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« on: December 12, 2017, 04:43:33 PM »
Helping out on a project bike and the guy has a line on a crate T111 for a great price.
I looked at every page in the dyno section and only found two but thanks to our friends at Photo bucket we have no graphs.

Any first hand dyno dyno graphs and build info would be much appreciated,  you can only tell so much from the graphs in the adds. The bike will be a solo ride Dyna for hot rodding around but needs to be able to go out on the road a few times a year when there is time off work.

Also if anyone has done any hot rodding on one after the fact spec and results for that would be great.

I have looked around and it does not appear these were great selllers, there just is not that much info on them other than adds for new ones.

Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2017, 05:18:52 PM »
There was a real cool, honest guy who did a build and eventually went with the 111"-I thought it would be a great motor based on his riding style and goals, and tried to help him along the way.

http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/harley-davidson-fxr/517713-s-s-v111-dyno-results.html
There is also a long thread over there in FXR section on his complete build......
My local shop here in LA has done a few, and the owners absolutely love them for a multi purpose, Swiss Army knife, do it all motor, with great square motor longevity. Tour? Check? A little hot rodding with the boys? Check. Daily driver, do it all? Check.
I have also posted a few sheets here over the years. The S&S haters will of course disagree-
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2017, 05:51:31 PM »
I thought Calgary56 had posted his 111 Dyno sheet.         Coff 06
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Re: S&S T111 Dyno sheets and first hand info needed.
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2017, 06:12:41 PM »
Thanks for the link, it looks like the 585 is fairly exhaust sensitive at low compression.

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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2017, 06:21:11 PM »
Thanks for the link, it looks like the 585 is fairly exhaust sensitive at low compression.
  Its a great engine and I bet it  would be a great candidate for a turbo . Low compression and the extra exhaust duration might be just right  :chop:

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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2017, 06:37:49 PM »
Maybe so but this one in going NA.

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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2017, 06:43:20 PM »
There was a real cool, honest guy who did a build and eventually went with the 111"-I thought it would be a great motor based on his riding style and goals, and tried to help him along the way.

http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/harley-davidson-fxr/517713-s-s-v111-dyno-results.html
There is also a long thread over there in FXR section on his complete build......
My local shop here in LA has done a few, and the owners absolutely love them for a multi purpose, Swiss Army knife, do it all motor, with great square motor longevity. Tour? Check? A little hot rodding with the boys? Check. Daily driver, do it all? Check.
I have also posted a few sheets here over the years. The S&S haters will of course disagree-
Remember, crate they come very, very mild, so can be tailored up based on riding goals-or leave as is, for 80-90% of riders. Very smooth motor...
  the link you posted show results real similar to the 111 that I seen at the shop I go to.  Went 115/126

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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2017, 10:19:23 PM »
talked to the S&S guys at Cincy and asked about a great all-around, affordable motor - he didn't even hesitate and said get the 111
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2017, 05:57:20 AM »
A lot of the FXR guys I know are using the 111". Some guys have had problems but we don't know how they broke them in. There are more positive experiences than negative from what I have heard/read.
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2017, 06:53:10 AM »
I posted one up several years ago now.. HPI t/b and a 2-1-2 ex system . But due to a computer failure + external hard drive glitch I lost some sheets . But its  start .. made good power from what I recall .

It had a piston issue about a year later Nik did the warranty work and re tuned made right at the same power it did up here .. So maybe he posted it as well  :idunno:
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2017, 10:26:51 AM »
I posted one up several years ago now.. HPI t/b and a 2-1-2 ex system . But due to a computer failure + external hard drive glitch I lost some sheets . But its  start .. made good power from what I recall .

It had a piston issue about a year later Nik did the warranty work and re tuned made right at the same power it did up here .. So maybe he posted it as well  :idunno:

Steve yours was one of the threads I found with the Photo bucket problem. they are holding my graphs for randsom as well, to bad you lost your copies I had hoped you would see this and repost.

