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Security system Question
« on: January 02, 2018, 12:07:33 PM »
With  mutha nature dealing SC a cruel hand for the next week pretty much teens and low 20's every night I'm going to bring the bike battery inside as it's been sitting for a week.

My question:
Is there any sequence to be used with the ignition before disconnecting or is it just the following after re-install.

I don't see one in my owners manual ??

Run sw  OFF

Cycle Ign  ON-OFF-ON-OFF-ON    Press left signal sw twice

Wait for three confirmation flashes of turn signals, The switch to OFF

I may have messed up something here in the past because I have had to re-marry the FOB's




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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2018, 12:36:45 PM »
I can't help with the security issue, but I can tell you that I do not remove my batteries in the winter, often below zero degrees for weeks, and not running for maybe four months. I rotate my tender between bikes, boat batteries, ATV, and occasionally my truck because it will sit for weeks without running during winter, maybe months during the summer.
A charged battery will not freeze, especially above zero degrees, so no worry there for you.
I only offer this to possibly save you some grief doing an R&R of the battery, especially if it is just for a few weeks.
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2018, 12:47:02 PM »
I can't help with the security issue, but I can tell you that I do not remove my batteries in the winter, often below zero degrees for weeks, and not running for maybe four months. I rotate my tender between bikes, boat batteries, ATV, and occasionally my truck because it will sit for weeks without running during winter, maybe months during the summer.
A charged battery will not freeze, especially above zero degrees, so no worry there for you.
I only offer this to possibly save you some grief doing an R&R of the battery, especially if it is just for a few weeks.

I don't use a battery tender and it's a pita putting the charger on every few days.

Standing voltage drops to 12.4 which is almost down to a 50% charge after a couple of days with nights dropping down to 12 degrees like last night. 
This is a Duracell battery that is only 19 months old. 

I'm afraid it left for a longer period of time without riding it will take a toll on it.

I'm not impressed with this battery and will not buy another when the time comes.

Taking the battery out is no big deal for me.  Seat is off.. I just hate having to redo the alarm.

These batteries today suck,, When I lived in MA I never charged a battery.. Sometimes 2 or 3 months without running.  The battery that came with the bike lasted 6 years and then went into a lawn tractor..
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2018, 12:49:20 PM »
This order...

Key fob near the bike.
Turn Ign ON
Pull the maxi fuse
Turn Ign OFF
Disconnect battery.

On reinstall, just hook up the battery and put the fuse back in.
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2018, 12:52:39 PM »
Not sure what bike you have but on my v rod even though it's not a real Harley, it's turn switch and kill switch on and yank the master fuse out after diagnostics done and turn switch off.  Pull battery .  To install battery, hook battery up and install master fuse. Mind you, I've done it several different ways and it has had no effect on the HFSS regardless of method. Book states key on and pull master fuse before removing battery. I see Coyote just posted that.
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2018, 12:52:53 PM »
This order...

Key fob near the bike.
Turn Ign ON
Pull the maxi fuse
Turn Ign OFF
Disconnect battery.

On reinstall, just hook up the battery and put the fuse back in.

Sorry I didn't put the year on my post  2001 FLHT 

That procedure sounds like it's for the newer bikes ???
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2018, 12:58:34 PM »
This order...

Key fob near the bike.
Turn Ign ON
Pull the maxi fuse
Turn Ign OFF
Disconnect battery.

On reinstall, just hook up the battery and put the fuse back in.

Sorry I didn't put the year on my post  2001 FLHT 

That procedure sounds like it's for the newer bikes ???

Then just disarm the bike and go from there.  On the newer bikes, the first two steps of my instructions are to disarm the system. You can do that with the button.
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2018, 01:01:22 PM »
This order...

Key fob near the bike.
Turn Ign ON
Pull the maxi fuse
Turn Ign OFF
Disconnect battery.

On reinstall, just hook up the battery and put the fuse back in.

Sorry I didn't put the year on my post  2001 FLHT 

That procedure sounds like it's for the newer bikes ???

Then just disarm the bike and go from there.  On the newer bikes, the first two steps of my instructions are to disarm the system. You can do that with the button.

Thanx
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2018, 01:10:26 PM »
What is all this about? I just disconnect the motorcycle battery, remove it and install the new one. Everything works just fine. Just did it on the wife's 2011 Super Glide last week.

