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How rare is a AMF Shovel
« on: September 30, 2017, 05:45:28 AM »
I have a 1972 AMF Harley Davidson  Electra Glide Shovel I purchased last year, how much is she worth?
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2017, 06:00:27 AM »
I have a 1972 AMF Harley Davidson  Electra Glide Shovel I purchased last year, how much is she worth?


There is nothing really special or collectable about that model although IF its factory original untouched (read rare) then you have something just on that but money wise your not going to retire off it. The market is finding someone that wants it and there won't be a long line .post some pic's love to see it :teeth:

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2017, 06:44:46 AM »
Only as much as you can get someone to give you. As above, I agree, to demand a higher payday, it needs to be a rare model, and in original and great shape. My guess is $6,000 to $8,000 is what it's worth, if those are original, not reproduction parts.
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2017, 07:16:04 AM »
if you bought it then someone else will , so its for sure worth what you paid .

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2017, 08:07:42 AM »
That's a great looking bike congrats, although the accessories on it are not indicative of that year. Enjoy it :bike:

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2017, 09:46:47 AM »
The problem with AMF bikes resale is those were troubled times for Harley and people gloss over the advances that were brought forth during that period.... like belt drives, alternators, and disc brakes. What they remember were rushed assembly and even sabotaged bikes that leaked oil and had then them standing on the side of the road. There were a lot of issues in the management vs labor area too.

 Personally I don't think Willie G was exactly carrying the EVO design in his pocket when the company was bought back. I bet he just picked up where someone left off.

 There I go, off track again..  :gob:
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2017, 09:56:38 AM »
In support of the troubled AMF years, they probably did keep HD from befalling the same fate as Indian. They had the cash to keep it afloat even through bad years of bike sales.
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2017, 10:36:24 AM »
In support of the troubled AMF years, they probably did keep HD from befalling the same fate as Indian. They had the cash to keep it afloat even through bad years of bike sales.

I tend to agree with that, and production kept climbing as well. They did grow the brand, despite the problems both real and perceived. Perhaps if they had known how good the Evo was going to be, they would not have sold the company.
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2017, 12:26:28 PM »
AMF's big failing was quality control. They did, as was mentioned already, invest in innovation that is still used to this day. Rubber mounted engines, belt final drive, etc. Under AMF they developed the FX Superglide, the FXR, the FLT, and was working on both Evo engine and the radical Nova project.

Had AMF paid as much attention to quality as they did profits (which go hand in hand), hard to say what HD would be like today. Classic case of greed supplanting good business sense.

Back to the OP's question, how rare is a Shovelhead. Ask yourself, how many of them do you see on the road? Total production is somewhere around 330,00 over 16 years, IIRC. Consider that at the end of the Evo period, they were making 140,000 big twins per year, and now it's like 200,000. More Twin Cams in two years than the entire production of Shovelheads! So yes, in grand scheme, rare indeed. But does that make them valuable or even desirable? All in the eye of the beholder. Like a Chevy Corvair. Which must make me a delusional glutton for punishment. I love 'em both!

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2017, 02:47:24 PM »
un-molested AMF bikes are starting to come up in value... but finding them in stock trim is pretty tough.

remember with out AMF our beloved HD wouldn't exist, guys like our founding owner know and appreciate that!

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2017, 06:16:30 AM »
I will keep my 72 AMF, as she has served me well, I have had ohhhh in the neighborhood of 10-15 newer Harley's 94-up and the Ol 72 resides at the same address for 15 years  :idunno:

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2017, 08:51:01 AM »
Around here you don't even see all that many Evo's on the road anymore! Maybe  they are all parked in someones garage?

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2017, 11:33:52 AM »
I've got a buddy that has a 73 and a 74 FL in complete and unrestored showroom condition. Very low miles on each. He put them in a storage unit in the 80's and they have been there ever since. He believes he is setting on a small gold mine. I don't know if he will live long enough for them to get up to the price he thinks they're worth. I pointed out recently that storage costs have probably already wiped out his profit. I got a scowl back.

Now the same guy has another storage unit with a 57 BelAir 2 dr. hardtop, 283, auto, in it. All original in excellent condition. That one I bet has stayed ahead of storage costs!
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2017, 03:06:32 PM »

Had AMF paid as much attention to quality as they did profits (which go hand in hand), hard to say what HD would be like today. Classic case of greed supplanting good business sense.