Was the piston thing a one time deal or is it common on 111's

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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2017, 12:16:36 PM »
I did find out the customers name so I will log into the dyno computer and see if I can find it I think it was pre win 8 so not sure how it will re load
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2017, 01:03:19 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2017, 01:36:48 PM »
I posted one up several years ago now.. HPI t/b and a 2-1-2 ex system . But due to a computer failure + external hard drive glitch I lost some sheets . But its  start .. made good power from what I recall .

It had a piston issue about a year later Nik did the warranty work and re tuned made right at the same power it did up here .. So maybe he posted it as well  :idunno:

Steve yours was one of the threads I found with the Photo bucket problem. they are holding my graphs for randsom as well, to bad you lost your copies I had hoped you would see this and repost.

Was the piston thing a one time deal or is it common on 111's


PM me your email I will send it directly out of the dyno computer will be easier that way .
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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2017, 03:16:57 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2017, 10:08:51 AM »
Bike is 2005 Wide Glide

HP - 127.24   //   TQ - 123.62

Engine is 2016 S&S 111"

Bore: 4.125" X Stroke: 4.125"

Compression: 9.8:1

S&S 585 cams

HPI-58D1-18 Delphi 58mm Throttle Body

HPI-DINJ-2 Injectors; 5.3 grams per second, Provides a fuel delivery rate of 4.3gps (33.3lbs/h)

Open Intake - K&N Round Filter

Bassani Road Rage - 2 into 1 exhaust
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NOTE ; follow the S&S engine Break-In procedure !!

The crank on my S&S T-111" seized, and I mean locked f'n solid while I was bookin' it at about 70 miles/hr, ... only had 23,559 miles on it. When they took off the front cylinder, I could not budge that connecting rod, and I tried yanking on that thing with both hands, ..... locked SOLID.

I do NOT think this was the manufacturer's fault, I think it was the fault on the original dealership that installed my engine, and in all fairness to S&S, they sent me a new engine 5 days after the engine seized.

When I got my original S&S T-111" from th Harley dealership, all I got was my bike back, 60 Dyno miles on the engine, and a dyno sheet (119 tq / 119 hp), no paperwork, no warranty info, nothing.

The "Independent" dealership I am dealing with now, gives me my bike, an S&S Certificate, Warranty Info, and an S&S T-Series Engines Owners Manual, ... that CLEARLY states on pages 4 and 5 how to break in the engine, Step 8 - From, 1,000 miles on: Break-in is complete, enjoy!

I now have 400 easy kilometers (about 250 miles) on the New S&S T-111", ditched the SERT and had them install a ThunerMax tuner.

I have another 750 miles, of incrementally inching the RPM & loads higher until I can haul on it good.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2017, 10:39:34 AM by calgary56 »
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Re: S&S T111 Dyno sheets and first hand info needed.
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2017, 10:09:57 AM »
Bike is 2005 Wide Glide

HP - 127.24   //   TQ - 123.62

Engine is 2016 S&S 111"

Bore: 4.125" X Stroke: 4.125"

Compression: 9.8:1

S&S 585 cams

HPI-58D1-18 Delphi 58mm Throttle Body

HPI-DINJ-2 Injectors; 5.3 grams per second, Provides a fuel delivery rate of 4.3gps (33.3lbs/h)

Open Intake - K&N Round Filter

Bassani B1 - 2 into 1 exhaust
[ Guests cannot view attachments ]

NOTE ; follow the S&S engine Break-In procedure !!

The crank on my S&S T-111" seized, and I mean locked f'n solid while I was bookin' it at about 70 miles/hr, ... only had 23,559 miles on it. When they took off the front cylinder, I could not budge that connecting rod, and I tried yanking on that thing with both hands, ..... locked SOLID.

I do NOT think this was the manufacturer's fault, I think it was the fault on the original dealership that installed my engine, and in all fairness to S&S, they sent me a new engine 5 days after the engine seized.

When I got my original S&S T-111" from th Harley dealership, all I got was my bike back, 60 Dyno miles on the engine, and a dyno sheet (119 tq / 119 hp), no paperwork, no warranty info, nothing.

The "Independent" dealership I am dealing with now, gives me my bike, an S&S Certificate, Warranty Info, and an S&S T-Series Engines Owners Manual, ... that CLEARLY states on pages 4 and 5 how to break in the engine, Step 8 - From, 1,000 miles on: Break-in is complete, enjoy!