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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2018, 01:13:34 PM »
This order...

Key fob near the bike.
Turn Ign ON
Pull the maxi fuse
Turn Ign OFF
Disconnect battery.

On reinstall, just hook up the battery and put the fuse back in.

Sorry I didn't put the year on my post  2001 FLHT 

That procedure sounds like it's for the newer bikes ???

Then just disarm the bike and go from there.  On the newer bikes, the first two steps of my instructions are to disarm the system. You can do that with the button.

Thanx

My 06 Dyna I just pull it with ignition and alarm turned off ( my fob has a button) and put it back when its time to fire it up. Never had a problem.  Bob

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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2018, 01:16:06 PM »
What is all this about? I just disconnect the motorcycle battery, remove it and install the new one. Everything works just fine. Just did it on the wife's 2011 Super Glide last week.

Here's what happened in the past on mine.. After removing the battery and installing a new one the security system will set.. If it goes off the FOB will not disarm it. Siren and lights go until it finishes and then it can be disarmed.

I have to remarry the FOB's like they are new to the system.

Hoping the tips here from Coyote and rbabos will help with this.

again this is older iron, 2001
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2018, 01:17:54 PM »
This order...

Key fob near the bike.
Turn Ign ON
Pull the maxi fuse
Turn Ign OFF
Disconnect battery.

On reinstall, just hook up the battery and put the fuse back in.

Sorry I didn't put the year on my post  2001 FLHT 

That procedure sounds like it's for the newer bikes ???

Then just disarm the bike and go from there.  On the newer bikes, the first two steps of my instructions are to disarm the system. You can do that with the button.

Thanx

My 06 Dyna I just pull it with ignition and alarm turned off ( my fob has a button) and put it back when its time to fire it up. Never had a problem.  Bob

Have you tripped the alarm and shut it off with the FOB after that procedure ?
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2018, 01:24:50 PM »
This order...

Key fob near the bike.
Turn Ign ON
Pull the maxi fuse
Turn Ign OFF
Disconnect battery.

On reinstall, just hook up the battery and put the fuse back in.

Sorry I didn't put the year on my post  2001 FLHT 

That procedure sounds like it's for the newer bikes ???

Then just disarm the bike and go from there.  On the newer bikes, the first two steps of my instructions are to disarm the system. You can do that with the button.

Thanx

My 06 Dyna I just pull it with ignition and alarm turned off ( my fob has a button) and put it back when its time to fire it up. Never had a problem.  Bob

Have you tripped the alarm and shut it off with the FOB after that procedure ?

Yes never had a problem with the alarm, but like I said I turn it off with the fob before I pull the battery.   Bob

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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2018, 01:31:12 PM »
This order...

Key fob near the bike.
Turn Ign ON
Pull the maxi fuse
Turn Ign OFF
Disconnect battery.

On reinstall, just hook up the battery and put the fuse back in.

Sorry I didn't put the year on my post  2001 FLHT 

That procedure sounds like it's for the newer bikes ???

Then just disarm the bike and go from there.  On the newer bikes, the first two steps of my instructions are to disarm the system. You can do that with the button.

Thanx

My 06 Dyna I just pull it with ignition and alarm turned off ( my fob has a button) and put it back when its time to fire it up. Never had a problem.  Bob

Have you tripped the alarm and shut it off with the FOB after that procedure ?

Yes never had a problem with the alarm, but like I said I turn it off with the fob before I pull the battery.   Bob

I've never had any problems with normal operation in 17 years.. Just last time I changed the battery. I forgot to disable the alarm when I went to start the bike and could not disable when I set if off.
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2018, 01:41:51 PM »
I think you and I bought the same battery about the same time. It worked ok until late this fall when it kicked back on me, letting me know it's days are numbered. I'm leaning toward a lithium for the next one.
Interesting that your fob wouldn't work. I don't think I've had that problem with mine. Are your fob batteries fresh? It reminds to replace them again this spring. I also rotate fobs so each one gets used at least every other year.
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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2018, 01:45:28 PM »
There have also been some instances where proximity fobs wouldn't work in certain areas, especially at gas pumps. I wonder if the same thing happened to you. The bikes had to be rolled about 15 or 20 feet away.
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2018, 02:05:11 PM »
This order...

