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Re: S&S 100"/110" AVAILABILITY
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2017, 01:21:30 PM »
I'd like to buy a set of 4" cylinders myself...  :pop:

S&S any less expensive than Harley?

I think I paid $929 for the S&S "Sidewinder" 110" kit online. You could probably look around and find the H-D kit for the same or a little less, but IIRC the H-D kit comes with flat top cast pistons that have pretty small valve reliefs in them. The "current" S&S kits come with forged CP/Carillo pistons with big valve reliefs and a net .75cc dome, which makes the S&S kit the better deal for me.

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Re: S&S 100"/110" AVAILABILITY
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2017, 02:22:34 PM »
I'd like to buy a set of 4" cylinders myself...  :pop:

S&S any less expensive than Harley?

I think I paid $929 for the S&S "Sidewinder" 110" kit online. You could probably look around and find the H-D kit for the same or a little less, but IIRC the H-D kit comes with flat top cast pistons that have pretty small valve reliefs in them. The "current" S&S kits come with forged CP/Carillo pistons with big valve reliefs and a net .75cc dome, which makes the S&S kit the better deal for me.

HD kit comes with forged Mahale 10.25/1 pistons that are coated and have Teflon on the skirts and reliefs for the 110 head valves. Also has all the gaskets to do a in frame install. Bob

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« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2017, 02:48:44 PM »
 the official release of stopping production...with part #'s

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Re: S&S 100"/110" AVAILABILITY
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2017, 09:30:23 PM »
I'd like to buy a set of 4" cylinders myself...  :pop:

S&S any less expensive than Harley?

I think I paid $929 for the S&S "Sidewinder" 110" kit online. You could probably look around and find the H-D kit for the same or a little less, but IIRC the H-D kit comes with flat top cast pistons that have pretty small valve reliefs in them. The "current" S&S kits come with forged CP/Carillo pistons with big valve reliefs and a net .75cc dome, which makes the S&S kit the better deal for me.

HD kit comes with forged Mahale 10.25/1 pistons that are coated and have Teflon on the skirts and reliefs for the 110 head valves. Also has all the gaskets to do a in frame install. Bob
You may indeed be right about the Mahle pistons. Don't know where I got the idea they were cast. With that said, the S&S kits also have everything needed to install.

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Re: S&S 100"/110" AVAILABILITY
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2017, 10:23:10 PM »
I'd like to buy a set of 4" cylinders myself...  :pop:

S&S any less expensive than Harley?

I think I paid $929 for the S&S "Sidewinder" 110" kit online. You could probably look around and find the H-D kit for the same or a little less, but IIRC the H-D kit comes with flat top cast pistons that have pretty small valve reliefs in them. The "current" S&S kits come with forged CP/Carillo pistons with big valve reliefs and a net .75cc dome, which makes the S&S kit the better deal for me.

HD kit comes with forged Mahale 10.25/1 pistons that are coated and have Teflon on the skirts and reliefs for the 110 head valves. Also has all the gaskets to do a in frame install. Bob
You may indeed be right about the Mahle pistons. Don't know where I got the idea they were cast. With that said, the S&S kits also have everything needed to install.

Well unless the kit I have sitting here is the only one they made with Mahale pistons that's what comes in them.  Bob

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Re: S&S 100"/110" AVAILABILITY
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2017, 09:39:06 AM »
I'd like to buy a set of 4" cylinders myself...  :pop:

S&S any less expensive than Harley?

I think I paid $929 for the S&S "Sidewinder" 110" kit online. You could probably look around and find the H-D kit for the same or a little less, but IIRC the H-D kit comes with flat top cast pistons that have pretty small valve reliefs in them. The "current" S&S kits come with forged CP/Carillo pistons with big valve reliefs and a net .75cc dome, which makes the S&S kit the better deal for me.

HD kit comes with forged Mahale 10.25/1 pistons that are coated and have Teflon on the skirts and reliefs for the 110 head valves. Also has all the gaskets to do a in frame install. Bob
You may indeed be right about the Mahle pistons. Don't know where I got the idea they were cast. With that said, the S&S kits also have everything needed to install.

Well unless the kit I have sitting here is the only one they made with Mahale pistons that's what comes in them.  Bob

Whoa there, no need to be defensive. I'm agreeing with you. I did some research, and the H-D kits I found reference to all come with forged pistons. None of the sources I
found specified the piston manufacturer, but it's safe to assume Mahle since that's what came with your kit. I was mistaken.

