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Offline Carl 1969

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New lifters with cam swap?
« on: December 03, 2017, 11:23:17 AM »
Finally biting the bullet & putting a set of mild cams in my '02 FXD. Bike's only got 22K miles & from what I've read should have the B lifters. Any compelling reason to replace the lifters when I swap cams?

Unmolested (other than slip-ons, a/c & carb tune) TC88 that has seen the rev limiter maybe a 1/2 dozen times in 4 years. I may or may not go to a 95" in the next year or two.

Any advice/tips/caveats would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2017, 12:14:07 PM »
Don't put 22K mile MoCo tappets back on new cams. 

22K is close to just trashing them as they are pulled out.  Spen another $100 and put a new set in.

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2017, 12:15:17 PM »
At 22k I'd change them out.
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2017, 12:25:18 PM »
I left mine in at 8,000.. I lost the fwd ex at about 15,000 then went to Comp Cams V Thunders for about $60.

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2017, 12:34:18 PM »
Did a cam swap on my '04 'bout 80,000mi. ago and used the original lifters. According to some here, those B lifters were the best made.
If it weren't for a busted oil line(oil cooler) about 30,000mi. ago, which  meant loss of oil pressure and what I believed to be more lifter noise, I'd still be using them. I bought a set of C lifters(all the dealer had) to replace those Bs and so far so good. I ride a lot like you do.
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2017, 12:36:14 PM »
I was under the impression that the B lifters were good to go. I don't mind terribly replacing 'em, but not trying to spend money unnecessarily if I can help it.

My initial thoughts were to keep the original lifters for now & upgrade/replace 'em if/when I go to 95" & get the heads cleaned up.
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2017, 01:12:00 PM »
I just put Andrews 48's in my '09 this summer, had 22,000 miles, I reused the -B lifters. It's a mild cam, and this motor isn't getting run hard. If you plan to keep that cam in forever and a lot of miles, I'd maybe look at new lifters, I'd use motorcycle specific lifers. Based on what I know, the advantage is in getting oil sooner to the top end. But that's what I've read, and not seen or tested for myself.

If like me, you will probably be back in there at some point, reuse the -B's for now.
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2017, 02:18:56 PM »
I just put Andrews 48's in my '09 this summer, had 22,000 miles, I reused the -B lifters. It's a mild cam, and this motor isn't getting run hard. If you plan to keep that cam in forever and a lot of miles, I'd maybe look at new lifters, I'd use motorcycle specific lifers. Based on what I know, the advantage is in getting oil sooner to the top end. But that's what I've read, and not seen or tested for myself.

If like me, you will probably be back in there at some point, reuse the -B's for now.
I saw a video from SS I think that showed the oil comparison between the lifter to the top end . The truth is I don't mind spending money on a Harley if it will help it together and not fail . Lifters to me are just maintenance item the way I like to run the engine . When they go bad it generally not pretty .

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2017, 03:33:55 PM »
Changed cams in my 04 RK at 30K miles and reused the original lifters. Still running them at 116K. Maybe it's time to change them with some new -B lifters.

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2017, 03:43:47 PM »
If you could buy them that is    :wink:

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2017, 03:46:00 PM »
25-30K miles is the threshold were I recommend replacement.

Can they farther? Of course.

Saving less than $100 to re-use old lifters...not for me.

Especially when they have close to 25K on them.


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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2017, 03:52:56 PM »
-B Lifters don't fail like the current crop from HD. Not saying they can't, just saying they go lots of miles. Many TC's out there with excess of 75k - 80k with -B's in them.
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2017, 03:59:43 PM »
-B Lifters don't fail like the current crop from HD. Not saying they can't, just saying they go lots of miles. Many TC's out there with excess of 75k - 80k with -B's in them.

I agree and wouldn't go in just to replace them - but if I'm there, new lifters are just too cheap

now if he had 8K miles or something, I wouldn't even consider replacing them as long as they looked good
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2017, 04:13:58 PM »
-B Lifters don't fail like the current crop from HD. Not saying they can't, just saying they go lots of miles. Many TC's out there with excess of 75k - 80k with -B's in them.