Key fob near the bike.
Turn Ign ON
Pull the maxi fuse
Turn Ign OFF
Disconnect battery.

On reinstall, just hook up the battery and put the fuse back in.

Sorry I didn't put the year on my post  2001 FLHT 

That procedure sounds like it's for the newer bikes ???

Then just disarm the bike and go from there.  On the newer bikes, the first two steps of my instructions are to disarm the system. You can do that with the button.

Thanx

My 06 Dyna I just pull it with ignition and alarm turned off ( my fob has a button) and put it back when its time to fire it up. Never had a problem.  Bob

Well, yeah, just what I said too. lol
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2018, 02:21:46 PM »
This order...

Key fob near the bike.
Turn Ign ON
Pull the maxi fuse
Turn Ign OFF
Disconnect battery.

On reinstall, just hook up the battery and put the fuse back in.

Sorry I didn't put the year on my post  2001 FLHT 

That procedure sounds like it's for the newer bikes ???

Then just disarm the bike and go from there.  On the newer bikes, the first two steps of my instructions are to disarm the system. You can do that with the button.

Thanx

My 06 Dyna I just pull it with ignition and alarm turned off ( my fob has a button) and put it back when its time to fire it up. Never had a problem.  Bob

Well, yeah, just what I said too. lol

Yes it is, just confirming what you said works.  Bob

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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2018, 03:08:46 PM »
I think you and I bought the same battery about the same time. It worked ok until late this fall when it kicked back on me, letting me know it's days are numbered. I'm leaning toward a lithium for the next one.
Interesting that your fob wouldn't work. I don't think I've had that problem with mine. Are your fob batteries fresh? It reminds to replace them again this spring. I also rotate fobs so each one gets used at least every other year.

Ya Hoss, we both bought Duracells' about the same time.  Mine was great for the 1st year solving a "hot soak" slow crank issue on these very hot SC summer days.  Then started to get it again this summer once in a while.

I'm thinking of an Oddessy or maybe lithium...Just can't see why I need a 16 or 20 cell 300 $ battery to start a stock engine. 

My electrics are all working fine.  These AGM batteries just aren't what they used to be..

I changed the FOB battery when that happened.. Then I went through the marry sequence and that cured the issue.
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2018, 09:05:45 PM »
Try a Yuasa GYZ32HL, they crank well :up:

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« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2018, 06:33:00 AM »
Try a Yuasa GYZ32HL, they crank well :up:

I have used them before in my shovel heads.  Then I switched to OEM and they worked great for a long time.  Only reason I switched was the Yuasa ones I was using were not maintenance free.

I've haven't heard much negative about Oddessy or the Litium batteries other than the cost being higher than AGM..
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« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2018, 06:35:37 AM »
There have also been some instances where proximity fobs wouldn't work in certain areas, especially at gas pumps. I wonder if the same thing happened to you. The bikes had to be rolled about 15 or 20 feet away.

No Hoss ,  Bike was in the garage and I forgot to disarm the alarm before I started it.  That's when I discovered it wouldn't disarm with the FOB 
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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2018, 08:57:09 AM »
OP, I'm sure you already did whatever you decided to do, but I'm with HOSS on this one.  No need to bring your battery in for those cute little low temps.  Your battery will be fine. 

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« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2018, 09:15:33 AM »
May I also suggest getting a battery tender? It comes with the pigtail so charging doesn't require pulling the seat. You can also figure out a way to use a regular charger through the pigtail if you want (I use the clamps that come with the Tender, plugged into the tail, then clamp to clamp on the charger.) The tender keeps the battery going a little longer in life too. Kind of.
You can buy the pigtail separately as well, without the tender. I think I've got three or four laying around.
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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2018, 09:19:42 AM »
Red positive clamp to the starter power lug (fold back the rubber cover). and black negative clamp to the fooyboard mounting screw (or any other good ground surface).  Easy peasy  :wink:
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« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2018, 10:23:52 AM »
May I also suggest getting a battery tender? It comes with the pigtail so charging doesn't require pulling the seat. You can also figure out a way to use a regular charger through the pigtail if you want (I use the clamps that come with the Tender, plugged into the tail, then clamp to clamp on the charger.) The tender keeps the battery going a little longer in life too. Kind of.
You can buy the pigtail separately as well, without the tender. I think I've got three or four laying around.

