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Front Brake Rotors
« on: December 28, 2017, 09:39:17 AM »
I have asked here before, but I am looking for better than OEM replacement rotors to fit the stock wheels on my 2016 Limited. I have searched and can not find anything that looks any better than stock with similar or higher price. I have one bad rotor right now, took it to the dealer, of course nothing wrong with it. I guess pulsing under hard braking is normal! :banghead: I plan on replacing both before spring. If I can not find anything else I guess HD will get my money. I think I have some HOG $$ at the local stealer, perhaps I will spend it on rotors.

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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2017, 09:48:10 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2017, 10:05:34 AM »
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2017, 10:14:48 AM »
Did you try sanding the rotors? Pulsing is usually a glazed spot from what I've found.

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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2017, 10:26:02 AM »
Did you try sanding the rotors? Pulsing is usually a glazed spot from what I've found.

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I might try that, although usually you can see the glazed spot. These look fine.
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2017, 10:30:06 AM »
Pulsating on mine was caused by "bent" rotor.

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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2017, 10:33:49 AM »
I assume you have the Agitator style wheel, that's what generates most of the warped rotor complaints.

The MoCo has upgraded that rotor twice, so a oem replacement might give better service.  Or you could try one of these:

http://galferusa.com/product-category/harley-davidson/2016/cruiser/flhtc-electra-glide-classic-w-agitator-wheels

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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2017, 10:56:11 AM »
PoorUB, I am using the Harley floating rotors and they are priced right and offer great smooth braking. They list them in their parts catalogue.
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2017, 11:18:56 AM »
Check out DP brake rotors.  Part number DS1906F     

Direct OEM replacement rotor
Gives improved feel, performance and stopping power
Manufactured from high-quality 410 stainless steel
100% laser-cut for precise fitment
High-quality blanchard-ground for precise flatness and an attractive finish
Compatible with all brake pad compounds and aftermarket calipers
The ideal combination with DP Brakes brake pads
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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2017, 12:01:01 PM »
The Wilwood's are pretty nice. ~$75-$80 ea. from Summit & Jegs.
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2017, 12:36:05 PM »
I assume you have the Agitator style wheel, that's what generates most of the warped rotor complaints.

The MoCo has upgraded that rotor twice, so a oem replacement might give better service.  Or you could try one of these:

http://galferusa.com/product-category/harley-davidson/2016/cruiser/flhtc-electra-glide-classic-w-agitator-wheels


Pretty sure the stock wheel is called '"Impeller". Pretty sure the Agitator rotor will not fit.
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2017, 04:30:46 PM »
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2017, 04:56:00 AM »
Biker's Choice has them with new hardware. $125 ea, I've sold a bunch, no issues #482592
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2017, 09:18:36 AM »
EBC floating rotors worked for me. Priced right and lots of style choices

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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2017, 06:14:52 PM »
Had a bent rotor on my bike which was causing the pulsing brake in the front end.  Just replaced it with oem so the new one would match the old one.

Was able to confirm it with a cheapo harbor freight dial guage.  recommend you borrow one to double check the runout on the rotor before going out and spending big bucks chasing a problem that may not be there.
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2017, 07:07:52 PM »
Was able to confirm it with a cheapo harbor freight dial guage.  recommend you borrow one to double check the runout on the rotor before going out and spending big bucks chasing a problem that may not be there.

I have a dial indicator and I have checked them for run out already, both or within Harley's typical generous specifications. Also checked by the dealer, of course they were in spec and he couldn't duplicate the problem. I grabbed some brakes leaving the dealer and felt it. There is something definitely wrong with the rotors so they will get a good looking over, and probably changed out. I had to replace rotors on my '05 and my '10, may as well swap these out too!
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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2017, 06:55:31 AM »
Biker's Choice has them with new hardware. $125 ea, I've sold a bunch, no issues #482592

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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2017, 11:05:00 AM »
Afore ya go spending money on new rotors, perhaps give this guy a call?

https://www.truedisk.net/

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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2017, 11:29:38 AM »
Afore ya go spending money on new rotors, perhaps give this guy a call?

