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2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« on: January 07, 2018, 02:32:31 PM »
 The Superglide back on the lift for a new exhaust. I pulled the exhaust and went into the cam chest just for good measure. That rear tensioner looks like it may be splintering. It has dark lines running through it and parts cleaner didn’t clean them off. I think I may just replace the pads, but if I do that then why not do a set of drop in cams. So, I’m in a bit of a quandary  on what I should do. It would be nice to have the funds to just do a complete kit and get cylinders heads and cams to all match, but that’s not in the books at the moment. I could do S&S 510 cams and call it a day. I checked and I do have the beehive springs so I could go with more lift which would help later with better heads, but the stock heads are done between 450-500 lift. Decisions decisions, what to do?




Ps. I have the road rage 13222j exhaust

Pss. I would like to be able to use the stock pushrods
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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2018, 03:14:00 PM »
How much funds do you have for this project?
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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2018, 03:18:04 PM »
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That rear tensioner looks like it may be splintering.

post a pic

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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2018, 03:35:28 PM »
Hereís a pic

This is what it looks like today



This is a little bit ago when I took a peek, I believe you can see the lines on it but they are not dark and I didnít think anything about them then




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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2018, 07:51:18 PM »
Hydraulic cam plate upgrade removes that kind of wear issues.  As far as drop in cams, do you want low end (ss509s) or midrange (se204s)?
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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2018, 08:07:30 PM »
Replace the tensioners and do a cam job and top end when money is better. Better deal than doing a half a$$ job now and the rest later.
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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2018, 08:18:09 PM »
Hydraulic cam plate upgrade removes that kind of wear issues.  As far as drop in cams, do you want low end (ss509s) or midrange (se204s)?

Midrange and up power improvements is what I would like. Iím normally in the 2800-3200 cruise range and will wind it up to 5000 when passing. Would hold on longer be sheís not making power anymore by that point. Only time Iím below 2800 is when taking off in 1st gear in slow traffic, one I shift Iíll never be that low again.

Was thinking the s&s510 might be a good cam and while Iím there new s&s lifters. I think something in that range would also match the road rage pipe well. But Iím no expert

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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2018, 09:27:06 PM »
I'd do the tensioner pads, CR575 cams, inner bearings, & lifters of your choice. The 575s are versatile enough that they should work well now, especially if you're looking for mid range tq, & will shine with some mild head work & comp bump.

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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2018, 10:14:51 PM »
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Buzz heads .030 and a .030 gasket  :scoot:

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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2018, 04:29:53 AM »
Suggest you replace stock tensioners with Cyco tensioners and get a torque cam(power down in low RPM range) to go with your riding style.
You can try and make something idiot-proof, but those idiots are so darn clever

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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2018, 04:50:52 AM »
All the cams mentioned will work well - very well  :up:
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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2018, 07:12:05 AM »
You didn't mention the mileage. If you want to stay economical & do a cam you should be able to find an SE204 around. It needs a little more compression so a .030" HG, all cam bearings, Cyco tensioner pads, new lifters & I would "stud" the 2 cam cover screw holes. Don't forget to drill the top end drain holes a little larger. JMHO

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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2018, 02:39:40 PM »
Its 20,000 miles, I may just check run out and go gear drive s&s 510. Thatís what the local Indy suggested based on how I drive. Which he says isnít like most hd riders. He likes to stick with the 510 lift on the 05 heads even though they have beehive springs. He thinks the early beehives arenít up to the high lift and are know to break with high rpm use.Chaz said If I was the average HD rider they would probably be fine. It looks like I will be hard pressed to do this for less than 750-850 in parts. Nothing cheap about fixing the cam chest.

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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2018, 03:00:57 PM »
check runout for sure but I'd NOT go gear drive on a 05 crank even if it checks in spec

I'd use Cyco Pads and keep it simple.

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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2018, 03:07:00 PM »
I agree, just change the pads, put your cam of choice in, tune, and ride. I don't know the 510, but I'm sure it will work well for your riding style. The 204's would as well, I have personal experience with those. A .030 head gasket would help, but your style of riding in the rpm's necessary will work just fine.
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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2018, 04:23:51 PM »

Looks like the 510 is a more aggressive cam and probably could use a little more compression as well. I guess that will come next winter. There is a guy in Plano that I would like to try for the head work. I think he is on here as well

510   20˚/38˚   52˚/20˚   238˚   252˚   .510".    102.5 lsa.   40 overlap

204.  22/34.      52/08.      236 240.   .508       104 Lsa     30 overlap

Thanks for the Cyco advice that seems to fit well with me.

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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2018, 04:31:12 PM »

Looks like the 510 is a more aggressive cam and probably could use a little more compression as well. I guess that will come next winter. There is a guy in Plano that I would like to try for the head work. I think he is on here as well

510   20˚/38˚   52˚/20˚   238˚   252˚   .510".    102.5 lsa.   40 overlap

204.  22/34.      52/08.      236 240.   .508       104 Lsa     30 overlap

Thanks for the Cyco advice that seems to fit well with me.

that cam wouldn't be my choice but all the others mentioned would work well

S&S 509 kicks ass in an 88"
SE204 has worked well for me and would be at home in a 95" as well
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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2018, 05:23:54 PM »
Just a touch late, everything is on its way now, i think it will work out ok. Should match the pipe too.

