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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2018, 10:27:41 AM »
It seems that all of the motors that you all are talking about  are liquid cooled . Could this be why the nik is not as good in an air cooled motor ?
Aircraft industry would disagree with that statement.
Ron

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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2018, 10:42:43 AM »
Ya think? LOL
There is no end to the experts in a forum....
Once in awhile the plating will fail on them too.
But seriously,  Like I have said so many times..it is not the material, it is the application.
Speaking of Franklin 210 HP...
i need some usable cylinders if you run across them.
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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2018, 10:45:17 AM »
Pretty hard to pass judgment on the process when there is only one game in the harley biz don't you think?

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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2018, 10:59:10 AM »
I just got off the phone with EBS.
Yes they still do them.
talk to -
Don Weaver.
EBS Racing
They do literally 10000s of all kinds of cylinders.
Every month.
They did my Porsche a long long time ago.
So without reservation i recommend EBS
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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2018, 11:18:51 AM »
I just got off the phone with EBS.
Yes they still do them.
talk to -
Don Weaver.
EBS Racing
They do literally 10000s of all kinds of cylinders.
Every month.
They did my Porsche a long long time ago.
So without reservation i recommend EBS
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Where would someone get an all aluminum/un-lined harley cylinder for EBS to plate?
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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2018, 11:44:36 AM »
Ya think? LOL
There is no end to the experts in a forum....
Once in awhile the plating will fail on them too.
But seriously,  Like I have said so many times..it is not the material, it is the application.
Speaking of Franklin 210 HP...
i need some usable cylinders if you run across them.

New ones join every day then we have to go through the entire education process again.

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You should do a search on this subject in the different areas of this forum and read all the information already posted. HD cylinders have a unique design that adds some complications to the proven process of plated cylinders.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2018, 11:51:29 AM by 1FSTRK »
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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2018, 12:30:33 PM »
Ya think? LOL
There is no end to the experts in a forum....
Once in awhile the plating will fail on them too.
But seriously,  Like I have said so many times..it is not the material, it is the application.
Speaking of Franklin 210 HP...
i need some usable cylinders if you run across them.
Sorry, I've been out of the loop for a while. Is that for a rotorcraft, possibly Hiller? 6V-335-B  210hp @ 3100 rpms.
Ron

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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2018, 12:33:00 PM »
Ya think? LOL
There is no end to the experts in a forum....
Once in awhile the plating will fail on them too.
But seriously,  Like I have said so many times..it is not the material, it is the application.
Speaking of Franklin 210 HP...
i need some usable cylinders if you run across them.

New ones join every day then we have to go through the entire education process again.

Added
You should do a search on this subject in the different areas of this forum and read all the information already posted. HD cylinders have a unique design that adds some complications to the proven process of plated cylinders.
Not exactly a word I'd use. :wink:
Ron

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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2018, 12:36:13 PM »
Ya think? LOL
There is no end to the experts in a forum....
Once in awhile the plating will fail on them too.
But seriously,  Like I have said so many times..it is not the material, it is the application.
Speaking of Franklin 210 HP...
i need some usable cylinders if you run across them.

New ones join every day then we have to go through the entire education process again.

Added
You should do a search on this subject in the different areas of this forum and read all the information already posted. HD cylinders have a unique design that adds some complications to the proven process of plated cylinders.
Not exactly a word I'd use. :wink:
Ron

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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2018, 01:39:42 PM »
Ya think? LOL
There is no end to the experts in a forum....
Once in awhile the plating will fail on them too.
But seriously,  Like I have said so many times..it is not the material, it is the application.
Speaking of Franklin 210 HP...
i need some usable cylinders if you run across them.
Sorry, I've been out of the loop for a while. Is that for a rotorcraft, possibly Hiller? 6V-335-B  210hp @ 3100 rpms.
Ron

Yes a Hiller You are right!
AND  it is the 210 version.
Bigger is better, in this case.and .I am not too picky.
they make a STC for slightly bigger version...
These are so old no one looks at much.