https://www.truedisk.net/

-JW

I can buy stock rotors for $110. I don't think sticking half that into resufacing looks like a great deal.
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2017, 11:49:37 AM »
Deye-I think they are actually mfg by Brembo in Spain, but do not etch that in stone, I know EBC makes some of our Twin Power and Bikers Choice branded brake products as well

The OP was originally asking about "stock" replacements, but we soon dove into better performing ie; Galfer(my favorite), EBC, Lyndall, Etc, they all make good stuff, but not "stock replacement" cost

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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2017, 12:04:20 PM »
Deye-I think they are actually mfg by Brembo in Spain, but do not etch that in stone, I know EBC makes some of our Twin Power and Bikers Choice branded brake products as well

The OP was originally asking about "stock" replacements, but we soon dove into better performing ie; Galfer(my favorite), EBC, Lyndall, Etc, they all make good stuff, but not "stock replacement" cost

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I thought he is looking for better than OEM stuff.
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2017, 12:24:38 PM »
Deye-I think they are actually mfg by Brembo in Spain, but do not etch that in stone, I know EBC makes some of our Twin Power and Bikers Choice branded brake products as well

The OP was originally asking about "stock" replacements, but we soon dove into better performing ie; Galfer(my favorite), EBC, Lyndall, Etc, they all make good stuff, but not "stock replacement" cost

Merry New Years to all!

I never said that, I said, "better than OEM". Not interested in cheap, no Tiawanese cheaper than OEM replacements.

I will consider about anything, but not willing to go crazy like the $400 Lyndall rotors! you guys help me find the options, I can go from there. My major complaint was not being able to find much of anything.

Someone mentioned EBC, I can not find a EBC front rotor to fit my '16.
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2017, 12:31:13 PM »
The Wilwood's are pretty nice. ~$75-$80 ea. from Summit & Jegs.

None that fit my '16.
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2017, 01:59:31 PM »
and in full disclosure, I did miss the "better thank stock"  :oops:
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« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2017, 02:03:09 PM »
Might call EBC in Vegas to see if they have applications that are not in the catalog.

Is EBC #MD529 correct for your application?  Shows for 2016 Ultra Limited.  $163 on amazon.

Looks like you need rotors to fit Impeller or Enforcer wheels.
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2017, 02:57:43 PM »
Might call EBC in Vegas to see if they have applications that are not in the catalog.

Is EBC #MD529 correct for your application?  Shows for 2016 Ultra Limited.  $163 on amazon.

Looks like you need rotors to fit Impeller or Enforcer wheels.

Looks like it, Thanks!
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« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2017, 03:32:15 PM »
EBC/Vegas can let you know availability if your curious about contoured (EBC term) O.D.,   if not looks like MD529.  Normally C is added to part#. 

A friend that use to road race claims the contoured edge is less likely to dish/potato chip.  I think the brake co.'s will say its for a slight friction increase and maybe more edge surface...doubt it matters.

Might see if Calif Phil can get EBC.

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« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2017, 06:10:55 PM »
Is EBC #MD529 correct for your application?  Shows for 2016 Ultra Limited.

And also for 2017 models per their 2017 catalog


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« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2017, 07:19:46 PM »
Assuming "PoorUB" really means "poor"...

$45 seems like a deal compared to $160, for a pulse in the brake lever. Can't even call the guy?

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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2017, 08:04:50 PM »
Just a quick thought. On the 2016 Ultra I had I would have sworn I had the same problem. Light braking OK, but heavy braking really shook the front end. Checked for run-out, OK less than .002", checked for thickness, OK less than .001". Didn't really want to take it to the dealer so lived with it, not really bad. Tire looked OK just eying it. Come time to change the front tire and first ride after that and no problems!!! Yes I checked balance after removing the original wheel tire assembly, it was fine. Looked over old removed tire and you could see a bad spot like ply or belt shift/separation. No pulsing in the brake lever when I had the problem made me think tire but mounted it looked OK.
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« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2017, 08:54:52 PM »
Assuming "PoorUB" really means "poor"...

$45 seems like a deal compared to $160, for a pulse in the brake lever. Can't even call the guy?

