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NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« on: February 11, 2017, 12:06:42 PM »
According to the Pomona TV race coverage NHRA will have the Top Fuel Harley class at several national events this year.
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rules should hold them at about 230 mph 1/4 speeds
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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2017, 12:43:27 PM »
Top Fuel Motorcycle is racing with the NHRA right now at Pomona.
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2017, 01:48:56 PM »
Yes FOXS1 has coverage all weekend.
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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2017, 05:13:11 AM »
got a lot of friends out there right now,looking to ride a T/Fer at a couple closer NHRA races,BTW,230 is a VERY good MPH,rules are not "holding" them anywhere.T/F ers usually will run 200-225,with ET`s in the mid six range (6.13 is the quickest ever,DJ Johnson`s bike),which I happen to do the heads & other machine work on

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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2017, 06:20:34 AM »
Great to hear your work is out there running strong. We will be watching for you when the races get to where you are out there riding.  :up: :up:

As for the rules, every racer knows that if not for the rules the speeds would be faster. NHRA likes to keep each class within a certain speed range for "Safety" reasons.
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2017, 06:27:20 AM »
As for the rules, every racer knows that if not for the rules the speeds would be faster. NHRA likes to keep each class within a certain speed range for "Safety" reasons.

^^ Really???

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2017, 06:45:48 AM »
Not sure where all the resistance is coming from  :scratch:
There is NO speed limit rule, But they have been making race rules to try and keep speeds to what they feel is reasonable for years. Insurance as well as safety become factors. It was widely stated after the death of Scott Kalitta  that the Fuel car classes would be running 1000' instead of the 1/4 mile to keep speeds down. They have changed the Nitro % a few times stating that they needed to keep speeds down. Do you really thing that the chassis and engine rules are no the reason that the Prostock bikes cannot go faster? And isn't it a coincidence that for years the record is just tenths of a mph under 200 mph?  Any proracer  I have ever known has said that if they could go faster if they could do anything they wanted, but that would break the rules. Don't forget they mandated revlimiters on the pro-classes.
You can go as quick as you want but there is only so much room to slow down at many tracks so the speed has to be limited.

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You do not have to believe me, ask any NHRA pro class racer or crew chief, or just Google it.

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http://www.dragracingonline.com/analysis/xvi_1-slower-1.html
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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2017, 05:38:03 PM »
The T/F harleys run a lot of sanctoning bodies besides NHRA (been racing on and off with the NHRA as a "exhibition  class for years),100% nitro,no "speed safety" rules,they do around 210-225,230 would be a very,very fast pass.dont need to goggle anything as i work on the bikes & work with the crew chiefs on a regular basis
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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2017, 05:42:09 PM »
BTW,check the speeds the F/C & T/F cars are doing now,as fast or faster than when it was 1/4,the NHRA can call it what they want,but the 1000' rule came from the crew chiefs calling for it as the most engine damage was happening in the last 300',expense issue.not a "safety" issue

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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2017, 07:29:37 PM »
Well the speeds have been close to the old 1/4 mile record speeds a couple times and each time the NHRA has made changes to re-lower them.

 Notice the word "slower" is actually in the title of the link
http://www.dragracingonline.com/analysis/xvi_1-slower-1.html
From the linked article,

"The problem was that, despite constant changes the NHRA has mandated to slow the cars down such as shortening the track length for nitro cars to 1,000 feet instead of 1320 and initially reducing the maximum rpm, the racers found ways to circumvent those measures and defeat what the rev-limiter was supposed to do. Despite those changes, in 2013 Top Fuel cars were again running 328+ mph trap speeds.

At about the halfway point of last season, the NHRA tech department, under the direction of Glen Gray and with help from the rev-limiter manufacturer, MSD, instituted a testing program that included again reducing max rpm and controlling when and how much timing increase the crew chiefs could program into the ignition system.

Some crew chiefs have told me that drivers routinely keep the throttle open for a full quarter mile instead of 1,000 feet resulting in a true top speed significantly over 330 mph. But it should be noted that in 2013 only one NHRA Top Fueler went over 330 mph and that was in testing. During the 2013 season, NHRA’s Top Fuel cars attained speeds in the 327-328+ mph range and once again they were going within five mph of the speeds that NHRA said was too fast for some if not all of NHRA’s tracks when they implemented the 1,000-foot rule."


