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2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« on: October 26, 2017, 01:03:47 PM »
run 0 is 5th gear run 1 is 6th gear this is 100% stock bike has 4300 miles on it

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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2017, 01:07:31 PM »
Here I loaded the TTS  &  tuned and this is the end result again with all stock parts. The air cleaner is small and I will remove it in the testing of the Fulsac system to show a back to back with and without it .  Clutch is slipping pretty good at this point its not real happy . I do not know what springs are in it yet , But will know soon AIM SDR with the 130 springs will go on with the stage 1 kit

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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2017, 03:46:45 PM »
I bet as a stock bike that it feels better just with that tune.     :up:

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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2017, 04:29:59 PM »
So for about $50,000 you can get the same power and torque as a stage II 103.
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2017, 04:50:33 PM »
So for about $50,000 you can get the same power and torque as a stage II 103.

Damn, that's a little harsh you also get one handed saddle bag lids  :kick:

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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2017, 03:58:26 AM »
So for about $50,000 you can get the same power and torque as a stage II 103.
Nice work Steve on the Tune , I sure its a nice bike . I am the last one to give advice on Harleys .  I have a Street Glide 12 and a 13 Road Glide . If I have a problem I just carry them to Steve . Lesson learned

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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2017, 05:03:29 AM »
Well I do not see how cost of a vehicle has much to do with anything . Its just about data gathering at this point the 117 is the new big powerplant in the CVO line up.  So lets see what a stage one and stage two bring to the table .
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2017, 05:14:07 AM »
The air cleaner is small and I will remove it in the testing of the Fulsac system to show a back to back with and without it .

I really like this kind of back to back progressive testing, shows what a proper tune can do

Will you be using the CVO Power Cores? If not which muffler? I'm going to assume the MX head pipe is a given.

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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2017, 07:01:30 PM »
 :up: Great work Steve !  Amazing what a good tune can do, probably a much smoother engine and seat of the pants feel improvement overall.  Really like these comparisons... Keep up the good work.

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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2017, 03:15:46 PM »
so clutch is not happy cannot make low end pulls I have the SDR will be here tomorrow but I need to keep moving forward with the cam swap . Under the gun time wise .. Over all not bad at all. The Air filter is holding it back some . Not huge but enough .  Will keep posting as I move forward .


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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2017, 04:18:34 PM »
Great post
Too bad the clutch springs did not arrive in time for this testing, you really can't tell as much with it slipping all the way through the peak tq area. With that much hp gain from removing the air cleaner it will probably cost the new cam 5+ hp.
Looking forward to the clutch and cam graphs
Given the time spent on these tests we are all in your debt when you guys share the graphs for all to see.
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2017, 05:36:20 PM »
Pretty neat to see the changes along the path of upgrades.    :up:

Cam's will be interesting to see.   

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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2017, 05:25:39 AM »
Yes you can see the curve down low be slightly altered by the clutch and the over lay was done back to back in fact I ran it on then off and then back on to try to keep the temp as close as i had to make a change between the runs to keep it in line AFR wise . 



Looking at the sheet its 110  TQ by 2000 thats fine if you ask me , 105/122 for a stage 1 ..   So the avg CVO 110 made 92 and 112 on avg based on a 14 I looked at and came up with that avg .
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2017, 02:11:59 PM »

Here is the final on the build  Bolt in cam with the fulsac ex  130 lb springs and AIM SDR  Very nice overall in my opinion




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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2017, 02:17:11 PM »

Looks really good Steve.    :up:


That's a lot of usable power for day to day riding, or a trip across the country.


You should overlay the stock and stage 2 runs, that will be quite a transformation.   



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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2017, 02:21:33 PM »

Looks really good Steve.    :up:


That's a lot of usable power for day to day riding, or a trip across the country.


You should overlay the stock and stage 2 runs, that will be quite a transformation.