-JW

When I picked that name I was not as well off as I am today, I am not poor any longer, but I am a bit on the tight side! I don't have issue with spending a few dollars, but I spend it carefully.

$45, plus freight, probably about half the price of new. Like I said, stock rotors are $110, not sure where the $160 comes from. Also not always is the "best deal" the best deal.

Besides, I have access to a machine shop, I can get  the old ones resurfaced for free, still not interested. The best deal might be a couple of $200 rotors that never need to be replaced.

Thanks, but not interested.
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« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2018, 09:52:46 AM »
Just a thought....
PoorUB commented that he had checked the specs and found both rotors within HD specs.  Would it make a difference if both rotors were 'out' in the same place which could possibly compound the pulsing in the front brakes?  If one of the rotors were turned a couple holes, would it help???? 

Seems logical to me but I'm not an hd mechanic - more of a shade tree mechanic but with over 50 years of practice fixing mechanical things like cars, boats and motorcycles.
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2018, 02:07:13 PM »
Not that it matters, but this is my third bagger, and the third one to have pulsating front brakes. I'm going with the odds that it is the rotors because it took care of the issues before.
I'm not convinced the stock rotors are very good. On the other hand I use the front brakes most of the time and tend to abuse them. Many riders would never have problems with them. One reason why I am looking at after market rotors.
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« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2018, 04:54:34 PM »
I wouldn't think you can abuse the front brakes, after all they are the main stopping power on a bike. If they can't hold up then they sure need to be upgraded. Shame on the MoCo if they can't cut the mustard.
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« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2018, 05:25:28 PM »
A good friend had his rotors warp within the first year on this '08 Street Glide. He came off a '95 Fatboy with wooden single piston single caliper brakes, and got carried away with the amazing new power of his four piston dual caliper brakes. Cooked those rotors in no time.
He has yet to replace them. He's actually cheaper than me, but I'm not really sure what he's waiting for. Once the road turns curvy, he cannot keep up, as he has to be gentle with the brakes, and he hates losing.
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« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2018, 06:21:47 PM »
I wouldn't think you can abuse the front brakes, after all they are the main stopping power on a bike. If they can't hold up then they sure need to be upgraded. Shame on the MoCo if they can't cut the mustard.
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My experience is the stock rotors are not up to the task of spirited riding!
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« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2018, 06:36:30 PM »
I wouldn't think you can abuse the front brakes, after all they are the main stopping power on a bike. If they can't hold up then they sure need to be upgraded. Shame on the MoCo if they can't cut the mustard.
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My experience is the stock rotors are not up to the task of spirited riding!

And trying to stop 900 pounds.
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« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2018, 07:40:19 PM »
I wouldn't think you can abuse the front brakes, after all they are the main stopping power on a bike. If they can't hold up then they sure need to be upgraded. Shame on the MoCo if they can't cut the mustard.
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My experience is the stock rotors are not up to the task of spirited riding!

And trying to stop 900 pounds.

You forgot to add the extra weight of the little woman on back! (Me too, I guess!) Plus I pull a 150 pound trailer from time, but I am sure it is Annie that pushes it over the limit! :hyst:
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2018, 10:49:50 PM »
I have asked here before, but I am looking for better than OEM replacement rotors to fit the stock wheels on my 2016 Limited. I have searched and can not find anything that looks any better than stock with similar or higher price. I have one bad rotor right now, took it to the dealer, of course nothing wrong with it. I guess pulsing under hard braking is normal! :banghead: I plan on replacing both before spring. If I can not find anything else I guess HD will get my money. I think I have some HOG $$ at the local stealer, perhaps I will spend it on rotors.

Any help would be appreciated!!

 I took my '15 Limited in to have the rear brake looked at under warranty, told them it shuddered so bad it shook the windshield. They said they couldn't duplicate the problem, and tightened the windshield.
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« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2018, 05:12:01 AM »
I have asked here before, but I am looking for better than OEM replacement rotors to fit the stock wheels on my 2016 Limited. I have searched and can not find anything that looks any better than stock with similar or higher price. I have one bad rotor right now, took it to the dealer, of course nothing wrong with it. I guess pulsing under hard braking is normal! :banghead: I plan on replacing both before spring. If I can not find anything else I guess HD will get my money. I think I have some HOG $$ at the local stealer, perhaps I will spend it on rotors.

