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2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2017, 10:58:55 AM »
   very nice!  :up:
you have became quite the tuner.  :wink:
You got it going on there my friend!
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2017, 11:49:25 AM »
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2017, 01:30:37 PM »
Do you know what the difference is between the 570 and the 570-2 ?
I am an adult?? When did that happen, and how do I make it stop?!

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2017, 01:38:31 PM »
Do you know what the difference is between the 570 and the 570-2 ?
Wes made some small changes in timing to enhance the torque.

This was with 2.250" baffles and they didn't appear to hurt a thing.
   very nice!  :up:
you have became quite the tuner.  :wink:
You got it going on there my friend!
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2017, 06:16:49 PM »
That's beautiful, Daren  :up:
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2017, 07:41:41 PM »
I would take that all day long. Nice!
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2017, 06:16:36 AM »
Do you know what the difference is between the 570 and the 570-2 ?

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2017, 10:12:26 AM »
pretty sweet graph right there  :up: :up:
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2017, 05:14:36 PM »
Do you know what the difference is between the 570 and the 570-2 ?
Wes made some small changes in timing to enhance the torque.

Torque and HP runs about the same between the two cams, the -2 comes on a bit earlier is all?
I am an adult?? When did that happen, and how do I make it stop?!

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2017, 07:40:09 PM »
Do you know what the difference is between the 570 and the 570-2 ?
Wes made some small changes in timing to enhance the torque.

Torque and HP runs about the same between the two cams, the -2 comes on a bit earlier is all?
Wes' goal was to bring the torque in sooner, and retain the horsepower. With this being the first one that I've tuned and with the larger baffles, I feel real good about it.

Would have been nice to have some 2.00" on hand to try, it will happen eventually.

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2017, 09:39:06 PM »
what size cores are regular Crushers?

another muffler I liked the look of are the Two Brothers chrome / carbon fiber end ...any idea if these are good?
looked good to me but I'm no expert  :nix:
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2017, 06:35:22 PM »
what size cores are regular Crushers?

another muffler I liked the look of are the Two Brothers chrome / carbon fiber end ...any idea if these are good?
looked good to me but I'm no expert  :nix:
Sorry Michael I missed this question, but the Crusher's have 2" baffles.

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2017, 09:11:43 PM »
thanks D...they work great on my bike but I really like the looks of the Two Bros. Racing mufflers with carbon fiber tips

I think they are +/- 2.0" spiral louvered baffle if I remember correctly?  :nix:

do you think I would lose any performance with them?
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2017, 06:00:53 AM »
thanks D...they work great on my bike but I really like the looks of the Two Bros. Racing mufflers with carbon fiber tips

I think they are +/- 2.0" spiral louvered baffle if I remember correctly?  :nix:

do you think I would lose any performance with them?
There is only one way to know for sure.

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2017, 07:48:28 PM »
Do you know what the difference is between the 570 and the 570-2 ?
Wes made some small changes in timing to enhance the torque.

Torque and HP runs about the same between the two cams, the -2 comes on a bit earlier is all?
Wes' goal was to bring the torque in sooner, and retain the horsepower. With this being the first one that I've tuned and with the larger baffles, I feel real good about it.

Would have been nice to have some 2.00" on hand to try, it will happen eventually.
  I would like to try some of his camshafts at some point in a 124 , I just have to see how it goes .  Great job as usual on the tune

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2017, 03:25:53 AM »
Looks good

There was a 120" engine with 575 cams in it not long back
Made 126/139 and shut off like a light switch at about 4900
Torque curve was pretty nice for a thunderheader

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2017, 09:18:55 AM »
I'm gonna try a set of 575's in my 103, replacing Andrews 54's installed 4* advanced

I may have too much compression to get the most out of them, time will tell

Not sure why they (or any performance cam with some decent overlap) would shut of @ 4900, but I've been interested in these cams for a long time - well before Durwood starting using them. I was always just too cheap to buy anything at full price (bought my 54's used from an HTT member).

As we all know, the more cubes the smaller the cam will act, so maybe at 120" they're just not enough?

I'm always thinking about a bigger motor too...but can't seem to decide where to draw the line of the amount of money to put in this bike. If I knew it was my last one, I'd go all in. But pretty sure I'll want a new one in a couple years.
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2017, 05:48:01 PM »
SF. Did you put in the 575's? If so what do you think of them?

