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my bike pee'd on itself
« on: November 09, 2017, 05:39:28 PM »
So I've been out of the country/state for a few weeks coupled with nothing but rain since I returned. The bike has been sitting for about 4-5 weeks.

Went out today to fire it up and it just cranked over for about 7 or 8 secs. No start......again I cranked it for about 7-8 secs....hmm.....then I look down....

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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2017, 05:42:40 PM »
I've had small oil sumping before when sitting for a spell. But never had it puke out oil.....what's worse is that I don't think the crankcase is vented to the intake, the vent hose dumps behind the primary.....and that area is noticeably dry.

Suppose the vent hose is clogged up....

Would the case pressure build up enough to leak somewhere up front? Where? Case seam?

The pool is slightly off center to the right side of the bike. I couldn't find anything above the cam cover with any oil on it. Pretty much the whole bottom of the case is wet.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2017, 05:47:53 PM by SixShooter14 »
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2017, 05:47:57 PM »
I belive it's normal for a bottom vent after sitting awhile.
I feel the need... for twisties with speed.

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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2017, 05:48:22 PM »
Oil filter maybe? Or oil supply hose leaking?
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2017, 05:49:32 PM »
I belive it's normal for a bottom vent after sitting awhile.
but wouldn't it come out the end of the vent hose?

It's certainly possible that the hose is loose or split at the case. I can't see down in there too well at night.
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2017, 05:50:28 PM »
Oil filter maybe? Or oil supply hose leaking?
the filter seal is dry and dusty so I don't think that's it.

I'll give everything a better inspection in the daylight though.
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2017, 05:56:49 PM »
I belive it's normal for a bottom vent after sitting awhile.
but wouldn't it come out the end of the vent hose?

It's certainly possible that the hose is loose or split at the case. I can't see down in there too well at night.

If the oil pump check ball was letting oil into the crankcase, it would expel through the breather hose. But in any event, can't see an oil leak keeping it from starting. Did you check the oil level, is it way down?
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2017, 05:57:58 PM »
Perhaps a false alarm....

A year ago I had a local Indy shop do a 3-hole fluid change and inspect my belt (the one with the little hole in it)

Anyway, I expressed concern then about oil on the rear of the primary and it was from the breather tube...............apparently they cut it shorter and re-routed it down by the trans on the right side.

Sure enough, the end of a fairly new looking hose that didn't used to be there with fresh oil on it and a little wet oily spot on the frame.

Doesn't really explain the bottom of the case looking wet unless it's just that porous? Idk.
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2017, 05:58:41 PM »
I belive it's normal for a bottom vent after sitting awhile.
but wouldn't it come out the end of the vent hose?


Yes
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2017, 06:00:43 PM »
I belive it's normal for a bottom vent after sitting awhile.
but wouldn't it come out the end of the vent hose?

It's certainly possible that the hose is loose or split at the case. I can't see down in there too well at night.

If the oil pump check ball was letting oil into the crankcase, it would expel through the breather hose. But in any event, can't see an oil leak keeping it from starting. Did you check the oil level, is it way down?
I believe the no start is due to it sitting so long. Not the first time it's not wanted to start after sitting for a bit. I don't know if it's a fuel problem or ignition.

It has a Super E carb that has only been ear tuned by my very novice ear.
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2017, 06:01:17 PM »
I belive it's normal for a bottom vent after sitting awhile.
but wouldn't it come out the end of the vent hose?


Yes
and it did......I didn't know they rerouted the vent.
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2017, 06:05:04 PM »

Perhaps a false alarm....

A year ago I had a local Indy shop do a 3-hole fluid change and inspect my belt (the one with the little hole in it)

Anyway, I expressed concern then about oil on the rear of the primary and it was from the breather tube...............apparently they cut it shorter and re-routed it down by the trans on the right side.

Sure enough, the end of a fairly new looking hose that didn't used to be there with fresh oil on it and a little wet oily spot on the frame.

Doesn't really explain the bottom of the case looking wet unless it's just that porous? Idk.


Well, you know it's coming out of the crank case now. Fill the oil tank and start her up, let it all puke out. This winter pull the pump and either lap or cut the seat, and a new check ball and spring.


Or do what everyone will tell you to do, whack the pump check ball seat with a push rod and hammer....    :emoGroan:



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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2017, 06:06:14 PM »

Perhaps a false alarm....