Ya I thought about buying a tender.. These batteries just suck,, LOL   Never needed one before.  Still haven't taken battery out of the bike.

It was 21 degrees here this am and standing voltage was 12.60

 I put a 2 amp charge on it for a couple of hours yesterday afternoon. 

I checked the charge 2 hours after charging yesterday and it was 12.8  (fully charged according to HD SM) At 30 degrees ambient temp.
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« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2018, 10:54:15 AM »
OP, I'm sure you already did whatever you decided to do, but I'm with HOSS on this one.  No need to bring your battery in for those cute little low temps.  Your battery will be fine.

I'm sure it won't freeze.. Just don't like to see it dropping to a 50% charge every few days..Can't be good for the life of it.
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« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2018, 10:56:12 AM »
Red positive clamp to the starter power lug (fold back the rubber cover). and black negative clamp to the fooyboard mounting screw (or any other good ground surface).  Easy peasy  :wink:

OK I'm looking at "battery tenders" on ebay and amazon.  Prices are all over the place and several different models.

Any advise on which one I should buy ??
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« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2018, 11:02:05 AM »
The Battery Tender "Junior" has worked well for me and others I know.
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« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2018, 11:04:42 AM »
The Battery Tender "Junior" has worked well for me and others I know.

Sounds good,  I was just looking at that one on amazon.. $26.00 

Recommended for the HD application

Thanks for the help to all.

I'm going to order that one.
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« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2018, 11:06:20 AM »
I have the "junior" as well.
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« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2018, 11:14:23 AM »
I have the "junior" as well.

I was about to order but can't tell if it comes with the quick disconnect pigtail ? 

"Battery Tender 021-0123 Battery Tender Junior 12V, 0.75A Battery Charger"

This is the model number I am looking at.
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« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2018, 11:17:56 AM »
It will come with 1 pigtail I'm sure. You may want to look at the Battery Tender Plus. If you ever have to charge up a battery that's down half way, the Jr is going to struggle to do it.  The Tender Plus is also sold through Drag, same device, just their name on it. Might want to check with CA Phil too.

Oh and make sure you DO NOT get the one they make for California.
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« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2018, 11:20:09 AM »
It will come with 1 pigtail I'm sure. You may want to look at the Battery Tender Plus. If you ever have to charge up a battery that's down half way, the Jr is going to struggle to do it.  The Tender Plus is also sold through Drag, same device, just their name on it. Might want to check with CA Phil too.

Oh and make sure you DO NOT get the one they make for California.

Thanks for that info.

I have a $25.00 credit with amazon is the biggest reason I was looking there.

I was looking at the plus as well..
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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2018, 11:24:35 AM »
The junior works fine for maintaining and I have two of them. Not good for charging with only .75 amps, which is understandable since you need  2 amps for that purpose.
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« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2018, 11:28:55 AM »
The junior works fine for maintaining and I have two of them. Not good for charging with only .75 amps, which is understandable since you need a bare minimum of 2 amps for that purpose.
Ron

I have found using a battery charger on a AGM with more than 2amps cooks them and seriously shortens there life. So does letting them sit discharged for to long.  Bob

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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2018, 11:34:19 AM »
The junior works fine for maintaining and I have two of them. Not good for charging with only .75 amps, which is understandable since you need a bare minimum of 2 amps for that purpose.
Ron

I have found using a battery charger on a AGM with more than 2amps cooks them and seriously shortens there life. So does letting them sit discharged for to long.  Bob

 :agree:

I always use the 2 amp setting on my regular charger,

I just ordered the "tender plus"   1.5 amps

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« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2018, 11:36:37 AM »
The junior works fine for maintaining and I have two of them. Not good for charging with only .75 amps, which is understandable since you need a bare minimum of 2 amps for that purpose.
Ron
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I'll bring it to a full charge with my regular charger and then put it on the tender after that.