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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2017, 02:29:11 PM »



Looks really good Steve.    :up:


That's a lot of usable power for day to day riding, or a trip across the country.


You should overlay the stock and stage 2 runs, that will be quite a transformation.

dynorunShare_0 by GMR Performance, on Flickr



Now that really tells a story, from an ok bike to really fun to ride.
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2017, 05:31:50 AM »
Am I seeing that right, a stock motor will not pull to 5000 rpm's? Or is that where you stopped because power dropped off considerably? What is the stock redline?
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2017, 05:50:14 AM »
I think it's the stock limiter on M8's.
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2017, 06:15:03 AM »
I think it's the stock limiter on M8's.

Wow, a thousand rpm less than a stock twin cam.
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2017, 06:32:27 AM »
But a stock factory tuned Twin Cam doesn't make 110 TQ and 90 HP either.
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2017, 06:40:31 AM »
Am I seeing that right, a stock motor will not pull to 5000 rpm's? Or is that where you stopped because power dropped off considerably? What is the stock redline?
That's the speed governor.  Kicks in about 107 MPH, regardless of gear. TTS, DL, or PV can overrride that. ( or disconnect the VSS)

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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2017, 06:57:48 AM »
Am I seeing that right, a stock motor will not pull to 5000 rpm's? Or is that where you stopped because power dropped off considerably? What is the stock redline?
That's the speed governor.  Kicks in about 107 MPH, regardless of gear. TTS, DL, or PV can overrride that. ( or disconnect the VSS)

That makes more sense to me.

But a stock factory tuned Twin Cam doesn't make 110 TQ and 90 HP either.

That is also a good point.
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2017, 08:22:31 AM »
I have ridden the bike and I have to say it is very impressive and 1-2 , and 2-3 will loft the front wheel with ease. The amount of tq on tap just about anywhere makes passing a breeze. Lug the engine down , OK just roll the throttle and go . The CVO 117 is a killer package with this little cam and Ex system. I cannot really see doing anything else to it.. Other than just riding the wheels off it .
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2017, 12:50:26 PM »

Here is the final on the build  Bolt in cam with the fulsac ex  130 lb springs and AIM SDR  Very nice overall in my opinion




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What air cleaner was on for the final run?
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« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2017, 01:33:10 PM »
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2017, 05:50:46 PM »
Nice work !  No oil pump or sumping issues ?

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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2017, 04:22:45 AM »
    :agree:   ...nice work Steve.  :up:
  It's just hard for me to even consider spending over 40K for a CVO bike just to get a 117"...but it looks like the MoCo has stepped up the performance a bit if your willing and able to spend that kind of cash.
  I have restrained myself from buying an M8 with all the noted problems they have going on. It should be an excellent power plant once they get all the bugs ironed out of it. It still seems to me that the customer is going to be the beta tester for the MoCo. If I were to spend 40K+ on a bike...I would hope it would run perfect. That's a chance I'm not willing to take right now. I'll wait a few more years to see how things go.
  Keep up the great work. It's guys like you and Daren showing us real results with these M8's...with no smoke or mirrors.
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2017, 04:06:52 PM »
Great work as usual Steve  :  :up: :up:  looks a really nice strong running bike that would keep most riders happy  :bike:a shame that a person still has to go and dump more coin into something that's supposed to be the " flagship of the MoCo to achieve these kinds of results after spending almost double for a standard model.  Just sayin ....