A year ago I had a local Indy shop do a 3-hole fluid change and inspect my belt (the one with the little hole in it)

Anyway, I expressed concern then about oil on the rear of the primary and it was from the breather tube...............apparently they cut it shorter and re-routed it down by the trans on the right side.

Sure enough, the end of a fairly new looking hose that didn't used to be there with fresh oil on it and a little wet oily spot on the frame.

Doesn't really explain the bottom of the case looking wet unless it's just that porous? Idk.


Well, you know it's coming out of the crank case now. Fill the oil tank and start her up, let it all puke out. This winter pull the pump and either lap or cut the seat, and a new check ball and spring.


Or do what everyone will tell you to do, whack the pump check ball seat with a push rod and hammer....    :emoGroan:
I was kinda thinking...stop letting it sit so long.
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2017, 06:27:10 PM »
Don't shoot me But a 1/2 second shot of starting fluid and 1/3qt of 20-50 and she's purring like a pissed off kitten.
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2017, 06:28:57 PM »
Why would I shoot you?

You can always clamp the hose like FSG does on longer storage intervals. 
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2017, 06:49:14 PM »
Just my humble opinion, but...

T'were it be me, I'd look in the oil tank, make sure it's got at least some oil in it, then fire the motor up. Let it run a bit, and pump all the oil in the cases back into the tank. Let it get warm, THEN add any oil needed to fill it up to full.

(don't ask why I would advise to do this...)

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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2017, 07:04:47 PM »
Just my humble opinion, but...

T'were it be me, I'd look in the oil tank, make sure it's got at least some oil in it, then fire the motor up. Let it run a bit, and pump all the oil in the cases back into the tank. Let it get warm, THEN add any oil needed to fill it up to full.

(don't ask why I would advise to do this...)

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to prevent overfilling.....

I added enough to show on the stick then started it. Idled for a good bit and it gained about 1/8th inch on the stick, added another little bit and rose about 10 miles of easy cruising then stopped and checked oil and watched for drips (didn't see any). Then hopped on the interstate for some spirited riding back home.

It's now sitting right on the full line when hot.
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2017, 07:06:57 PM »
Why would I shoot you?

You can always clamp the hose like FSG does on longer storage intervals.
for using starting fluid....most online forums will crucify a sprayer. But then again HTT isn't like most other forums.

Oh, and I'm not sure if clamping would work (not that I didn't think about that when I saw FSG's pic)...the previous owner had all the lines done in steel braid, including those to/from the oil tank.
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2017, 08:17:09 AM »
What? Crucify? Ah boloney. That's like saying one shot of whiskey and you're going straight to hell. A little squirt of ether to get a stubborn motor to fire ain't gonna hurt nuthin. Just don't let it get addicted to it.

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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2017, 08:47:13 AM »
What? Crucify? Ah boloney. That's like saying one shot of whiskey and you're going straight to hell. A little squirt of ether to get a stubborn motor to fire ain't gonna hurt nuthin. Just don't let it get addicted to it.

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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2017, 09:52:04 AM »
Are you still running a stock vacuum petcock? The float bowl may have dried a bit, and the fuel won't flow until it pulls vacuum. I'm not sure if just turning the motor over draws enough vacuum to open the petcock and fill the carb back up.
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2017, 09:54:36 AM »
Are you still running a stock vacuum petcock? The float bowl may have dried a bit, and the fuel won't flow until it pulls vacuum. I'm not sure if just turning the motor over draws enough vacuum to open the petcock and fill the carb back up.
That is the same conclusion I came to.
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2017, 10:00:34 AM »
Time for a Pingel petcock!
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2017, 11:09:07 AM »
Time for a Pingel petcock!
damn, they're proud of them, ain't they.
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2017, 04:16:59 PM »
Time for a Pingel petcock!
damn, they're proud of them, ain't they.

I don't even know what they cost now, mine was almost $80. But I've had mine for 17 years, on and off thousands and thousands of times. Still going strong.
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2017, 08:59:46 PM »
Time for a Pingel petcock!
damn, they're proud of them, ain't they.

I don't even know what they cost now, mine was almost $80. But I've had mine for 17 years, on and off thousands and thousands of times. Still going strong.
I didn't have time to look real hard, but it looks like $120-140ish
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Re: my bike pee'd on itself
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2017, 09:02:47 PM »
Time for a Pingel petcock!
damn, they're proud of them, ain't they.

I don't even know what they cost now, mine was almost $80. But I've had mine for 17 years, on and off thousands and thousands of times. Still going strong.
I didn't have time to look real hard, but it looks like $120-140ish

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