 M-8's good enough without engine work?
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2019, 06:15:53 PM »

I have a 2019 and all I did was replace the mufflers so I could hear it and put on a high flow AC.  I did buy a SEST to keep the extended warranty that I received free as part of the deal.  Did a simple download from the SEST and it runs great.  Yes, it could run better, and it will eventually, but I am happy right now.


I guess we'll have to get used to more time in the saddle between fills.  Oh, wait . . . Mikey should need fuel before us.   :SM:

I'm excited about the new motor; even though I wasn't really looking to buy a new one.  I've said it twice before, "This will be my last motorcycle."  :wink:

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Re: Are the new stock 2019 M-8's good enough without engine work?
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2019, 07:07:18 PM »
I've been told that there is something that the tuner can do that makes an after-market tune invisible.  I'll know more within a couple of weeks.

By the way, I'll be removing the tins and having them painted.  Can you guess what color?  :dgust:

To keep your extended warranty you can稚 put your PowerVision on it, or get a professional tune unless they use the SEST.     Oh yeah, you probably need to limit all your shopping to only HD parts.

I have a 2019 and all I did was replace the mufflers so I could hear it and put on a high flow AC.  I did buy a SEST to keep the extended warranty that I received free as part of the deal.  Did a simple download from the SEST and it runs great.  Yes, it could run better, and it will eventually, but I am happy right now.

The fuel mileage didn稚 suffer any with those mild mods.  You値l get 40-45 mpg at cruise easily.

My biggest complaint with the new bikes is the fans run for about a minute after turning the motor off and they are LOUD! 

All in all I think you値l be very happy with your new bike.

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Re: Are the new stock 2019 M-8's good enough without engine work?
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2019, 09:13:57 PM »
I知 a bit late, but I知 going to say no. I知 on my 6th M8 and none have been left stock.  Aftermarket stage is nice.  Aftermarket stage 3 looks like a ton of fun.  I知 in the middle of installing an aftermarket stage 2 on my 2019 bike now.  Should be running before church starts...

Chris


I need to know what you do for a living  :teeth:

I have a sugar momma... :SM:
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Re: Are the new stock 2019 M-8's good enough without engine work?
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2019, 07:01:16 AM »
I知 a bit late, but I知 going to say no. I知 on my 6th M8 and none have been left stock.  Aftermarket stage is nice.  Aftermarket stage 3 looks like a ton of fun.  I知 in the middle of installing an aftermarket stage 2 on my 2019 bike now.  Should be running before church starts...

Chris


I need to know what you do for a living  :teeth:

I have a sugar momma... :SM:

atta boy  :up: :wink:
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Re: Are the new stock 2019 M-8's good enough without engine work?
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2019, 07:22:56 AM »
Congrats on the new bike Ken.  I think you will luv it.