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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2017, 04:53:55 AM »
OK,"joe drag racer"  :hyst:

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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2017, 06:25:39 AM »
I will say that the Reason Pro Fuel is Not as Fast as Top Fuel...is the Rules!!!
Be Quite the Sanction that operated without Rules...Huh?

Lots of passes made that are Faster than the Record...Quicker sometimes also...which is What Wins Races!!!
That is why there is the rule about "back-up" passes...
BTW What are the NHRA Records for TFH????  Hmmm

Speaking of Rules....I think I'll go make some!!!  LOL
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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2017, 04:30:07 AM »
I will say that the Reason Pro Fuel is Not as Fast as Top Fuel...is the Rules!!!
Be Quite the Sanction that operated without Rules...Huh?

Lots of passes made that are Faster than the Record...Quicker sometimes also...which is What Wins Races!!!
That is why there is the rule about "back-up" passes...
BTW What are the NHRA Records for TFH????  Hmmm

Speaking of Rules....I think I'll go make some!!!  LOL
Books anyway!!! Don't get nervous Kirby!!

if your referring to my response with this marty,i never said there are no rules,but there are no rules to purposely slow down bikes for safety reasons

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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2017, 06:31:41 AM »
No Kirby...the only reference for you, was to not Worry about Rule Changes...
Working on the Book...not the Rules...
On Rules purposely restricting Top Speeds...we Agree....

I still do wonder tho....What are the "records" for TFH in NHRA???

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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2017, 06:45:03 AM »
ide have to assume its jays 6.27 @ 220 something he ran last weekend (first real race as a class,race,so I don't think theres any "records" from just when it was exhibition)

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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2017, 07:37:27 AM »
All I know is I'm glad they are bringing the TF Harleys to the Heartland Park Topeka Kansas event. Hell we couldn't even get the Pro stock bikes here. I e-mailed NHRA years ago suggesting they consider rotating the PS bike schedule so the venues that never got to see them might get them every 3 maybe 4 years or so. I didn't expect a reply and didn't get one and no, we never got the PS bikes either.

Years ago I think for one year only, they did a PF/TF HD exhibition, only had maybe 8 bikes and ran them after the PS cars. About 70% of the crowd left to go to the pits. I hope we get a big bike count and they market the class well before and during the race so people will stay in their seats. Nothing like watching a TF H-D carry the front wheel to half track to make you a believer.

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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2017, 07:48:25 AM »
^^ Been my Experience that TF is getting more and more expensive.  And the average "customer" won't pay for it... A few cry about not having it...but even fewer are willing to pay more for them!
In My world Anyway!!!
BTW when you see a Street Tire bike without a bar go 160+MPH in the 8's...it is pretty Friggin Cool too!!!!
Watching a Top Fueler that does 8's???? Not so much!!!!!

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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2017, 08:04:14 AM »
BTW,check the speeds the F/C & T/F cars are doing now,as fast or faster than when it was 1/4,the NHRA can call it what they want,but the 1000' rule came from the crew chiefs calling for it as the most engine damage was happening in the last 300',expense issue.not a "safety" issue


Really?
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20131109/nhra-debate-rages-on-1000-vs-traditional-1320-feet
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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2017, 08:59:08 AM »
too many rules.
T/F fuel should be just that.
TOP
multi engines, super chargers, anything.
I stopped racing bikes 40 years ago.
went boat racing. had a nice class.
MOD U hydro. (outboards)
ok, modifications Unlimited.
I made one that went well.
oh, YOU violated the rules.
huh? what rules?  what part of Unlimited don't I understand.
well yeah, but you cant do that....
oh...why?
its too quick.
 is not the reason I racing??

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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2017, 09:58:55 AM »
Gary, that's Unlimited ... "ish"   :rtfb:
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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2017, 10:12:20 AM »
too many rules.
T/F fuel should be just that.
TOP
multi engines, super chargers, anything.
I stopped racing bikes 40 years ago.
went boat racing. had a nice class.
MOD U hydro. (outboards)
ok, modifications Unlimited.
I made one that went well.
oh, YOU violated the rules.
huh? what rules?  what part of Unlimited don't I understand.
well yeah, but you cant do that....
oh...why?
its too quick.
 is not the reason I racing??

top fuel Harley is pretty much "anything goes",they do have a 200" limit,but not much besides that.my class does have a 120",high gear with carbs,but even that's about it

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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2017, 10:20:15 AM »
Well the speeds have been close to the old 1/4 mile record speeds a couple times and each time the NHRA has made changes to re-lower them.