 Looks like we have another week or more of what I call non riding weather.. 
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« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2018, 11:46:53 AM »
The junior works fine for maintaining and I have two of them. Not good for charging with only .75 amps, which is understandable since you need 2 amps for that purpose.
Ron


I have found using a battery charger on a AGM with more than 2amps cooks them and seriously shortens there life. So does letting them sit discharged for to long.  Bob
That's correct. I changed my post so someone doesn't over do it.
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« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2018, 11:51:19 AM »
The junior works fine for maintaining and I have two of them. Not good for charging with only .75 amps, which is understandable since you need  2 amps for that purpose.
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I'll bring it to a full charge with my regular charger and then put it on the tender after that.

 Looks like we have another week or more of what I call non riding weather..
I wish I only had a week or two. Full blown winter here.
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« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2018, 11:54:44 AM »
The junior works fine for maintaining and I have two of them. Not good for charging with only .75 amps, which is understandable since you need  2 amps for that purpose.
Ron
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I'll bring it to a full charge with my regular charger and then put it on the tender after that.

 Looks like we have another week or more of what I call non riding weather..
I wish I only had a week or two. Full blown winter here.
Ron

It is now snowing here as I type this..
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2018, 02:08:00 PM »
I have 3 of the Juniors. There has been times one of the bikes ahs sat for weeks with the security ststem on and the battery was run down. The Junior came up to charge eventually with the .75 charge rate. It took a while but at least I didn't have to worry about forgetting it and cooking the battery. That's why I started using a tender, because I would forget the charger was on the bike and end up overcharging it.  :embarrassed:  It was cheaper to buy and use a tender. My experience is they do charge, but very slowly. That just reminded me that the Road Kink hasn't been run in a couple months (or more) so it's tender time.  :wink:
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2018, 03:34:33 PM »
I have 3 of the Juniors. There has been times one of the bikes ahs sat for weeks with the security ststem on and the battery was run down. The Junior came up to charge eventually with the .75 charge rate. It took a while but at least I didn't have to worry about forgetting it and cooking the battery. That's why I started using a tender, because I would forget the charger was on the bike and end up overcharging it.  :embarrassed:  It was cheaper to buy and use a tender. My experience is they do charge, but very slowly. That just reminded me that the Road Kink hasn't been run in a couple months (or more) so it's tender time.  :wink:

LOL  YEP !  I set my iPhone timer so I don't forget to take the charger off.

I ordered the tender plus, I'll have it here Friday.

While weather this cold for this long is unusual here in SC the tender will be a good thing any way.  This duracell battery isn't what they yak it up to be.

If I took it back to bulbs and batteries I could probably argue them into a free replacement but hell .. Just more issues after a year more than likely with a replacement.

I'll see how the tender keeps this one up and when it acts up I'll step up, put it in the lawn tractor and buy something better.


I have to agree with many that have said these newer batteries are not as good as the early versions.   
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2018, 12:05:17 PM »
Got the tender 

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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2018, 12:27:19 PM »
That was fast!
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2018, 12:42:04 PM »
That was fast!
You will like it.
Amazon prime.. 2 day free shipping :)  I had a $25.00 credit so it cost me 23.00 bucks.. outa pocket.
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2018, 11:58:24 AM »
KD really has the hot tip to connect any battery charger to any HD if yer not usin a pig tail.  I did it his way for about 15 years until I grafted a pig tail on to my Batter Tender.

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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2018, 12:10:42 PM »
I have found using a battery charger on a AGM with more than 2 amps cooks them and seriously shortens there  (their) life.

I find this hard to believe.  What if your battery was discharged the same amount when you started your bike and the voltage regulator hit the battery with 3 amps or more?  Would THAT ruin your battery?  Doubt it.

 Also .75 amp is enough to charge a battery, it just takes longer than say 10 amps.  And if the battery is brand new, never been charged before, .75 amp is exactly what you want to charge it with in many cases.

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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #48 on: January 06, 2018, 12:13:45 PM »
KD really has the hot tip to connect any battery charger to any HD if yer not usin a pig tail.  I did it his way for about 15 years until I grafted a pig tail on to my Batter Tender.

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Yes that was a very good suggestion.

I have the tender hooked up now, been on about 24 hours.
 
Just using the clips for now.When the temps here finally get back to normal next week I'll put the pig tail on there and put the sat back on. 

We haven't seen 32 degrees here today and haven't been out of the 30's for 7 or 8 days now...

