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Offline Big Dave

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Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« on: December 23, 2017, 09:00:20 AM »
Ist post after intro . I have the bike on the lift for winter maintenance and cleaning , replaced front and rear wheel bearings and removed exhaust

Removed the cam cover to check the cam shoes the front one looks ok but cant really see the back one . Now if i go any deeper im going to change the cams

reading the dyno chart section i find a few 48's which i like but didnt see any with the Woods 222 or the 570's ,

Are the 48's still the go-to cam for heavy touring bikes with 2 up mountain roads

Right now bike is stock 96" with V&H Monster ovals an air cleaner off a 103HO and a power vision ,48,000 miles

Grateful for any guidance

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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2017, 09:04:10 AM »
There's of course more than one set of cams that will make your bike run better. I did use Andrews 48's in two different 96" motors I owned. One I street tuned, and it ran decent. The last one I had professionally tuned, and it's outstanding. So as a part of the upgrade, I would try to have it dyno tuned as well.

The before and after dyno is of a canned Power Vision map, vs. the dyno tune.


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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2017, 09:10:37 AM »
Thanks , Your was one of the first ones i checked and it looks like a good pulling cam

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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2017, 09:39:34 AM »
You don't say what model but if you are using monster rounds it must be a decker. Check out the CycleRama cams that Durwood has posted recently too. He has explained which works best if you are just doing cams (not heads or going 103 too). You are way closer than I am to one of the top tuners in the country (or continent) at Lone Wolf on the Island and as you know, the tune will bring all that is there out and give you a big smile for the dollar spent.


 :oops:   I just noticed the model is in the title.  :embarrassed:
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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2017, 09:56:31 AM »
If your just doing cams you want to pick a cam that increases your ccp with the stock 96. You want to also consider starting with the pressure increase. S&S easy starts in your bagger 583es would work quite well. Go to big boyz and play with the calculator and some cams. Don't over cam it or use a high rpm cam you will lose all your bottom end torque. Bob

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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2017, 10:00:19 AM »
As mentioned, Russel would be an excellent choice to have tune your bike. As well he can give you is impressions of cams he's used. In the end, the guy doing the tuning should be consulted.

Russel is a great guy, and knows his stuff.




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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2017, 10:03:45 AM »
As mentioned, Russel would be an excellent choice to have tune your bike. As well he can give you is impressions of cams he's used. In the end, the guy doing the tuning should be consulted.

Russel is a great guy, and knows his stuff.


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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2017, 11:42:50 AM »
The tune is probably the most important thing above all else. (No matter what parts you select)
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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2017, 04:37:41 PM »
Can't miss with Andrews 48's or SE255's in a 96"

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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2017, 05:40:20 PM »
Don't mean to hijack thread, but what could I expect from a Fueling 574G in an 09 Ultra? Bike is basically stock: S&S Power Duels with Rinehart 4" slip-ons; Boyesen Intake; and ThunderMax. Not planning on headwork or anything else, just cam swap from S&S 501 G to Fueling 574G
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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2017, 05:44:45 PM »
574 is way to much cam for a stock 96 inch motor.
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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2017, 05:47:17 PM »
not according to Fueling web site, but can't always believe advert. what would make it too much for stock 96?
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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2017, 05:57:43 PM »
The cam timing and duration of the cams are not in line for a stock compression 96" motor. I'm not stopping you, if Fueling said do it, that's up to you.
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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2017, 06:22:33 PM »
I will take tried and true advice over advertised info any day.  Thanks for your input and I will skip the Fueling 574
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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2017, 07:29:00 PM »
I have done a lot of cam swaps in the 96 motor over the last few years. For cheap you can use the SE255's.  For a bit more the 48 always works great as does the S&S 551 (don't need the easy start) Another great cam is the Comp 3101 and they can be had for a great price.
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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2017, 07:46:20 PM »
Ordered the 48H today with new S&S lifters , cam bearings and gaskets

Will be a week or so but will report what Happens

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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2017, 07:48:40 PM »
You can't go wrong with the 48's in a stock 96" motor. They do best when dyno tuned, they're one of the better choices.
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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2017, 07:49:02 PM »
I don't know if they are even available anymore but I put SE204's in my 96. Ran well for a cam and tune only swap. 
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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2017, 09:01:46 PM »
not according to Fueling web site, but can't always believe advert. what would make it too much for stock 96?
A local long time Indy recommended Feuling 574 cams to my friend, (which is his friend).
The mechanic said they’d work great in his stock 96” Ultra, when coupled with Rush true duals and Cobra Tuner.
We did many comparison roll ons with my Rushmore (PV map from FuelMoto), and you may or may not believe me but it was comical on how far back he was in mere seconds. A speck in my mirrors.
The Indy should close his shop for recommendations like that.
I wish my friend asked me because at the time, (Cyclerama 570 weren’t out), I would’ve said the far cheaper Andrews 48
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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2017, 07:48:57 AM »
Was really surprised how clean the inside of this motor is

How do you attach pictures ?

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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2017, 03:20:01 AM »
48, or CR .570.
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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2017, 04:07:51 PM »
I have an 2008 96ci dyna, and last winter I decided to do cams as well.  I ended up getting a set of take-off SE255 from here on HTT.  I couldn't be happier with them, they really provided some nice low end-mid end torque, especially for the price!

The bike also had SE high air intake and Vance & Hines Big Shots. 
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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2017, 06:00:04 PM »
It was a toss-up for the 48H and the SE255's I'm sure ill be happy with the 48's  :scoot:

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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2017, 06:35:29 AM »
unfortunately for me the 48 does not come gear driven. prefer an andrews cam, but will probably go with SnS 551G
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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2017, 10:18:27 AM »
Check your crank run out before you order gear drives.  Very rarely i see a late twin cam with less than .005 runout.

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Re: Cams for 2009 Ultra 96"
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2017, 11:02:11 AM »
already running gear drive. run-out was good prior to install and have had no problems. just looking to put in a better cam than the S&S 510G currently installed. thanks for your concern, though.
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