I now have 400 easy kilometers (about 250 miles) on the New S&S T-111", ditched the SERT and had them install a ThunerMax tuner.

I have another 750 miles, of incrementally inching the RPM & loads higher until I can haul on it good.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2017, 10:39:55 AM by calgary56 »
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Re: S&S T111 Dyno sheets and first hand info needed.
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2017, 03:39:13 PM »
I'll see if I can dig up the sheet but did one for a bro here. 14 SG, 1st gen Dragula w/ a 2.55 baffle, SE58MM and 5.3s. 126/124 if I remember right.
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2017, 04:35:01 PM »
Thanks to all that have posted so far, this ia good info.

m1marty
thanks for taking the time to look for the sheet for us.

calgary56
Looks like you had a time of it, hope it contunues to go well from now on and thanks for your graphs as well.

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Re: S&S T111 Dyno sheets and first hand info needed.
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2017, 09:18:58 PM »
Here is one we did a few years ago, still running strong today, about 30k on it now.

http://harleytechtalk.com/index.php?topic=87252.msg990679#msg990679

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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2017, 02:20:06 AM »
Here is one we did a few years ago, still running strong today, about 30k on it now.

http://harleytechtalk.com/index.php?topic=87252.msg990679#msg990679


Your thread was one of the ones I found that had no gragh, could you repost the dyno run for us?
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2017, 01:08:26 PM »
Here is one we did a few years ago, still running strong today, about 30k on it now.

http://harleytechtalk.com/index.php?topic=87252.msg990679#msg990679


Your thread was one of the ones I found that had no gragh, could you repost the dyno run for us?
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I added the dyno to the end of that thread....

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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2017, 06:11:47 PM »
Here is one we did a few years ago, still running strong today, about 30k on it now.

http://harleytechtalk.com/index.php?topic=87252.msg990679#msg990679


Your thread was one of the ones I found that had no gragh, could you repost the dyno run for us?
Thanks


I added the dyno to the end of that thread....


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Looks to make decent power and tq.

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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2017, 01:23:15 PM »
2006 bagger S&S head pipe rusher mufflers and HPI 55 t/b



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« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2017, 01:59:17 PM »
2006 bagger S&S head pipe rusher mufflers and HPI 55 t/b



dynorunShare_0 by GMR Performance, on Flickr

Now THIS has a nice Torque Curve, 2,500 RPM and already over 100 hp, WTF did they do to mine, have to be up mid-to-high 3's to get that kind of TQ ?
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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2017, 02:33:11 PM »


Now THIS has a nice Torque Curve, 2,500 RPM and already over 100 hp, WTF did they do to mine, have to be up mid-to-high 3's to get that kind of TQ ?
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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2017, 07:16:27 PM »


Now THIS has a nice Torque Curve, 2,500 RPM and already over 100 hp, WTF did they do to mine, have to be up mid-to-high 3's to get that kind of TQ ?

You need to take it to the coast and see Lonewolf (Russel) for a proper tune. I am convinced no one knows how to really tune here in Alberta.  Bob
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I always hate to tell a guy with a fresh dyno sheet that he needs a tune but I have to agree with FXDBI on this one.

Steve, thanks for digging that up and posting it, looks like low to mid 120's square it the number on the 111s.

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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2017, 08:48:24 PM »
Guess I'd best get my ass out to the Left Coast to see Russel, I hope he deals with ThunderMax, 'cause that's what the old girl is running now, was sick of paying for crappy tunes ever time I changed exhaust (stock, SE Baloney Cut, Thunderheader, Bassani Road Rage, Bassani B1, ... Thundeheader being my favourite, think I'll go back to that when this B1 wears out).

The Dude has a 55mm T/B, to my 58 mm T/B, that's 264.08 FEWER square millimeters of area flow, yet he cracks 100 lbs/tq @ 2,300 rpm where mine is down around 60 ft/lbs and I have to spin an extra 1,000 rpm to match it, and to boot, he has a TQ curve that looks as flat as the top of Devils Tower .... I don't think asking for 100 ft/bs at 3,000 is too much to ask.
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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2017, 08:51:59 PM »
 What are the cams, heads and compression in the GMR example?
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« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2017, 09:10:55 PM »
What are the cams, heads and compression in the GMR example?