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2017, 06:22:27 PM »

Had AMF paid as much attention to quality as they did profits (which go hand in hand), hard to say what HD would be like today. Classic case of greed supplanting good business sense.

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2017, 04:08:24 AM »
Nothing really good, or really bad about the AMF bikes.
If it was not for the deep pockets of AMF, the next on the list was Minneapolis-Moline, which is now gone.
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2017, 11:01:04 PM »
is there anything on a harley thats american made anymore ?

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2017, 02:36:32 AM »
is there anything on a harley thats american made anymore ?

 Me.   :teeth:
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2017, 03:20:01 AM »
is there anything on a harley thats american made anymore ?

 Me.   :teeth:
probably right and all original

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2017, 09:59:54 AM »
is there anything on a harley thats american made anymore ?

 Me.   :teeth:
probably right and all original

I'm definitely not all original anymore, but those replacement parts are USA made.     :wink:

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2017, 06:26:48 AM »
is there anything on a harley thats american made anymore ?

obviously you have never been to the York, KC, Milwaukee, or Tomahawk plants... we have a several places in MN are vendors for HD, including one that does head castings..

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2017, 01:46:44 PM »
is there anything on a harley thats american made anymore ?

obviously you have never been to the York, KC, Milwaukee, or Tomahawk plants... we have a several places in MN are vendors for HD, including one that does head castings..
thats correct.i was just asking.so harleys are assembled in the usa using no imported parts

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2017, 07:47:19 PM »
I own a 72 FL police model, hand shift foot clutch. I brought it home January 1980 from the police auction. 72 is a collectible year, It is the first year of the front disk brake and the last year of the rear hydraulic drum brake. You have the chain and brake on the same side giving the right side a clean look. This front and rear combo of brakes is the ONLY year MoCo had this set up. At a time when changes came slow... it is significant. Right now mine is on the bench, I have other Harleys to ride...but it is my favourite bike to work on. As for value... !0 grand minimum if in good shape and original. The AMF thing...means little now..the one thing you can do however is update the oil pump...S&S is the way to go...there is a small mod you have to do and it's all in the instructions..(a jig, a drill bit)..and your done.

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2017, 04:22:19 PM »
...No exclamation mark intended...value for a pristine FL(H) shovel...minimum 10 grand  :baby:

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2017, 08:18:21 AM »
No need to update the pump.....I have run the OEM cast-iron pump on my 1967 FLH for over 50,000 miles............with an 88" S&S crank/cylinder kit......no issues.
Nothing really "special" about a 1972 FLH, other than it is a 45 year old Harley-Davidson.
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2017, 05:54:39 PM »
..yes sure Scott..nothing special except the braking system and being 45 years old...and off course the grow on trees.... but to plant that tree ya need a shovel :oops:

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2017, 03:44:31 AM »
I agree that they have not made them since 1972.
Not like a 1965 FLH, or a 1957 Pan, 1958 Pan, or a 1966 FLH, or a 1969 FLH, first/last of many significant changes.
1972 FLH is a great nostalgic bike, yes.
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2017, 05:21:00 AM »
I agree that they have not made them since 1972.
Not like a 1965 FLH, or a 1957 Pan, 1958 Pan, or a 1966 FLH, or a 1969 FLH, first/last of many significant changes.
1972 FLH is a great nostalgic bike, yes.

Especially if you were born in 1972!
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2017, 09:03:59 AM »
is there anything on a harley thats american made anymore ?

obviously you have never been to the York, KC, Milwaukee, or Tomahawk plants... we have a several places in MN are vendors for HD, including one that does head castings..
thats correct.i was just asking.so harleys are assembled in the usa using no imported parts

I never said that, of course there are overseas parts  sourced,, hell they have been using showa forks since the 70's. but a major part of the bikes a made right here,, frame, sheet metal, power trains, and many other parts. even the stators are built right in Milwaukee, I've seen the machine that spits them out! I'm sorry but it bothers me when people calim "nothing HD" is make in America.. it's simply not true..