Any help would be appreciated!!

 I took my '15 Limited in to have the rear brake looked at under warranty, told them it shuddered so bad it shook the windshield. They said they couldn't duplicate the problem, and tightened the windshield.

Seems like the proper fix...
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2018, 10:12:18 AM »
I too have had serious rotor issues with both of my baggers.  The '05 RG had really bad warpage in no time flat.  Entire front end would do the "head bob" thing at low speeds and light braking.  Horrible stopping distance at higher speeds, felt like double the distance from brand new.

My '12 also warped the rotors very early on and I decided screw these POS daisy rotors.  I started shopping around for premium floating rotors and about puked at the price of Lyndall and EBC floaters.  Before I replaced the rotors the Rushmore bikes came out with the Enforcer wheel and full floating rotors.  I snagged a new take-off Enforcer front wheel with rotors for next to nothin.   Braking was great and I was very happy with the upgrade!     

Alas, all good things come to an end and the Rushmore rotors started to warp late last year (about 20k miles on them).  While nowhere nearly as bad as the old one piece junk, they are definitely affecting stopping from highway speeds.  I suppose the good news is the replacement Rushmore rotors are pretty inexpensive to replace.
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2018, 01:20:31 PM »
One thing I find strange is up to the Rushmore models there are all kinds of rotors to choose from, from Harley and after market. The Rushmore has pretty limited selection and most look like stock.
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« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2018, 04:27:52 PM »
No doubt about that PoorUB.    I guess aftermarket is at a loss for how to doll up a simple piece of SS and justify selling for 2-4x oem price...

Those Lyndall floaters for the older wheels are sure pretty, but 8-900 for a pair of rotors?  That's totally nuts. 

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« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2018, 08:03:11 AM »
https://shop.lyndallbrakes.com/collections/all/Rotors


Thanks, but $400 and zero information as to what they are made of?


lol, it more like $1200.00  baggers need 3 rotors... not advisable to just change front or rear only.

I know you've move on to other OEM like rotors, but you raise an interesting question.

They are made by a USA company with advanced materials and process technologies, that have developed stuff for the space shuttle and advanced armor for the military, to name a couple    ;^)

REL inc  http://www.relinc.net/advanced-materials/

REL owns Matrix Brakes [and least another one that builds ceramic brakes drums for big rigs & rotors for cars] https://www.matrixbrakes.com/Articles.asp?ID=269

And Matrix Brake makes the rotor ring for LB, along with the gold pads


Have run MB rotors for over 5 years zero issues, well dropping about nine pounds of rotating mass drastically changed the handling, braking, etc   :wink:

So, use caution they are greater than OEM... lol     
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2018, 10:42:53 AM »


lol, it more like $1200.00  baggers need 3 rotors... not advisable to just change front or rear only.


You are going to have a tough time explaining why I would need to replace the lightly used rear brakes just because I put some super high tech rotors on the front!
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« Reply #46 on: January 04, 2018, 02:21:08 PM »


lol, it more like $1200.00  baggers need 3 rotors... not advisable to just change front or rear only.



You are going to have a tough time explaining why I would need to replace the lightly used rear brakes just because I put some super high tech rotors on the front!


Nope no explaining required... With a bagger* your first ride will tell you how bad of an idea it was... and you will gladly open your wallet or eat the cost of the new front two rotors. [Add two-up &/or a trailer  :down:]  {maybe if you have some of those very heavy bagger wheels HD has made over the years losing 6 pounds of rotating mass on rotors wouldn't be noticed ... but then again why in that case would you spend those kind of dollars when you'll never see the benefits.}

Don't get me wrong, the MMB rotors are outstanding and was [in my option] great money spent, along with going to 18" wheels.   AND yes I understand that it's not for everyones pocket book.