I agree and wouldn't go in just to replace them - but if I'm there, new lifters are just too cheap

now if he had 8K miles or something, I wouldn't even consider replacing them as long as they looked good

I'm not even considering the aspect of money. I reused my -B's because they'll hold up.
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2017, 11:54:21 PM »
I was under the impression that the B lifters were good to go. I don't mind terribly replacing 'em, but not trying to spend money unnecessarily if I can help it.

My initial thoughts were to keep the original lifters for now & upgrade/replace 'em if/when I go to 95" & get the heads cleaned up.

   :up:  that'll work just fine
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2017, 03:07:57 AM »
I was under the impression that the B lifters were good to go. I don't mind terribly replacing 'em, but not trying to spend money unnecessarily if I can help it.

My initial thoughts were to keep the original lifters for now & upgrade/replace 'em if/when I go to 95" & get the heads cleaned up.

   :up:  that'll work just fine
-B Lifters don't fail like the current crop from HD. Not saying they can't, just saying they go lots of miles. Many TC's out there with excess of 75k - 80k with -B's in them.

I agree and wouldn't go in just to replace them - but if I'm there, new lifters are just too cheap

now if he had 8K miles or something, I wouldn't even consider replacing them as long as they looked good

I'm not even considering the aspect of money. I reused my -B's because they'll hold up.
Yea, give them a good inspection.

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2017, 04:12:51 AM »
129.00 for a set of S&S standard lifters is a no brainer,you`ll spend WAY more if one of the HD lifters fail

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2017, 04:35:41 AM »
I also wonder about a wear pattern on the lifter roller with 20,000+ miles, will that put an odd wear pattern on the cam? Or, not something to worry about?
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2017, 04:44:55 AM »
Have a set of -B lifters in the tool chest, was waiting for a upper end (95") rebuild to replace them. Since it's running good and year round riding season here in Phoenix, never got around to it.

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2017, 11:53:57 AM »
Ive got bags of take out B lifters if anyones looking for any.i only use S&S

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2017, 04:55:29 PM »
Just had a lifter let go on my 88 1550 S&S heads and so on gear drive 510 took out the cams and the lifter block made a bit of a mess but fixable 85,000ks will fit S&S lifters this time shit happens  :hyst:

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2017, 10:42:53 PM »
Just had a lifter let go on my 88 1550 S&S heads and so on gear drive 510 took out the cams and the lifter block made a bit of a mess but fixable 85,000ks will fit S&S lifters this time shit happens  :hyst:

that pencils out to just over 50K miles   :dgust:
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2017, 12:00:29 AM »
Just had a lifter let go on my 88 1550 S&S heads and so on gear drive 510 took out the cams and the lifter block made a bit of a mess but fixable 85,000ks will fit S&S lifters this time shit happens  :hyst:

But what lifters are they?

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2017, 03:38:19 AM »
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129.00 for a set of S&S standard lifters is a no brainer,you`ll spend WAY more if one of the HD lifters fail
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2017, 02:18:59 PM »
Will find out just picked the bike up not a good start, putting screaming eagle lifters back in it they ok, think they were B lifters in it,so what are u saying 50k miles good or bad for a lifter set.

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2017, 02:33:07 PM »
if it has a 510 geardrive then there's a good chance that they are not the B's

if they are B's then they should have done more

remind us what year this bike is

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2017, 03:05:16 PM »
Will find out just picked the bike up not a good start, putting screaming eagle lifters back in it they ok, think they were B lifters in it,so what are u saying 50k miles good or bad for a lifter set.
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2017, 07:38:21 PM »
"Just Say No" to any HD lifters...SE or otherwise

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2017, 07:56:30 PM »
is this the 2004 S/E glide ?