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2017, 02:11:56 PM »
is there anything on a harley thats american made anymore ?

obviously you have never been to the York, KC, Milwaukee, or Tomahawk plants... we have a several places in MN are vendors for HD, including one that does head castings..
thats correct.i was just asking.so harleys are assembled in the usa using no imported parts

I never said that, of course there are overseas parts  sourced,, hell they have been using showa forks since the 70's. but a major part of the bikes a made right here,, frame, sheet metal, power trains, and many other parts. even the stators are built right in Milwaukee, I've seen the machine that spits them out! I'm sorry but it bothers me when people calim "nothing HD" is make in America.. it's simply not true..
good information.just watched megafactories where they showed the making of the v-rod.a great show

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2017, 07:54:31 PM »
I had 3 AMF  Bikes ,  70 FLH ,, 76 FXE, &   80 FLT , Major cross country  trips on the 2 FL  bikes.. Never left me on the side of the rd, and  all my bikes  H-D  or AMF  needed  parts and wrenching .. Nothing like the  BS with the T-  Cams with  shifting Fly wheels or many bad comps yr after yr..    So AMF was ok  by me . but i would not pay extra  for  one  even in mint cond.

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2017, 02:57:29 AM »
When I got my 76 I knew nothing about H-D and this one was 16 years old and worn out. After a lot of fixin there was a hit and run crash and most sheet metal went in the trash. At that point I decided just to make it my bike. I have many old parts and at some point I may go there but I would spend more than it's worth trying to get it back to factory stock.  It would never be all original. I have my eyes set on retirement and unless I win the lottery I am going to get real selective with my funds.
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« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2017, 07:04:37 PM »
Nobody is going to get rich selling a Shovelhead, that's for sure. Might go broke owning one though!
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2017, 02:01:31 AM »
Nobody is going to get rich selling a Shovelhead, that's for sure. Might go broke owning one though!
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2017, 02:40:01 AM »
Nobody is going to get rich selling a Shovelhead, that's for sure. Might go broke owning one though!
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2017, 05:01:40 AM »
..unless you ride every day...and do cross country riding on a regular basis an older shovel will serve you fine. It will keep beer in the fridge and the dog well fed...and hopefully the OL happy...provided you have a backrest.

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2017, 05:27:14 AM »
I agree that they have not made them since 1972.
Not like a 1965 FLH, or a 1957 Pan, 1958 Pan, or a 1966 FLH, or a 1969 FLH, first/last of many significant changes.
1972 FLH is a great nostalgic bike, yes.

Especially if you were born in 1972!

That leaves me waaaay out......lol.
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« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2017, 06:05:41 AM »
is there anything on a harley thats american made anymore ?

obviously you have never been to the York, KC, Milwaukee, or Tomahawk plants... we have a several places in MN are vendors for HD, including one that does head castings..
thats correct.i was just asking.so harleys are assembled in the usa using no imported parts

I never said that, of course there are overseas parts  sourced,, hell they have been using showa forks since the 70's. but a major part of the bikes a made right here,, frame, sheet metal, power trains, and many other parts. even the stators are built right in Milwaukee, I've seen the machine that spits them out! I'm sorry but it bothers me when people calim "nothing HD" is make in America.. it's simply not true..
good information.just watched megafactories where they showed the making of the v-rod.a great show

Jeff, the engineer that is featured in that show is one of my best friends!!

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« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2017, 01:42:52 PM »
is there anything on a harley thats american made anymore ?

obviously you have never been to the York, KC, Milwaukee, or Tomahawk plants... we have a several places in MN are vendors for HD, including one that does head castings..
thats correct.i was just asking.so harleys are assembled in the usa using no imported parts

I never said that, of course there are overseas parts  sourced,, hell they have been using showa forks since the 70's. but a major part of the bikes a made right here,, frame, sheet metal, power trains, and many other parts. even the stators are built right in Milwaukee, I've seen the machine that spits them out! I'm sorry but it bothers me when people calim "nothing HD" is make in America.. it's simply not true..
good information.just watched megafactories where they showed the making of the v-rod.a great show

Jeff, the engineer that is featured in that show is one of my best friends!!
and has a great job.did you buy one

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2017, 03:04:38 PM »
I have a 2003 V-Rod ,, love the bike, does not fit me too well as I am 6'4" and around 250#s.. it is normally ridden by my wife and she can sit on it all day! it really bummer me out when the MOCO discontinued the V-Rod, I understand why they did, but I didn't like it.