Seems to be working good. Green light is on solid.."Fully Charged" 

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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2018, 12:20:05 PM »
I have found using a battery charger on a AGM with more than 2 amps cooks them and seriously shortens there  (their) life.

I find this hard to believe.  What if your battery was discharged the same amount when you started your bike and the voltage regulator hit the battery with 3 amps or more?  Would THAT ruin your battery?  Doubt it.

 Also .75 amp is enough to charge a battery, it just takes longer than say 10 amps.  And if the battery is brand new, never been charged before, .75 amp is exactly what you want to charge it with in many cases.

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If you look at your SM there should be a chart to show how long to charge at different amps depending on level of charge.  I always used that chart at 2 amp.. The chart actually starts at 3 amps..

I'm sure if you left an older charger that doesn't float or stop charging when full on to long it would damage the battery.

I have always been real careful with my regular charger cuz it's a 1988 model (even made in the USA) I set a timer when ever using it.  Old fart brain forgets to easy..
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #50 on: January 06, 2018, 12:36:03 PM »
I have found using a battery charger on a AGM with more than 2 amps cooks them and seriously shortens there  (their) life.

I find this hard to believe.  What if your battery was discharged the same amount when you started your bike and the voltage regulator hit the battery with 3 amps or more?  Would THAT ruin your battery?  Doubt it.

 Also .75 amp is enough to charge a battery, it just takes longer than say 10 amps.  And if the battery is brand new, never been charged before, .75 amp is exactly what you want to charge it with in many cases.

PC


Believe what you want just relating my experience, I did in a couple of batteries before the light went on.  I don't worry about it any more went to a anti gravity lithium with one of there chargers. Best money I spent in a long time.   Bob   

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« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2018, 07:31:30 AM »
I bought a Battery Tender plus last week (Thursday) and hooked it up.

Every night has been between 6 and 18 degrees since and my green steady light ( fully charged is on)

I have been checking the voltage every day and it is at a consistent 13.33 V

From what I read in the directions this is what it should be when fully charged.. Between 100 and 103 % of 12,8 to 12.9

So far so good 

Thanks to Y'all for suggesting that route rather than my thought about removing the battery and bringing it inside

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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2018, 09:42:24 AM »
When you are checking voltage, make sure the tender is disconnected. Let it sit a minute, turn your ignition on momentarily then off. Then check voltage. That will give you the truest battery reading. You want to bleed off the extra "resilient" voltage, for lack of a better term.
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2018, 09:49:40 AM »
When you are checking voltage, make sure the tender is disconnected. Let it sit a minute, turn your ignition on momentarily then off. Then check voltage. That will give you the truest battery reading. You want to bleed off the extra "resilient" voltage, for lack of a better term.

Thanx Hoss

I was checking while still hooked up to make sure I wasn't over charging. Numbers I see are in spec.

I'll do what you suggest this afternoon.. I'm pretty sure the standing voltage will be around 12.8 even a couple of hours after disconnecting the charger.  That where it usually was when using the conventional charger to bring it back up from 12.60 or so.
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2018, 01:16:12 PM »
When you are checking voltage, make sure the tender is disconnected. Let it sit a minute, turn your ignition on momentarily then off. Then check voltage. That will give you the truest battery reading. You want to bleed off the extra "resilient" voltage, for lack of a better term.


OK Hoss I disconnected the Tender waited a couple of minutes, turn ignition on for a few seconds and then off.

Reading was 12.97

Left Tender disconnected went back and checked a couple of hours later :

Reading was 12.86

Ambient temp is 51 degrees

Looks good to me

Tender back on and I'm done thinking about it   :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2018, 03:29:31 PM »
That's the easiest way to deal with it - don't worry about it, buy a new one when it finally ticks you off.
Have you done a running voltage test on your charging system?
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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2018, 03:48:28 PM »
That's the easiest way to deal with it - don't worry about it, buy a new one when it finally ticks you off.
Have you done a running voltage test on your charging system?

Yes   14.3 V @ 2000 RPM

At idle it varies but always above 13 V



It always starts good other than the occasional "hot soak" crank.   Never an issue on a cold start after sitting. I just don't like how the standing voltage will drop when it's real cold after sitting for a couple of days. Security system off.

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Re: Security system Question
« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2018, 03:57:50 PM »
The Tender will solve all that.
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