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2017, 12:53:01 PM »
Bit bloody late now they are in new cams and so on,its a 2001 Dyna super Glide been sitting for 4 years motor is S&S 42 carb it pulls very hard cant see them packing up for a while,the glide is to heavy sick of it falling over all the time this little thing is fun to ride can throw it around talk to u soon will give it a run this weekend hopefully

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2017, 01:26:27 PM »
It'd depend on when that 2001 Dyna Super Glide was upgraded as to what was put in it, were the stock ones reused or something else fitted.
It actually started life with the 18538-99.

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2017, 03:24:16 PM »
Tks will check today the mechanic that did all the work has passed on so don't know what else is in the engine without tearing it down and I ain't going to do that yet so we will see will check with the spanner what was in it not that it matters its all new now .

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2017, 04:47:47 PM »
post some pix of what was left in there we may be able to tell what they were

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2017, 01:44:48 PM »
'Preciate the input, fellas. I'm gonna go ahead & hit up WFOLarry for a set of fresh Hylift-Johnsons for peace of mind.
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« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2017, 04:38:36 PM »
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2017, 05:06:09 PM »
'Preciate the input, fellas. I'm gonna go ahead & hit up WFOLarry for a set of fresh Hylift-Johnsons for peace of mind.

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2017, 05:37:25 PM »
'Preciate the input, fellas. I'm gonna go ahead & hit up WFOLarry for a set of fresh Hylift-Johnsons for peace of mind.

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2017, 06:17:28 PM »
This is gonna be a very mild "build" (downright meek by many of y'all's standards, I expect), but I have a fetish for bulletproof reliability & like to do things right the first time.
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2017, 11:59:39 AM »
What cam you putting in it?
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2017, 01:45:10 PM »
Redshift 511. I went back 'n forth between the the Redshift, Crane 300-2, SE-204 & a couple of others. The Redshift seems to work great at both 88" & 95" & looks like a great fit for my riding style. Torque & roll-on power are king, IMO & the bike is already fast enough to get me in trouble. Just lookin' for quicker passing & bigger grins when whacking the throttle.

The Crane would also be a really good fit, but I want to give the new Redshift design a shot. Plus, I thought it was really cool of them to develop a new grind for the "old" motors. 
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2018, 04:13:35 AM »
I  put  in a  new  cam and 
Lifters  only  had  about  6000 on it one lifter keep needing  to  be  readjusted  mech told  me  that  he tried  a few  different  ones stock  hd work  best even  on  motor  with  a  build , got  a  couple  of  friends  with  over  60 on stock  lifters and  a  cam

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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #41 on: April 22, 2018, 07:48:13 PM »
Finally got the cams in & the bike out for a brief test ride. Cams feel great. Torque everywhere & pulls hard. Nice little lope to the idle as well.

Thanks to all for the tips & advice & a big thank you to both Coff06 for loaning me the inner bearings tool & sprocket locker & to Coyote for sending me a pair of studs & nuts to properly stud my cam plate.
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2018, 09:08:18 AM »
I had that same dilemma when i did a cam swap on my 20k RGU.  The lifters 'looked' ok but when i really started to look at the wheels, they showed witness marking (not unexpected) but also showed some slight pitting.  The pitting resolved my dilemma and got new ones.  Hate to trash a new cam to save a few $'s and definitely don't want to have to go back in later because I did not feel i could trust the old lifters.  Just my $0.02 worth.....
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2018, 03:50:35 PM »
Comp V-Thunder seem to be a good choice, and reasonable price direct from Comp. I am replacing cams, so I always want new rollers with new cams, just worth the additional $70 or so. I have 43k miles on the bike and I hope this is the last time I ever go in the cam chest. $70 is cheap insurance in that case.
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Re: New lifters with cam swap?
« Reply #44 on: April 23, 2018, 03:55:20 PM »
Finally got the cams in & the bike out for a brief test ride. Cams feel great. Torque everywhere & pulls hard. Nice little lope to the idle as well.

Thanks to all for the tips & advice & a big thank you to both Coff06 for loaning me the inner bearings tool & sprocket locker & to Coyote for sending me a pair of studs & nuts to properly stud my cam plate.








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