** have no knowledge about other HD frame types


hint: the gyroscopic pitch axis; dropping 6 pounds from the front, and none in the rear... wheels are not going to be (gyroscopically in balance/harmony}.
http://www.cleonis.nl/physics/phys256/gyroscope_physics.php
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #47 on: January 04, 2018, 06:46:41 PM »
q1svt, Not arguing about replacing the fronts rotors, just arguing the value of replacing the rear rotor, more so while keeping the heavy stock wheels. I can see the value of lighter weight, certainly with aftermarket wheels. I just don't see the value of a $400 rotor on a stock bagger when I don't use the rear brake much.

Also the front wheel does not weigh anything close to the rear, so not really buying the wheels being in harmony.
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2018, 06:05:18 AM »
q1svt, Not arguing about replacing the fronts rotors, just arguing the value of replacing the rear rotor, more so while keeping the heavy stock wheels. I can see the value of lighter weight, certainly with aftermarket wheels. I just don't see the value of a $400 rotor on a stock bagger when I don't use the rear brake much.

Also the front wheel does not weigh anything close to the rear, so not really buying the wheels being in harmony.

The issues is not about stopping... the issue is handling of the bike.

Not buying the gyroscopic affect... then try it  :wink:   because like I said "With a bagger* your first ride will tell you how bad of an idea it was... and you will gladly open your wallet or eat the cost of the new front two rotors."  You'll then have first hand feedback on your opinion.

How do I know, I tried it.  My MMB rotors sat around a couple months awaiting the time the rear tire needed to be replaced. At that time I was booked up, and no time to change the tire so I installed the front rotors, through the rear rotor in the saddle bag to ride 25 miles to the shop.  The fews miles I rode on the freeway was some of the scariest riding I've done.  Added a little input to change lanes the front would layover quicker than before BUT the rear had a mine of it's own... Got off the FW and rode back roads to the shop.

Love the greatly improved handling after three rotors were installed.

Kind of like HD going to 18/19" fronts and lighter rears in about 2012.  It really changed how the baggers handled.
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2018, 06:11:31 AM »
Eh, ok. But I am just concerned about stopping. It is a 900 pound bagger, it handles like a small truck, but good enough for what it is. If I were concerned about making it handle better the wheels would be the first to go, but I am not interested in dumping a bunch of money that direction. I have the R1 for the speed and handling fun. The bagger is my motorhome on two wheels that I flog into a few twisties once in a while.
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« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2018, 07:49:57 AM »
Yes, fully understand I swaped wheels and tires, then wanted more so then add MMB rotors.

You will most likely respond like my brother who rode HD's for well over fifty years.  I would stay with OEM type/style rotors [MMB do have greater stopping power & $$], good pads like the Golds [not as hard on wear of rotors, AND relearn how to use your brakes...

"stock bagger when I don't use the rear brake much."

The rear is the most important brake... not as much for stopping as for setting the bike up for stopping.  Should begin applying the rear milliseconds before the front.  That begins the braking [uses what ever rear braking is available] and gets the suspension to start squatting [front & rear together], then the front takes over to stop the bike.  With the suspension loaded the front will not have the big weight transfer causing the nose dive of the front forks [yes there is always a weight transfer]

that's my 2c based on training:
in 1969's by a Detroit scooter cop, reinforced by a Los Angeles PD scooter cop & trainer of LAPD motorcycle cadets, when I started to ride again in 1996.

*** there are riding books that cover the process in more more detail & better worded ;^) or walk up and talk with a motor cop about it...
*** my brother seldom used his fronts (didn't ride baggers)
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2018, 10:38:52 AM »
When I need to order stop I use both, but in normal relaxed riding I rarely use the rear. I understand about loading the suspension, but again I don't worry about it much in normal riding.

Last fall I was rolling hard on the street to my house, riding my R1. I grabbed a bunch of brakes, front and rear to slow for my driveway. The rear didn't seem to be doing much, but then I realized the tire was a foot off the ground.  :crash: It helps if the tire is in contact with the ground. :hyst:
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« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2018, 11:13:20 AM »
High speed I use the front and if necessary carefully add in some rear, low speed I use the
rear ie. parking lots, turning corners.
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2018, 12:11:24 PM »
Yes, fully understand I swaped wheels and tires, then wanted more so then add MMB rotors.