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« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2017, 10:34:02 AM »

Well unless the kit I have sitting here is the only one they made with Mahale pistons that's what comes in them.  Bob
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Whoa there, no need to be defensive. I'm agreeing with you. I did some research, and the H-D kits I found reference to all come with forged pistons. None of the sources I
found specified the piston manufacturer, but it's safe to assume Mahle since that's what came with your kit. I was mistaken.
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Wasn't ment to be defensive was confiriming what they were. I also counldnt find any info before I purchased the kit. In fact the dealer here didn't even know there was a drop on 110 kit that was pistons and jugs only. They only knew about the 110 shredder kit. Hopefully soon I will get the old engine out and get after it.  Bob

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Re: S&S 100"/110" AVAILABILITY
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2017, 08:21:53 AM »
It is interesting that they used the same liner material. When these steel lined cylinders were first released from HD I questioned the fact HD used the same piston rings and end gaps as their other 110's in cast lined cylinders. When S&S released their kits they stated they used rings designed for these cylinders and recommended much larger ring gaps.

I do not doubt for a minute that HD had a hand in stopping production, it will be interesting to see the S&S work around and how well the new rushed to production parts will be.
Exactly my thoughts. They pull the parts in December and have a "new and improved" cylinder already in production for February release?

Things that make you go Hmmm.

S&S is a great company and I for one hope that they have it figured out.

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Re: S&S 100"/110" AVAILABILITY
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2017, 09:07:20 AM »
They figured out a way around the 3 stage oil pump didn't they?
This isn't the first time the MOCO put the squeeze on them & I'm sure it won't be the last.

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« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2017, 09:24:47 AM »
It is interesting that they used the same liner material. When these steel lined cylinders were first released from HD I questioned the fact HD used the same piston rings and end gaps as their other 110's in cast lined cylinders. When S&S released their kits they stated they used rings designed for these cylinders and recommended much larger ring gaps.

I do not doubt for a minute that HD had a hand in stopping production, it will be interesting to see the S&S work around and how well the new rushed to production parts will be.
Exactly my thoughts. They pull the parts in December and have a "new and improved" cylinder already in production for February release?

Things that make you go Hmmm.

S&S is a great company and I for one hope that they have it figured out.

They figured out a way around the 3 stage oil pump didn't they?
This isn't the first time the MOCO put the squeeze on them & I'm sure it won't be the last.


I agree the work around will come. I only hope that in an effort to compete with a MoCo that rushes unverified products to market they do not fall into the very same pitfall.

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I had been working on a bolt on 100" plan for my 05 and was attempting to order these cylinders last week when I ran into this all. Now I will have to re think but the new heads are already in the works at Vic's
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Re: S&S 100"/110" AVAILABILITY
« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2017, 04:07:15 PM »
Who does Fuel Moto get their drop in cylinders from?

https://www.fuelmotousa.com/i-23897232-fuel-moto-110-outlaw-big-bore-kit.html
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Re: S&S 100"/110" AVAILABILITY
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2017, 05:58:16 PM »
Who does Fuel Moto get their drop in cylinders from?

https://www.fuelmotousa.com/i-23897232-fuel-moto-110-outlaw-big-bore-kit.html

I have heard they were S&S, but I haven't confirmed.

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« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2017, 05:59:39 PM »
Who does Fuel Moto get their drop in cylinders from?

https://www.fuelmotousa.com/i-23897232-fuel-moto-110-outlaw-big-bore-kit.html

I have heard they were S&S, but I haven't confirmed.

I suspected they probably were. I was just curious if there was maybe a third OEM of drop in cylinders.
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Re: S&S 100"/110" AVAILABILITY
« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2017, 06:01:42 PM »
Who does Fuel Moto get their drop in cylinders from?

https://www.fuelmotousa.com/i-23897232-fuel-moto-110-outlaw-big-bore-kit.html

I have heard they were S&S, but I haven't confirmed.


It is a S&S kit not anything I was told I had a customer but one I did the install. Heck itís in the SS box.
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Re: S&S 100"/110" AVAILABILITY
« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2017, 06:38:35 AM »
as for being rushed to production and pitfalls and some of the others items posted.. Lets just stop and think about this for a second.

S&S did the same testing on the new kit as the old kit. It passed that and in fact did better than the previous kit . SO the sky is not falling testing was done,

As for rushing that would assume that the this just happened ??  Maybe the letter was sent some time ago and it gave them much more time to get a new liner made .. Or maybe the company that makes the HD liner and the S&S is a  MONSTER company that makes more liners for OEM and after market than all others put together ??

Just pointing out that I feel the post is taking on a negative "light"  by some with comments that have zero  merit .
 
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« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2017, 08:14:23 AM »
as for being rushed to production and pitfalls and some of the others items posted.. Lets just stop and think about this for a second.