 Notice the word "slower" is actually in the title of the link
http://www.dragracingonline.com/analysis/xvi_1-slower-1.html
From the linked article,

"The problem was that, despite constant changes the NHRA has mandated to slow the cars down such as shortening the track length for nitro cars to 1,000 feet instead of 1320 and initially reducing the maximum rpm, the racers found ways to circumvent those measures and defeat what the rev-limiter was supposed to do. Despite those changes, in 2013 Top Fuel cars were again running 328+ mph trap speeds.

At about the halfway point of last season, the NHRA tech department, under the direction of Glen Gray and with help from the rev-limiter manufacturer, MSD, instituted a testing program that included again reducing max rpm and controlling when and how much timing increase the crew chiefs could program into the ignition system.

Some crew chiefs have told me that drivers routinely keep the throttle open for a full quarter mile instead of 1,000 feet resulting in a true top speed significantly over 330 mph. But it should be noted that in 2013 only one NHRA Top Fueler went over 330 mph and that was in testing. During the 2013 season, NHRA’s Top Fuel cars attained speeds in the 327-328+ mph range and once again they were going within five mph of the speeds that NHRA said was too fast for some if not all of NHRA’s tracks when they implemented the 1,000-foot rule."




so I guess that's why both F/C & T/F are running consistently over 330 now,@ 1000'.pretty much the same as they ran in the 1/4 mile.i may not be good at "cutting & pasting" shit,but ive been involved in drag racing for close to 40 years,so I know whats going on.if the NHRA was so concerned with safety as far as speeds go,they`de lengthen the shorter track for more run off (the last race in Pomona is the shortest track on the circuit,instead of making the track longer,they built a 1.5 million $$ timing tower.gainsville here in florida is the longest track and could easily have cars stop if they were going 350+.it was a $$ deal cause the teams were hurting too many parts in the last 320'

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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2017, 10:24:00 AM »
All I know is I'm glad they are bringing the TF Harleys to the Heartland Park Topeka Kansas event. Hell we couldn't even get the Pro stock bikes here. I e-mailed NHRA years ago suggesting they consider rotating the PS bike schedule so the venues that never got to see them might get them every 3 maybe 4 years or so. I didn't expect a reply and didn't get one and no, we never got the PS bikes either.

Years ago I think for one year only, they did a PF/TF HD exhibition, only had maybe 8 bikes and ran them after the PS cars. About 70% of the crowd left to go to the pits. I hope we get a big bike count and they market the class well before and during the race so people will stay in their seats. Nothing like watching a TF H-D carry the front wheel to half track to make you a believer.

the T/F hd`s will only race at the races where P/S bikes wont be.I was at last years Topeka race helping out on DJ johnsons T/F hd,hell of a facility there!!

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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2017, 10:49:55 AM »
Well the speeds have been close to the old 1/4 mile record speeds a couple times and each time the NHRA has made changes to re-lower them.

 Notice the word "slower" is actually in the title of the link
http://www.dragracingonline.com/analysis/xvi_1-slower-1.html
From the linked article,

"The problem was that, despite constant changes the NHRA has mandated to slow the cars down such as shortening the track length for nitro cars to 1,000 feet instead of 1320 and initially reducing the maximum rpm, the racers found ways to circumvent those measures and defeat what the rev-limiter was supposed to do. Despite those changes, in 2013 Top Fuel cars were again running 328+ mph trap speeds.

At about the halfway point of last season, the NHRA tech department, under the direction of Glen Gray and with help from the rev-limiter manufacturer, MSD, instituted a testing program that included again reducing max rpm and controlling when and how much timing increase the crew chiefs could program into the ignition system.