You will most likely respond like my brother who rode HD's for well over fifty years.  I would stay with OEM type/style rotors [MMB do have greater stopping power & $$], good pads like the Golds [not as hard on wear of rotors, AND relearn how to use your brakes...

"stock bagger when I don't use the rear brake much."

The rear is the most important brake... not as much for stopping as for setting the bike up for stopping.  Should begin applying the rear milliseconds before the front.  That begins the braking [uses what ever rear braking is available] and gets the suspension to start squatting [front & rear together], then the front takes over to stop the bike.  With the suspension loaded the front will not have the big weight transfer causing the nose dive of the front forks [yes there is always a weight transfer]

that's my 2c based on training:
in 1969's by a Detroit scooter cop, reinforced by a Los Angeles PD scooter cop & trainer of LAPD motorcycle cadets, when I started to ride again in 1996.

*** there are riding books that cover the process in more more detail & better worded ;^) or walk up and talk with a motor cop about it...
*** my brother seldom used his fronts (didn't ride baggers)

You are 100% correct. In a hard or panic stop, use the rear to set up and stabilize the bike and quickly as possible bear down on the front(s). I learned this  50 years ago. In very light braking I don't use the back too much, but in normal or hard stopping both are in use. I, for one, wouldn't be comfortable with linked brakes but then again I have never ridden a bike that had them. My current bike has ABS on both ends. I was very hesitant with them and didn't know what to expect. I found a nice safe place with a gravel surface. I tried the rear first, no real concerns here, but surprised how nice it felt. Then the front, here was my main concern, locking the front is not always a good idea, feeling and sometimes the end result can be bad. I was very surprised and now feel confident that I can clamp them on hard in a panic stop. They sure don't make them like they usta. My dad always said "Thank God". I remember some of the old bikes, you could squeeze the front lever for all you were worth and come to a nice gentle stop.
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2018, 12:23:42 PM »
Sometimes I use both brakes, hard stops, panic stops, and as mentioned, setting up the suspension for cornering and twisties.
Sometimes rear only, more likely to drag it in low speed maneuvers.
Mostly front only, normal braking, harder braking.
As far as abs, I have learned to like it. Had a panic stop on the freeway this fall, got cut off, just squeezed the brakes for all they were worth and didn't worry about lock-up, and could concentrate on moving over out of the way while full on braking. Pretty sweet.
I gave him the finger, didn't dwell on it much, and went on my way.
The linked brakes haven't given me any trouble, and seem to work nicely and unnoticed, so no real opinion on them, which must mean they are ok for me.
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2018, 09:17:48 AM »
Last fall I was rolling hard on the street to my house, riding my R1. I grabbed a bunch of brakes, front and rear to slow for my driveway. The rear didn't seem to be doing much, but then I realized the tire was a foot off the ground.  :crash: It helps if the tire is in contact with the ground. :hyst:

lol, they all [rice rockets] do that... Like to see pictures of a 900 pound bagger riding on the front.

All kidding aside, it shows how limited [in time] that the rears help. The rears use the rotational/gyroscopic forces to transfer those forces against the swingarm downward to get the suspension to compress, increasing tire/road traction/grip front & rear... Once inertia begins to raise the rear, rear braking is basically over [will have some effect but rider needs to reduce peddle forces or rear will lockup].   If the stats are correct, that's the only place/time the rear will provide the "30% additional braking"

Something tells me you know this already, but figured others might not...  every HD rider that I've talked with about how their front forks has a big dive in hard braking... when asked, does not use their rear brakes, or use front first.  {there is not thick enough fork oil or spring rates to fix that non-issue }

With you riding two different types of MC's, makes it very hard to build muscle memory...
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Re: Front Brake Rotors
« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2018, 09:35:08 AM »

With you riding two different types of MC's, makes it very hard to build muscle memory...

I will agree with that! When I first got the R1 I kept wanting to lift my right foot to apply the brakes. It took a while for that habit to go away. I don't ride the R1 much, but have ridden it enough so I don't seem to have any issue with muscle memory. At first I had to think about shifting, clutching and braking, but it is all natural now. I find that the less I think about it, the easier it is! The head gets in the way!
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