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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2018, 09:29:52 AM »
Just a touch late, everything is on its way now, i think it will work out ok. Should match the pipe too.


did you go with the 510 cam?
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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2018, 09:47:48 AM »

Looks like the 510 is a more aggressive cam and probably could use a little more compression as well. I guess that will come next winter. There is a guy in Plano that I would like to try for the head work. I think he is on here as well

510   20˚/38˚   52˚/20˚   238˚   252˚   .510".    102.5 lsa.   40 overlap

204.  22/34.      52/08.      236 240.   .508       104 Lsa     30 overlap

Thanks for the Cyco advice that seems to fit well with me.
If that guy in Plano is MCE you will be very happy with the results Matt does excellent work

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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2018, 03:14:55 PM »
Just a touch late, everything is on its way now, i think it will work out ok. Should match the pipe too.


did you go with the 510 cam?

Yes went with the 510

Looks like the 510 is a more aggressive cam and probably could use a little more compression as well. I guess that will come next winter. There is a guy in Plano that I would like to try for the head work. I think he is on here as well

510   20˚/38˚   52˚/20˚   238˚   252˚   .510".    102.5 lsa.   40 overlap

204.  22/34.      52/08.      236 240.   .508       104 Lsa     30 overlap

Thanks for the Cyco advice that seems to fit well with me.
If that guy in Plano is MCE you will be very happy with the results Matt does excellent work

Yea itís matt, talked some with him on the phone and through pm. He would have me do the 570 s&s if I was doing the heads now.
He seems like a super guy and isnít to far away. I believe heíll do me right. Now all I gotta do is follow his advice  :gob:

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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2018, 03:40:46 PM »
The ups man just showed up, heís my friend always bringing gifts, never bills. What a great guy! Most people come see me cause they need something, not this guy, I mean really who else in you life always brings gifts, never stays to long and is happy to have you receive from him. I mean the modern day Santa  :baby:


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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2018, 06:04:07 PM »
Any suggestions houghts on the heartland tool for pulling and installing inner bearings? The price isnít too bad

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« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2018, 08:02:52 PM »
I've got one, it works really well.
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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2018, 02:45:49 AM »
Any suggestions houghts on the heartland tool for pulling and installing inner bearings? The price isnít too bad
Hey Johnwesley, SportsterTom here from ADV, I've bought a couple tools from Heartland Products and they are machined/made very nicely. You won't be disappointed.  Good Luck with your new project!
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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2018, 05:00:41 AM »
Any suggestions houghts on the heartland tool for pulling and installing inner bearings? The price isnít too bad
Hey Johnwesley, SportsterTom here from ADV, I've bought a couple tools from Heartland Products and they are machined/made very nicely. You won't be disappointed.  Good Luck with your new project!
I've got one, it works really well.
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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2018, 11:13:50 AM »
So are you going to do headwork now, or down the road?

Still keeping it 88"?

If headwork now I'd mill .040+ off the heads and use a .030 head gasket

I built a 95" with a similar cam and it actually runs pretty damn good but the compression came out pretty low. I may go back in someday and mill my heads more but kind of doubt it'd be worth the effort. I only milled mine .014 and I wish I'd done much more.

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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2018, 11:18:07 AM »
So are you going to do headwork now, or down the road?

Still keeping it 88"?

If headwork now I'd mill .040+ off the heads and use a .030 head gasket

I built a 95" with a similar cam and it actually runs pretty damn good but the compression came out pretty low. I may go back in someday and mill my heads more but kind of doubt it'd be worth the effort. I only milled mine .014 and I wish I'd done much more.


Hereís the deal my plan was another year with just a stg one set up. Well while the exhaust was off I checked the tensioners and they needed help. So while Iím there wanted to do the cam now. So Iím still planing on h ad work and bore next winter. This isnít optimized but I hope it will be when done. I was planing 9.5-10.0 compression, whatís your thoughts?

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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2018, 11:55:51 AM »
According to S&S you should be right in the compression sweet spot with that range.

I'd say 10:1...that cam has very similar specs to mine.

S&S says keep it 9.7 or below but I'd push that a little higher.
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« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2018, 05:39:39 PM »
Checked the run out, looks good for gear drives. So when time comes for a big bore and head work Iíll check to make sure it doesnít move and then might go to gears.

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« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2018, 06:19:33 PM »
Did you find any CYco pads?..At one time I was looking for some and could not find them. The only Cyco I can find is a  gasket company> If they were the ones making them I don't believe they do now. There are no tensioner pads listed among their current products. I did find this fella though http://twincamtensioner.com/

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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2018, 06:23:07 PM »
I did this kit Harley Twin Cam Timing Chain Tensioner 2 Shoes+2 Pins+Tool+Gaskets Kit 1999-2005 (2 Shoes+2 Pins+Tool+Gaskets) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M3SPIQI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_ThwxAbWBKS0W3

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« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2018, 06:33:36 PM »
 Excellent !
and for just the pads another source https://twinpower-usa.com/cam-chain-replacement-tensioner-shoes.html

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« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2018, 07:52:52 PM »
Have you tried California Phil?
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« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2018, 08:15:46 PM »
i  am afraid I don't know who that is .. Sounds like a colorful character from an old western   ha ha a. I am no longer seeking the pads. I  have the SE hydraulic cam plate now.



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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2018, 08:23:20 PM »
 Calif Phil is a vendor on here. He has great prices and great service. Just had his twenty year anniversary of being in business.
Look in the vendor section.
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Re: 2005 fxdi need your thoughts on direction
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2018, 06:52:31 PM »
Got some more parts in, the lifter holders was a 16$ splurge :-)





Old pads out the right one was the inner pad