Not sure, all the post said was "2006 bagger S&S head pipe rusher mufflers and HPI 55 t/b ", but the original request was for S&S 111" dyno charts, so I can't see it being too much different from stock.
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« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2017, 10:32:32 PM »
Guess I'd best get my ass out to the Left Coast to see Russel, I hope he deals with ThunderMax, 'cause that's what the old girl is running now, was sick of paying for crappy tunes ever time I changed exhaust (stock, SE Baloney Cut, Thunderheader, Bassani Road Rage, Bassani B1, ... Thundeheader being my favourite, think I'll go back to that when this B1 wears out).

The Dude has a 55mm T/B, to my 58 mm T/B, that's 264.08 FEWER square millimeters of area flow, yet he cracks 100 lbs/tq @ 2,300 rpm where mine is down around 60 ft/lbs and I have to spin an extra 1,000 rpm to match it, and to boot, he has a TQ curve that looks as flat as the top of Devils Tower .... I don't think asking for 100 ft/bs at 3,000 is too much to ask.

http://www.lonewolfperformance.ca/services.html

E-Mail him and discuss it not sure on Thundermax.   Bob

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« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2017, 10:35:31 PM »
What are the cams, heads and compression in the GMR example?

should be S&S585
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« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2017, 05:15:03 AM »
What are the cams, heads and compression in the GMR example?


Not sure, all the post said was "2006 bagger S&S head pipe rusher mufflers and HPI 55 t/b ", but the original request was for S&S 111" dyno charts, so I can't see it being too much different from stock.



Here is the original Dyno section thread that I asked him about, I believe the graph here is the one missing from that thread,
http://harleytechtalk.com/index.php?topic=77964.msg862101#msg862101

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« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2017, 05:21:49 AM »
Guess I'd best get my ass out to the Left Coast to see Russel, I hope he deals with ThunderMax, 'cause that's what the old girl is running now, was sick of paying for crappy tunes ever time I changed exhaust (stock, SE Baloney Cut, Thunderheader, Bassani Road Rage, Bassani B1, ... Thundeheader being my favourite, think I'll go back to that when this B1 wears out).

The Dude has a 55mm T/B, to my 58 mm T/B, that's 264.08 FEWER square millimeters of area flow, yet he cracks 100 lbs/tq @ 2,300 rpm where mine is down around 60 ft/lbs and I have to spin an extra 1,000 rpm to match it, and to boot, he has a TQ curve that looks as flat as the top of Devils Tower .... I don't think asking for 100 ft/bs at 3,000 is too much to ask.

Think a minute about your statement,

If the Thundermax (or any self tuner) really did a proper job of self tuning for power you would not need to go to Lonewolf or GMR to get a tune. Any time you change things on your exhaust or engine combo your self tune graph will go back to looking like the one you posted not like the one GMR or Lonewolf will get you.

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« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2017, 05:58:34 AM »
Guess I'd best get my ass out to the Left Coast to see Russel, I hope he deals with ThunderMax, 'cause that's what the old girl is running now, was sick of paying for crappy tunes ever time I changed exhaust (stock, SE Baloney Cut, Thunderheader, Bassani Road Rage, Bassani B1, ... Thundeheader being my favourite, think I'll go back to that when this B1 wears out).

The Dude has a 55mm T/B, to my 58 mm T/B, that's 264.08 FEWER square millimeters of area flow, yet he cracks 100 lbs/tq @ 2,300 rpm where mine is down around 60 ft/lbs and I have to spin an extra 1,000 rpm to match it, and to boot, he has a TQ curve that looks as flat as the top of Devils Tower .... I don't think asking for 100 ft/bs at 3,000 is too much to ask.

Think a minute about your statement,

If the Thundermax (or any self tuner) really did a proper job of self tuning for power you would not need to go to Lonewolf or GMR to get a tune. Any time you change things on your exhaust or engine combo your self tune graph will go back to looking like the one you posted not like the one GMR or Lonewolf will get you.