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2017, 06:58:59 PM »
SF. Did you put in the 575's? If so what do you think of them?

not yet Harv...have been considering going bigger

are you thinking about trying them? I know in the right application they are awfully hard to beat  :up: :up:
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2017, 01:09:21 AM »
When I see these graph, I think about swapping my 57H for those CR570-2

What diff can be expected with the 0.030HG (already have) ?

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2017, 04:15:54 AM »
When I see these graph, I think about swapping my 57H for those CR570-2

What diff can be expected with the 0.030HG (already have) ?
You will pick up on the left and lose a little on the right.

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2017, 08:44:40 PM »
When I see these graph, I think about swapping my 57H for those CR570-2

What diff can be expected with the 0.030HG (already have) ?

I wouldn't bother to do that swap. You might gain 5-10 ftlbs early on, but loose a couple HP up high. You might notice the difference, or maybe not.
It would be a different deal starting with a fresh cam swap coming from stock. I have run the 57's in a 103" and I still can not decide between the two as I like to wind 'er up once in a while too.
I am an adult?? When did that happen, and how do I make it stop?!

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2017, 02:16:19 AM »
thanks guys ;)

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2017, 04:31:58 AM »
Frederic, I did the swap from the 57's to a CR-570 and it was worth it for me, I had a .030" head gasket as well.

You will feel the torque gains on the left, but you won't feel the slight reduction in peak horsepower.

Going to the Cycle-Rama grind eliminated the blip and slip needed to get the bike moving on take off and greatly reduced the amount of shifting needed when traveling the curvy, 2 lane roads.

I don't know what you have for exhaust, but that is key as well to getting the bike to not feel sluggish on the bottom. Kury Mellow's work well also Fullsac mufflers with 2" baffles get the job done, I tested both of these mufflers along with others and they ended up on the top of the list.

Fullsac muffler's with 1.75" cores would even be better for low end torque but the 2" have a touch more rumble.

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2017, 06:01:09 AM »
I did looked at the graph where you compare the CR570 (not the 570-2) against the 57H :wink:

I like the way my bike behave,except that there is a dip the VE at 2750 and mostly 3000rpms that i'ld like to get rid of... I suspect it to be caused by the pipes (and cam overlap), mufflers are V&H Twin Slash 3" slip-ons with the stock spiral louvered baffle (don't know the size). I suspect there is better slipons for a Dyna out there, but i don't know wich ones (and may switch to a 2-1 into later)...

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2017, 06:46:33 AM »
The -2 is a touch shorter than the 570, either one will yield comparable results.

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2017, 06:37:00 AM »
I know this is not a topic about that but any hint for the dip a 2750/3000 with my build ?

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2017, 07:54:43 AM »
Frédéric, may I suggest that you start a topic with your build details and dyno graph if you have one? It would benefit us all.
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2017, 04:57:27 PM »
SF. Did you put in the 575's? If so what do you think of them?

not yet Harv...have been considering going bigger

are you thinking about trying them? I know in the right application they are awfully hard to beat  :up: :up:

SF: I am thinking about either the 570-2s or getting some head work and using the 575s. I have a 15 wethead with fullsac dx pipe and mellows. I am not sure I will be satisfied with the stock heads and 570-2. And I would hate to have to do it a second time...


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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2017, 03:53:19 AM »
SF. Did you put in the 575's? If so what do you think of them?

not yet Harv...have been considering going bigger

are you thinking about trying them? I know in the right application they are awfully hard to beat  :up: :up:

SF: I am thinking about either the 570-2s or getting some head work and using the 575s. I have a 15 wethead with fullsac dx pipe and mellows. I am not sure I will be satisfied with the stock heads and 570-2. And I would hate to have to do it a second time...
If pulling and porting the heads, I would do an SE 110 drop in with the CR-575's. There are a couple of those here in the dyno section.

However a Stage 2 is the best bang for the buck, and I think you will be surprised at how well the 570-2's feel in this set up.

I have a 2016 Twin Cooled 103 coming in today for a stage 2 package and will post the results upon completion.

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2017, 01:46:49 PM »
If pulling and porting the heads, I would do an SE 110 drop in with the CR-575's. There are a couple of those here in the dyno section.