S&S did the same testing on the new kit as the old kit. It passed that and in fact did better than the previous kit . SO the sky is not falling testing was done,

As for rushing that would assume that the this just happened ??  Maybe the letter was sent some time ago and it gave them much more time to get a new liner made .. Or maybe the company that makes the HD liner and the S&S is a  MONSTER company that makes more liners for OEM and after market than all others put together ??

Just pointing out that I feel the post is taking on a negative "light" by some with comments that have zero  merit .
I wouldn't say that the comments have zero merit, the time element is what I was questioning..You or anyone else doesn't know for sure when this alleged cease production letter was sent, we also don't know for sure how much testing was done on the replacement cylinders that are coming down the pike.

As I said, I hope they have it figured out, which they probably do, I was only pointing out the obvious and stating my opinion.

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« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2017, 09:40:33 AM »

 I agree the work around will come. I only hope that in an effort to compete with a MoCo that rushes unverified products to market they do not fall into the very same pitfall.

If the same testing was done on this new item as the old one would that be enough ??  As I know that the same testing was in fact done.. 

it was not pointed at anyone directly.

Its my opinion as a shop that has built 39 of these kit this year alone. Not one failure , with one being heavily boosted as well .

So If S&S tells me that the testing is good then I am good with that.  i am not going to post about " what ifs" when in fact who cares when the letter was sent .  Bottom line S&S has a testing procedure  that they follow . They have done the testing.  :up:


Added to this as well I have used the SE kits and tuned over a few dozen of the same kits and they have run very well and I have seen no failure there either .   Hence the zero merit .. at least that is how I read it ..   I see it as this product ( the bolt on kit )  as that is what we are talking about right ??
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« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2017, 09:59:03 AM »
Steve my comment was not an accusation but rather a legitimate concern. We see this in many companies today, not always because of time constraints but sometimes just testing on the customers and no company is totally exempt.
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« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2017, 10:03:29 AM »
Ok I get that no issues on my end , just wanting to state about the testing
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« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2017, 11:47:24 AM »
It is interesting that they used the same liner material. When these steel lined cylinders were first released from HD I questioned the fact HD used the same piston rings and end gaps as their other 110's in cast lined cylinders. When S&S released their kits they stated they used rings designed for these cylinders and recommended much larger ring gaps.

I do not doubt for a minute that HD had a hand in stopping production, it will be interesting to see the S&S work around and how well the new rushed to production parts will be.
Exactly my thoughts. They pull the parts in December and have a "new and improved" cylinder already in production for February release?

Things that make you go Hmmm.

S&S is a great company and I for one hope that they have it figured out.

They figured out a way around the 3 stage oil pump didn't they?
This isn't the first time the MOCO put the squeeze on them & I'm sure it won't be the last.


I agree the work around will come. I only hope that in an effort to compete with a MoCo that rushes unverified products to market they do not fall into the very same pitfall.

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I had been working on a bolt on 100" plan for my 05 and was attempting to order these cylinders last week when I ran into this all. Now I will have to re think but the new heads are already in the works at Vic's

why not just use SE cylinders? they seem to be working very well
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Re: S&S 100"/110" AVAILABILITY
« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2017, 12:09:42 PM »
100 kit is only SS  :emsad:
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« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2017, 12:14:39 PM »
100 kit is only SS  :emsad:

Couldn't he use 110 drop in cylinders?

He'll only get 100" because of his shorter 4" stroke but I would think it should work?

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« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2017, 12:19:40 PM »
No the 110 Drop on cylinders are slightly longer and the early case is not machined down far enough .. I have done several 88 inch engines to 110 and just did a 2004 103 SE bike to 110 also. The case needs to be opened up a bit.. If you look at the S&S instructions to states this and shows a picture I do believe of the difference
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Re: S&S 100"/110" AVAILABILITY
« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2017, 12:23:39 PM »
on another note I would add the 4 3/8 crank and the 110 kit  :up:  on the 88 incher HA HA simple enough  and its a great increase in CI .. set of 06+ style heads and you have 110 Hp and 120 tq with stock heads ACR if you wanted . 620 lift springs etc  .

but then its a good chunk of change also

I have done 4 of the 100 inch SS kits one with the 570 cam the others the 585 cam all ran very well made very nice numbers also

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« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2017, 12:28:33 PM »
No the 110 Drop on cylinders are slightly longer and the early case is not machined down far enough .. I have done several 88 inch engines to 110 and just did a 2004 103 SE bike to 110 also. The case needs to be opened up a bit.. If you look at the S&S instructions to states this and shows a picture I do believe of the difference

cool, thanks for the info  :up: :up:

could the 110 spigots be cut shorter?  :pop:
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