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2017, 08:12:39 PM »
it really bummer me out when the MOCO discontinued the V-Rod, I understand why they did, but I didn't like it.

The best engine HD has built to date, IMO. The MoCo just did know what to do with it. A bit more stroke, maybe a few more cubes, different tune and slap it in a bagger.
I am an adult?? When did that happen, and how do I make it stop?!

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« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2017, 06:06:58 AM »
it really bummer me out when the MOCO discontinued the V-Rod, I understand why they did, but I didn't like it.

The best engine HD has built to date, IMO. The MoCo just did know what to do with it. A bit more stroke, maybe a few more cubes, different tune and slap it in a bagger.

I totally agree, one of the other problem is that the VR was never accepted by the "hard Core" riders,, you know the guys that ride 2-3,000 miles a year and have never ridden more that 200 miles in a day. I just would shake my head when these "hard cores" would stand in the showroom and say,, "that's not a Harley, it's a glorified Jap bike"

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« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2017, 08:39:23 AM »
it really bummer me out when the MOCO discontinued the V-Rod, I understand why they did, but I didn't like it.

The best engine HD has built to date, IMO. The MoCo just did know what to do with it. A bit more stroke, maybe a few more cubes, different tune and slap it in a bagger.
While I don't disagree, this engine acceptance would be an issue, just like the Revolution engine was. Baggers are HD's bread and butter and would be like cutting your own throat. Tradition still rules over technology when it comes to sales. Hell, we both know by now the bagger engine should be a solid crank detuned 60* v4, ohc, liquid cooled integrated gearbox in around 180hp out of the box and be EPA legal. So much for tradition. :hyst:
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« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2017, 09:49:24 AM »
Sounds like a Nova!
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2017, 11:15:15 AM »
it really bummer me out when the MOCO discontinued the V-Rod, I understand why they did, but I didn't like it.

The best engine HD has built to date, IMO. The MoCo just did know what to do with it. A bit more stroke, maybe a few more cubes, different tune and slap it in a bagger.
While I don't disagree, this engine acceptance would be an issue, just like the Revolution engine was. Baggers are HD's bread and butter and would be like cutting your own throat. Tradition still rules over technology when it comes to sales. Hell, we both know by now the bagger engine should be a solid crank detuned 60* v4, ohc, liquid cooled integrated gearbox in around 180hp out of the box and be EPA legal. So much for tradition. :hyst:
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2017, 06:15:10 PM »
Motus?
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2017, 07:08:24 PM »
it really bummer me out when the MOCO discontinued the V-Rod, I understand why they did, but I didn't like it.

The best engine HD has built to date, IMO. The MoCo just did know what to do with it. A bit more stroke, maybe a few more cubes, different tune and slap it in a bagger.
While I don't disagree, this engine acceptance would be an issue, just like the Revolution engine was. Baggers are HD's bread and butter and would be like cutting your own throat. Tradition still rules over technology when it comes to sales. Hell, we both know by now the bagger engine should be a solid crank detuned 60* v4, ohc, liquid cooled integrated gearbox in around 180hp out of the box and be EPA legal. So much for tradition. :hyst:
Ron
   The factory should have put out the documentery on the design & making of the Vrod when it FIRST came out , hell they just came out with the NEW motor ( twin cam) and this Vrod comes out of nowhere ,  :oops: , just like the FXRT ,they didn't push to hard on how it was designed .  :oops:

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #47 on: October 15, 2017, 05:23:01 PM »
The V rod engine is indeed kind of cool, I personally never cared much for the chassis though. I think if I was the dictator of Harley-Davidson, the motor would have ended up in a Sportster frame. I suppose some semblance of the engine will live on for a bit in those "Street" models.

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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2017, 04:12:21 AM »
Now there is a thought.
The V-Rod engine in a conventional XL chassis.
Betch'a that would have been a hit.
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2017, 06:49:40 AM »
Now there is a thought.
The V-Rod engine in a conventional XL chassis.
Betch'a that would have been a hit.
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 Except I don't think it would have fit. The Rev motor was just too tall.
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Re: How rare is a AMF Shovel
« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2017, 07:48:15 AM »
That's why they make bigger hammers!

 :SM:

Hey they figured out how to rubber mount a sporty motor in a sporty frame, when there was really no room to do that on the rigid mount frame. Hmm. Maybe I have just figured out my next project....

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