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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2017, 07:21:40 PM »
I think any production vehicle could benefit from a good tune, they are built to be within a range of tolerence, not a super tight spec. Therefore, the factory tune has to be able to work within those wide specs. They can't build them with max performance parts and still offer long term warranties and generic tunes.
Even high performance vehicles (Porsche, Ferrari, etc.) would benefit from a good tune, maybe not results as dramatic as would happen with vehicles produced in high numbers, but still an improvement. A factory just can't take the time to dial in each vehicle individually. So I really can't blame Harley for not squeezing every bit of power out of their bikes. That's our job, if we choose.
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2017, 09:18:33 PM »
I think any production vehicle could benefit from a good tune, they are built to be within a range of tolerence, not a super tight spec. Therefore, the factory tune has to be able to work within those wide specs. They can't build them with max performance parts and still offer long term warranties and generic tunes.
Even high performance vehicles (Porsche, Ferrari, etc.) would benefit from a good tune, maybe not results as dramatic as would happen with vehicles produced in high numbers, but still an improvement. A factory just can't take the time to dial in each vehicle individually. So I really can't blame Harley for not squeezing every bit of power out of their bikes. That's our job, if we choose.

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Great work as usual Steve  :  :up: :up:  looks a really nice strong running bike that would keep most riders happy  :bike: a shame that a person still has to go and dump more coin into something that's supposed to be the " flagship of the MoCo to achieve these kinds of results after spending almost double for a standard model.  Just sayin ....

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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2017, 07:10:15 AM »
buy pre-owned or open your wallet wider if you want it optimized before you ride new...smfh

I doubt you can get 30 more horses out of your typical Japanese bike no matter stage I II or III.

Why does the HD Company sell a 117, a 114, and a 107?  There is really no more money in any one of them over the other at time of assembly into a motorcycle.  Would a buyer, given all three choices at the same cost to the buyer, really pick a smaller motor?

Why does the company sell a Stage II cam that is still EPA legal? Why not just install that cam at time of assembly?

HD deliberately "de-tunes" these bike to make money selling us parts we should have gotten in the first place.  Can you spell "-99C lifters)
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2017, 07:18:13 AM »
a CVO is not just about the engine . It is also about the custom colors the different rims painted inner fairing gauge package etc ..  its about options why does ford sell a platinum truck package ?? or Dodge a Laramie ?? I own a Laramie its WAY nice inside than the std trucks or for that fact anything but that package. Heated seats  air conditions seats , back up camera upgraded alpine sound system   just options has the same 6.7 cummins as the others do in the 2500 . shift of the fly 4x4 vs pulling a lever both do the same job .. I still do not see what the big deal is about cost that is your opinion . To me this is about the data gathering of testing the bike in each stage and seeing how it response's to the new parts . That is it ..

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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2017, 02:09:08 PM »
Had two Raptors. Way nicer than my uncles XLT.
Still ran better than stock with a “canned tune”.

Keep up the testing please. We know this is not “free”.
I try to support the shops on this site when getting work done and recommended
To my friends who do not participate in this site.
And prob will go back to a CVO in 2020.

Let’s not forget it was not to long ago that most just
want a flat 100ft lbs torque line.
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2017, 07:09:46 AM »
I apologize if I missed it, but what cam was used on the stage two?

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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2017, 07:39:17 AM »
the cam is a custom ground test unit so no real name for it . lift just over 460  small cam really compared to what most use . Tq curve was goal
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« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2017, 08:53:08 PM »
Awesome stuff.

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« Reply #37 on: December 23, 2017, 07:28:41 AM »
the cam is a custom ground test unit so no real name for it . lift just over 460  small cam really compared to what most use . Tq curve was goal

I think you should name the cam "AS-xxx" xxx being what ever lift the cam is, and the AS is "Arm Stretcher"       :chop:


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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2017, 01:24:13 PM »

Here is the final on the build  Bolt in cam with the fulsac ex  130 lb springs and AIM SDR  Very nice overall in my opinion




JL 18 CVO 117 with fulsac and cam by GMR Performance, on Flickr

That is very nice.  Looks like a blast to ride.  Are you going to be selling that cam?  I already have the MX head pipe and cores on my 18 CVO RG.  Very nice numbers for a very modest investment. 
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Re: 2018, 117", FLTRSEI, completely stock
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2017, 04:24:14 PM »
Yes I think I may sell the New cam
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