2 years ago I was the first to post the success of that combo over
on hdforums with machine work by my good friend Scott P.
All I ask from those enjoying that awesome duplicated build is
a simple thank you. Haaaaa
« Last Edit: December 30, 2017, 06:41:47 AM by FSG »
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2017, 07:43:36 PM »
If pulling and porting the heads, I would do an SE 110 drop in with the CR-575's. There are a couple of those here in the dyno section.

2 years ago I was the first to post the success of that combo over
on hdforums with machine work by my good friend Scott P.
All I ask from those enjoying that awesome duplicated build is
a simple thank you. Haaaaa

I'm looking at boxes of parts as I'm sitting here typing this, and thanking you in advance, Dave. Also taking the time to thank Daren for all his help and advice over the last year. Hoping to start the surgery soon...
« Last Edit: December 30, 2017, 06:42:47 AM by FSG »

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2017, 03:15:14 AM »
If pulling and porting the heads, I would do an SE 110 drop in with the CR-575's. There are a couple of those here in the dyno section.

2 years ago I was the first to post the success of that combo over
on hdforums with machine work by my good friend Scott P.
All I ask from those enjoying that awesome duplicated build is
a simple thank you. Haaaaa

110" with CR-575's? Herko was doing those back in 2008. He was the guy that turned me onto Cycle-Rama about 4 years ago. Great cams!!
« Last Edit: December 30, 2017, 06:43:26 AM by FSG »

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2017, 07:18:40 AM »
If pulling and porting the heads, I would do an SE 110 drop in with the CR-575's. There are a couple of those here in the dyno section.

2 years ago I was the first to post the success of that combo over
on hdforums with machine work by my good friend Scott P.
All I ask from those enjoying that awesome duplicated build is
a simple thank you. Haaaaa

110" with CR-575's? Herko was doing those back in 2008. He was the guy that turned me onto Cycle-Rama about 4 years ago. Great cams!!
Cycle -Rama has impressed me more than a few times with impressive builds especially the 630i

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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2017, 01:14:24 PM »
If pulling and porting the heads, I would do an SE 110 drop in with the CR-575's. There are a couple of those here in the dyno section.

2 years ago I was the first to post the success of that combo over
on hdforums with machine work by my good friend Scott P.
All I ask from those enjoying that awesome duplicated build is
a simple thank you. Haaaaa

110" with CR-575's? Herko was doing those back in 2008. He was the guy that turned me onto Cycle-Rama about 4 years ago. Great cams!!
Cycle -Rama has impressed me more than a few times with impressive builds especially the 630i

Agreed. But interestingly when asked he doesn’t really suggest the 630 in a big build. His 651 gets all the praise and rightfully so it’s a beastly cam, in a good buddies 124 just last month.
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2017, 04:49:24 PM »
 I ran the 651's in my 124, and now run the 630i's. They both are badass cams.  :up:
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2018, 11:13:42 AM »
SF. Did you put in the 575's? If so what do you think of them?

not yet Harv...have been considering going bigger

are you thinking about trying them? I know in the right application they are awfully hard to beat  :up: :up:

SF: I am thinking about either the 570-2s or getting some head work and using the 575s. I have a 15 wethead with fullsac dx pipe and mellows. I am not sure I will be satisfied with the stock heads and 570-2. And I would hate to have to do it a second time...

Harv, the 2014-2016 bikes have a decent cam stock - they just need mufflers and a good dyno tune to shine. That being said, I would follow Daren's / Durwood's advice. The 570 w/tune will wake the bike up considerably and the 575's will shine also but really need more squeeze to be optimized.

If it's in the budget do a drop-in 110 kit, they can be had for under a grand the last time I checked at HD online dealers that offer discounts. The heads will benefit from porting but I'd choose the cubic inches over porting if forced to make the choice.

If the heads come off, even something as simple as a performance valve job by a knowledgeable machinist will offer some gains at a low price.

Given my druthers (and since we're spending your money) I'd do both...and a clutch upgrade.

Viola...night and day transformation  :bike:
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2018, 05:42:47 AM »
Durwood How would a Rush 2 into 1 header do on this setup? Are the Rush pipes any good?
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Re: 2012, 103", FLHX, Stage 2, Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2018, 06:40:34 AM »
Durwood How would a Rush 2 into 1 header do on this setup? Are the Rush pipes any good?
Yes, the Wrath works well..

With a 2.250" baffle it should bring the torque in sooner than this one did.