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Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« on: January 14, 2018, 01:06:43 PM »
2014 Ultra with V&H Power Duals, SE aircleaner, Reinharts and PowerVision. Have a lifter noise at 25000 mile so going in and replace the lifters with some NOS b model lifters. I Might as well replace the cams and inner bearings with the full compliment version. Are 57s worth the labor? I have read mixed opinions. What do the learned on HTT think?
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2018, 01:50:22 PM »
Yes, however you will need a tune, also.
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2018, 02:08:15 PM »
Definitely worth it. Might even consider a Comp 3102, less money and a great cam
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2018, 02:32:56 PM »
Definitely worth it. Might even consider a Comp 3102, less money and a great cam
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2018, 03:39:22 PM »
2014 Ultra with V&H Power Duals, SE aircleaner, Reinharts and PowerVision. Have a lifter noise at 25000 mile so going in and replace the lifters with some NOS b model lifters. I Might as well replace the cams and inner bearings with the full compliment version. Are 57s worth the labor? I have read mixed opinions. What do the learned on HTT think?

Are they the best bolt in cam available? No.
Are they better than what is in there? Definitely.
Are they worth the effort if you have them, they are given to you, get them cheap, or are on a budget again definitely.

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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2018, 04:03:45 PM »
What is the best bolt in cam for a Rushmore?
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2018, 04:08:30 PM »
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2018, 04:11:30 PM »
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2018, 04:20:38 PM »
The 57s get some bad press.... maybe deserved IDK. I do know that as mentioned, without a tune don't bother. This chart was my 103 with AC, Power Duals/Twin Slash mufflers, powervision & a lot of autotune runs...

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 Later in life it pulled 109/119 with headwork, drop in 110, but still with the 57s. It's a wethead & think the compression helped a bit.

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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2018, 04:25:59 PM »
Was always an under performer as a bolt in with headwork compression much better cams

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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2018, 05:03:55 PM »
Ordered the Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams. Already have a set of Smith adjustables. Waiting on FEDEX now. Thank you for the much needed information.
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2018, 05:09:26 PM »
Ordered the Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams. Already have a set of Smith adjustables. Waiting on FEDEX now. Thank you for the much needed information.
 
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2018, 06:11:49 PM »
Let us know how you like them.
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2018, 06:49:25 PM »
power vision installed and I have target tune that i have not installed yet
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2018, 07:19:18 PM »
Should be a good runner.
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2018, 09:39:33 PM »
Well that escalated quickly!  I'm trying to just leave this motor stock, but that CR 570 looks excellent. 

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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2018, 05:55:34 AM »
Yes went from changing a noisy lifter to a "high end" cam swap. Oh well who want to be the richest man in the cemetery.
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2018, 06:10:56 AM »
For just a bolt in, the 57 is better than stock but nothing to write home about. Give it a little head work and a little compression and it does ok.

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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2018, 08:40:50 AM »
If you look at Dyno runs, Durwood has posted comparisons of 103" with the 57 vs. the CR570. The 570 did a bit better with low end torque and the higher RPM  HP was about the same for both. So the CR570 is a better cam, but not by a huge difference.

If I was going to put cams in my Rushmore the CR570 would be my first choice, the 57 second choice.
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2018, 03:20:02 PM »
I've always done well with the TW57 cams. With and without head work. :wink:
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2018, 03:32:35 PM »
Whats the opinion on V&H Powerduals? They came on the bike and I like the look.  Will they cost any real power? Some tuners don't like them.
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2018, 06:21:45 AM »
I've always done well with the TW57 cams. With and without head work. :wink:
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2018, 06:44:14 AM »
The rushmore engines run very well in stock form . A good tune wakes them right up.. I feel that for the money invested in adding a cam to that engine its not the best money spent. Sure you gain the Hp side tq goes up a bit . But when you figure in the cost f parts and tune .. Not the best return for your money..    If you look at TQ as that is what you are feeling for the most part anyways.. A HO stock cam will make 105 on avg . So you can 5 + on tq  again avg numbers ..  :idunno:



I would suggest leave it alone tune it or save your money , add a 110 Drop on kit then the cam you want ... being that 108/120 is what I would call AVG numbers for a 110 kit .. Use the SE kit search the web for discounts etc ..  I understand that we all start with a budget . Those silly drop on kits really make the customers smile . Not had one customer complain after it was done. Many wanted ported heads etc on a 103 or 107 kit .   and I  over laid the dyno sheets, showed them cost of both kits   .. hard to go wrong with it.