Some crew chiefs have told me that drivers routinely keep the throttle open for a full quarter mile instead of 1,000 feet resulting in a true top speed significantly over 330 mph. But it should be noted that in 2013 only one NHRA Top Fueler went over 330 mph and that was in testing. During the 2013 season, NHRA’s Top Fuel cars attained speeds in the 327-328+ mph range and once again they were going within five mph of the speeds that NHRA said was too fast for some if not all of NHRA’s tracks when they implemented the 1,000-foot rule."




so I guess that's why both F/C & T/F are running consistently over 330 now,@ 1000'.pretty much the same as they ran in the 1/4 mile.i may not be good at "cutting & pasting" shit,but ive been involved in drag racing for close to 40 years,so I know whats going on.if the NHRA was so concerned with safety as far as speeds go,they`de lengthen the shorter track for more run off (the last race in Pomona is the shortest track on the circuit,instead of making the track longer,they built a 1.5 million $$ timing tower.gainsville here in florida is the longest track and could easily have cars stop if they were going 350+.it was a $$ deal cause the teams were hurting too many parts in the last 320'


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You are not arguing with me, you are arguing with them.

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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2017, 10:54:55 AM »
LOL  KD.
"unlimited  ish"
I think you hit it on head.
also I was told its not nice to beat the factory guys.
then some rules came out pretty much directed at my boat.
I quit the hydro world and went tunnel  formula boats.
there were many rules.  but not just for my boat.
when they went capsule it priced lots of us little shop guys out.

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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2017, 11:20:44 AM »
Well the speeds have been close to the old 1/4 mile record speeds a couple times and each time the NHRA has made changes to re-lower them.

 Notice the word "slower" is actually in the title of the link
http://www.dragracingonline.com/analysis/xvi_1-slower-1.html
From the linked article,

"The problem was that, despite constant changes the NHRA has mandated to slow the cars down such as shortening the track length for nitro cars to 1,000 feet instead of 1320 and initially reducing the maximum rpm, the racers found ways to circumvent those measures and defeat what the rev-limiter was supposed to do. Despite those changes, in 2013 Top Fuel cars were again running 328+ mph trap speeds.

At about the halfway point of last season, the NHRA tech department, under the direction of Glen Gray and with help from the rev-limiter manufacturer, MSD, instituted a testing program that included again reducing max rpm and controlling when and how much timing increase the crew chiefs could program into the ignition system.

Some crew chiefs have told me that drivers routinely keep the throttle open for a full quarter mile instead of 1,000 feet resulting in a true top speed significantly over 330 mph. But it should be noted that in 2013 only one NHRA Top Fueler went over 330 mph and that was in testing. During the 2013 season, NHRA’s Top Fuel cars attained speeds in the 327-328+ mph range and once again they were going within five mph of the speeds that NHRA said was too fast for some if not all of NHRA’s tracks when they implemented the 1,000-foot rule."




so I guess that's why both F/C & T/F are running consistently over 330 now,@ 1000'.pretty much the same as they ran in the 1/4 mile.i may not be good at "cutting & pasting" shit,but ive been involved in drag racing for close to 40 years,so I know whats going on.if the NHRA was so concerned with safety as far as speeds go,they`de lengthen the shorter track for more run off (the last race in Pomona is the shortest track on the circuit,instead of making the track longer,they built a 1.5 million $$ timing tower.gainsville here in florida is the longest track and could easily have cars stop if they were going 350+.it was a $$ deal cause the teams were hurting too many parts in the last 320'


I cut, paste and provide links so that anyone here that reads and is actually interested in how this stuff really works can see I have not given an opinion here. I just post the links to the people that actual know and state publicly the facts that are a direct contradiction to your opinions and unfounded claims.

You are not arguing with me, you are arguing with them.

Thanks for taking away from my thread on NHRA class and the welcome TV coverage of it.
Your reply will let you get the last word, I am done here.



actually,you started your thread about the NHRA rules that would "hold" the T/F hd`s to around 230,T/F Harleys have very rarely ever run over 230,rules or not,so I thought that needed correcting.then you copied all the NHRA CAR rules about the switch from 1/4 to 1000'.i just said about how it REALLY is so people can understand how NHRA rules REALLY work,dont think I "took" anything away from anything

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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2017, 11:45:32 AM »
All I know is I'm glad they are bringing the TF Harleys to the Heartland Park Topeka Kansas event. Hell we couldn't even get the Pro stock bikes here. I e-mailed NHRA years ago suggesting they consider rotating the PS bike schedule so the venues that never got to see them might get them every 3 maybe 4 years or so. I didn't expect a reply and didn't get one and no, we never got the PS bikes either.

Years ago I think for one year only, they did a PF/TF HD exhibition, only had maybe 8 bikes and ran them after the PS cars. About 70% of the crowd left to go to the pits. I hope we get a big bike count and they market the class well before and during the race so people will stay in their seats. Nothing like watching a TF H-D carry the front wheel to half track to make you a believer.

the T/F hd`s will only race at the races where P/S bikes wont be.I was at last years Topeka race helping out on DJ johnsons T/F hd,hell of a facility there!!