Also-If you ever run into a turbo charge system for one please let me know
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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2018, 01:43:57 PM »
Ya think? LOL
There is no end to the experts in a forum....
Once in awhile the plating will fail on them too.
But seriously,  Like I have said so many times..it is not the material, it is the application.
Speaking of Franklin 210 HP...
i need some usable cylinders if you run across them.
Sorry, I've been out of the loop for a while. Is that for a rotorcraft, possibly Hiller? 6V-335-B  210hp @ 3100 rpms.
Ron

Yes a Hiller You are right!
AND  it is the 210 version.
Bigger is better, in this case.and .I am not too picky.
they make a STC for slightly bigger version...
These are so old no one looks at much.

Also-If you ever run into a turbo charge system for one please let me know
Will do.
Ron

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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2018, 02:03:43 PM »
Thanx!

Now back to the regularly scheduled   program
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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2018, 05:16:46 AM »
I just got off the phone with EBS.
Yes they still do them.
talk to -
Don Weaver.
EBS Racing
They do literally 10000s of all kinds of cylinders.
Every month.
They did my Porsche a long long time ago.
So without reservation i recommend EBS
Don Weaver     1 775 673 1300

No more whining

Where would someone get an all aluminum/un-lined harley cylinder for EBS to plate?


Pretty relevant question.   :up:

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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2018, 12:27:45 PM »
You guys like to fuss about much.
Nah nah I am right Your wrong, we are teenie boppers here, big blah blah blah!
I know more than you, like children
Why not Call them up ?,
 I did,
They said the could do it...why carry on like you have a bone to pick?
Go join a bingo club for gods sake.
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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2018, 09:54:08 AM »
It seems that all of the motors that you all are talking about  are liquid cooled . Could this be why the nik is not as good in an air cooled motor ?
Aircraft industry would disagree with that statement.
Ron
I was just asking . Also an aircraft motor is running most of the time in cold temps . I was just wondering if the extreme heat had something to do with it .

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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2018, 10:43:51 AM »
Again as I will often repeat myself -
 Look to Porsche for answers for engines.
Look to the military for answers to helicopters.
A helicopter recip is using lots of power at hover .
Yes, they have a fan to run air over the air-cooled cylinders, but they, however, they are air cooled.
They work way harder than any HD engine ever will and TBO is usually 1600 to 2000 HRS.
I have been on both teams , not an expert but I know a couple things.
Porsche has made 12 cylinder air cooled race engines way over a 1000 HP.
The flat 6 AA  is quite common to find on the street near 600p
Keep in mind the turbo  TQ COMES ON now.
The 911 / 930  ran all niky in the high-end stuff.
Again it is NoT the material.
It is the procedure that fails.
It happens but not often in the real world.
I am not sure who has been doing the Harley stuff you guys complain about, ,
 but transparently they are not doing it correctly if they all fail.
Remember what crazy is, -doing it the same way and expecting.................different results.
Move on .
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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2018, 12:32:10 PM »
It seems that all of the motors that you all are talking about  are liquid cooled . Could this be why the nik is not as good in an air cooled motor ?
Aircraft industry would disagree with that statement.
Ron
I was just asking . Also an aircraft motor is running most of the time in cold temps . I was just wondering if the extreme heat had something to do with it .
Aircraft engines are designed to run in extreme cold and extreme heat so I doubt there is a connection. What they do have is baffling to direct cooling air around the cyls so cooling is even and the fin mass is very equal around the bore. HD has uneven cooling around the uneven fin mass around the barrels so they can distort as a result. Oddly enough fan cooled engines like in helicopters seldom have warped cyls due to well thought out air direction around the cyls and they cannot be shock cooled. On a fixed wing, one can shock cool them that can screw them up. Climb out, then a long decent at idle will cost you some $$$ next annual inspection.  Some pilots are idiots with poor engine management skills.
Ron

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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2018, 12:39:44 PM »
Perhaps Harley jugs just are not a stable platform?
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Re: Revolution Performance 85" evo kit experience?
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2018, 01:21:01 PM »
Perhaps Harley jugs just are not a stable platform?
I never thought so but what do I know. Run them, exposed to many heat cycles and the next hone/bore oversize they seem to retain shape better, at least the impression I got.
Ron