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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2018, 11:13:53 AM »
I went with Cycle Rama 575 cams for my bike. Not installed yet but I did see what they do in the Dyno section.
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2018, 11:40:53 AM »
Don't forget, a lot of the before and after Rushmore Dyno runs are bone stock before, no tune, as they are out of the box. After is pipes, cam and tune. Just a tune and different head pipe in a Rushmore really wakes them up. I Know it made a bunch of difference in mine.

Durwood had a run, stock versus pipe and tune in the Dyno section.
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2018, 12:26:30 PM »
Might do a 110 drop on kit next year. How would these cycle-ram 570-2 work with this displacement?
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2018, 08:53:15 PM »
Ordered the Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams. Already have a set of Smith adjustables. Waiting on FEDEX now. Thank you for the much needed information.

you'll be pleased  :up:

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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2018, 01:12:39 PM »
Might do a 110 drop on kit next year. How would these cycle-ram 570-2 work with this displacement?

Did you have it dyno'd after installing the cr 570 cams? I have the same bike and curious how this might change torque and hp.

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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2018, 01:22:37 PM »
Ordered the Cycle-Rama 570-2 cams. Already have a set of Smith adjustables. Waiting on FEDEX now. Thank you for the much needed information.

you'll be pleased  :up:

get a dyno tune if it's in the budget  :wink:

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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2018, 05:24:38 PM »
I have one in my 110 CVO. Goes quite well. high flow air cleaner, V&H 2 into 2, pistons decked, beehive prongs. Nothing else done.
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2018, 09:49:38 AM »
Cycle Rama 570-2 cams are in and there is a nice bump in in seat of the pants feel. Originally started this quest because I had a lifter noise. Used a set of new old stock b lifters and this bike is quieter than new, no ticking at all. Maybe one of the quietest twin cams I have ever heard. I tried to use a Fuel Moto map but the bike would not run past 4000 rpm. Pulled a power Vision map off the power vision site and bike runs good. I will take it and have it tuned in a couple of weeks. I have had Fuel Moto send me 2 maps and they wont work for my scooter  but the maps off the PV site work. Why would this happen?
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2018, 10:52:34 AM »
If you can handle driving 250 miles there is a tuner in Evansville, IN that will do a great job for you on the dyno work


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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2018, 10:56:24 AM »
You also have these fellers a little north east of you in Mohawk Tennessee. They can help you out as well.


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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2018, 11:06:11 AM »
and they're a little closer @ 200 miles
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2018, 02:20:12 PM »
Customer's  103" 2015 Street Glide in for cams, pipe, and a/cleaner.
Tw 57 cams & inner bearings. quick install p/rods, D&D fat cat, hi-flow a/cleaner using the stock outer cover.
Mapped with Power Vision locally. May have left a couple on the table, only 32 psi in the rear tire.
What's not to like about the TW 57 cams?  It will make decent numbers with head work down the road, when "biko-boredom" sets in. :wink:
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2018, 11:04:17 PM »
Customer's  103" 2015 Street Glide in for cams, pipe, and a/cleaner.
Tw 57 cams & inner bearings. quick install p/rods, D&D fat cat, hi-flow a/cleaner using the stock outer cover.
Mapped with Power Vision locally. May have left a couple on the table, only 32 psi in the rear tire.
What's not to like about the TW 57 cams?  It will make decent numbers with head work down the road, when "biko-boredom" sets in. :wink:
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Re: Andrews 57H worth it in a Rushmore?
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2018, 07:08:09 AM »
Cycle Rama 570-2 cams are in and there is a nice bump in in seat of the pants feel. Originally started this quest because I had a lifter noise. Used a set of new old stock b lifters and this bike is quieter than new, no ticking at all. Maybe one of the quietest twin cams I have ever heard. I tried to use a Fuel Moto map but the bike would not run past 4000 rpm. Pulled a power Vision map off the power vision site and bike runs good. I will take it and have it tuned in a couple of weeks. I have had Fuel Moto send me 2 maps and they wont work for my scooter  but the maps off the PV site work. Why would this happen?
You made the right call IMO.

I have run both of these cams, and the seat of the pants difference off the bottom is very noticeable between the two.