Sorry to highjack your original thread and get a tad off-topic ...

"Think a minute about your statement" ... Oh, I've thought about it for a lot longer than a minute ... the original S&S 111" ran with the 119hp/119tq tune for 26,466 kilometers (16,438 miles), then when it blew the baffles out of the Bassani Road Rage it went another 11,464 kilometers (7,120 miles) with the Bassani B1 and 127hp/124tq tune before it became an expensive paperweight.

I fully expect the ThunderMax to do a good job at self tuning (of course, I also expected the same thing from the Twat Waffles who worked at the Harley dealership as well), and would be thrilled if I made it to a Lonewolf or GMR and they said "She's running damned good, doesn't need a thing", .... but in all reality, I expect something like "Pretty damned close, but with a few fine adjustments, she'll be damned near perfect"

Do I need the Nth degree of hp/tq out of this engine, with my riding style, where, who with, and how long I ride, no, I spend the majority of my time riding solo at 110 -120 kph (68 - 75 mph), .... most times I don't even know the engine isn't tuned properly, until those few times I want to act like an axeh0le and chase down a rice-rocket or Indian and have to kick her down a gear, sometimes 2, to get any decent acceleration.

Anyway, we're in the crappy riding season now, so it'll be at least 6 months before I can plan on riding it any distance for a decent tune .... I hate winter !
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« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2017, 06:07:37 AM »
Guess I'd best get my ass out to the Left Coast to see Russel, I hope he deals with ThunderMax, 'cause that's what the old girl is running now, was sick of paying for crappy tunes ever time I changed exhaust (stock, SE Baloney Cut, Thunderheader, Bassani Road Rage, Bassani B1, ... Thundeheader being my favourite, think I'll go back to that when this B1 wears out).

The Dude has a 55mm T/B, to my 58 mm T/B, that's 264.08 FEWER square millimeters of area flow, yet he cracks 100 lbs/tq @ 2,300 rpm where mine is down around 60 ft/lbs and I have to spin an extra 1,000 rpm to match it, and to boot, he has a TQ curve that looks as flat as the top of Devils Tower .... I don't think asking for 100 ft/bs at 3,000 is too much to ask.

Think a minute about your statement,

If the Thundermax (or any self tuner) really did a proper job of self tuning for power you would not need to go to Lonewolf or GMR to get a tune. Any time you change things on your exhaust or engine combo your self tune graph will go back to looking like the one you posted not like the one GMR or Lonewolf will get you.

Sorry to highjack your original thread and get a tad off-topic ...

"Think a minute about your statement" ... Oh, I've thought about it for a lot longer than a minute ... the original S&S 111" ran with the 119hp/119tq tune for 26,466 kilometers (16,438 miles), then when it blew the baffles out of the Bassani Road Rage it went another 11,464 kilometers (7,120 miles) with the Bassani B1 and 127hp/124tq tune before it became an expensive paperweight.

I fully expect the ThunderMax to do a good job at self tuning (of course, I also expected the same thing from the Twat Waffles who worked at the Harley dealership as well), and would be thrilled if I made it to a Lonewolf or GMR and they said "She's running damned good, doesn't need a thing", .... but in all reality, I expect something like "Pretty damned close, but with a few fine adjustments, she'll be damned near perfect"

Do I need the Nth degree of hp/tq out of this engine, with my riding style, where, who with, and how long I ride, no, I spend the majority of my time riding solo at 110 -120 kph (68 - 75 mph), .... most times I don't even know the engine isn't tuned properly, until those few times I want to act like an axeh0le and chase down a rice-rocket or Indian and have to kick her down a gear, sometimes 2, to get any decent acceleration.

Anyway, we're in the crappy riding season now, so it'll be at least 6 months before I can plan on riding it any distance for a decent tune .... I hate winter !

My point was/is if you have the Tmax so you can change things and not tune do not waste time and money going to a good dyno tuner. The minute you change something the real tune is gone.

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Re: S&S T111 Dyno sheets and first hand info needed.
« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2017, 06:08:23 AM »
What are the cams, heads and compression in the GMR example?

It is a 111 Crate engine . And it was crusher mufflers ha ha .
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