Brainard has Pro Stock, so I guess I won't be seeing the HD TF bikes. Bummer.
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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2017, 12:09:58 PM »
All I know is I'm glad they are bringing the TF Harleys to the Heartland Park Topeka Kansas event. Hell we couldn't even get the Pro stock bikes here. I e-mailed NHRA years ago suggesting they consider rotating the PS bike schedule so the venues that never got to see them might get them every 3 maybe 4 years or so. I didn't expect a reply and didn't get one and no, we never got the PS bikes either.

Years ago I think for one year only, they did a PF/TF HD exhibition, only had maybe 8 bikes and ran them after the PS cars. About 70% of the crowd left to go to the pits. I hope we get a big bike count and they market the class well before and during the race so people will stay in their seats. Nothing like watching a TF H-D carry the front wheel to half track to make you a believer.

the T/F hd`s will only race at the races where P/S bikes wont be.I was at last years Topeka race helping out on DJ johnsons T/F hd,hell of a facility there!!


Brainard has Pro Stock, so I guess I won't be seeing the HD TF bikes. Bummer.

nope,the P/S bike guys & the NHRA know if they had them run at the same event,which would be the crowd favorite (don't even get me started on P/S bike NHRA "rules")

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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2017, 07:29:20 PM »
Luckily I know where TFH Started at...Wayyy back when...Actually Kirby may have been there...or shortly thereafter.
Also the very same place that actually has had TFH Records since 1985!!!
and...I believe I can assure anyone that cares to check the truth...that that Place that started Harley Drags...certainly Does Not...in any way...limit performance of Any Class of Racing...
Never have...Never will while the current management is in Place...
You NHRA Fanboys...go have ya some fun...I'll be Elsewhere...
Hope to see ya in Louisiana Kirby!!!

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Re: NHRA adds TOP FUEL HARLEY as a class
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2017, 08:28:10 PM »
I have not seen top fuel Harley's get much faster in the last 10 years . At the end of the AHDRA period lots of 220-230 passes.Tak, Vancil, and many others. You could make a lot more power with a supercharged engine which is perfectly legal last I looked, but might have a problem finding someone to pilot it. Not to mention someone to finance it.

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« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2017, 04:48:14 AM »
DJ`s bike (the one that Tak rode) has a blower on it now,though he hasn't ran it.jason pridemore & the prelines are also working with blower bikes

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« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2017, 03:26:30 PM »
Fastest MPH in NHRA history run in Topeka last night.
Robert Height goes 337.66 mph in a 1000' breaking the old record set in top fuel in 1320'
Already rumors NHRA may lower the funny car revlimiters from 8250 rpm down closer to the 7900 rpm of the top fuel cars to again slow them down with rules.
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« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2017, 04:00:37 PM »
^^ Been my Experience that TF is getting more and more expensive.  And the average "customer" won't pay for it... A few cry about not having it...but even fewer are willing to pay more for them!
In My world Anyway!!!
BTW when you see a Street Tire bike without a bar go 160+MPH in the 8's...it is pretty Friggin Cool too!!!!
Watching a Top Fueler that does 8's???? Not so much!!!!!

That AMRA Outlaw Street class is probably my favorite class. The things Greg Dahl is doing with those bikes is nothing short of amazing. 
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« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2017, 05:32:39 AM »
Fastest MPH in NHRA history run in Topeka last night.
Robert Height goes 337.66 mph in a 1000' breaking the old record set in top fuel in 1320'
Already rumors NHRA may lower the funny car revlimiters from 8250 rpm down closer to the 7900 rpm of the top fuel cars to again slow them down with rules.

Those cars are Pretty Exciting stuff!!!   NOT!!!!!
Course...I don't watch Any Motorsports!!!

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« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2017, 05:34:18 AM »
^^ Been my Experience that TF is getting more and more expensive.  And the average "customer" won't pay for it... A few cry about not having it...but even fewer are willing to pay more for them!
In My world Anyway!!!
BTW when you see a Street Tire bike without a bar go 160+MPH in the 8's...it is pretty Friggin Cool too!!!!
Watching a Top Fueler that does 8's???? Not so much!!!!!

That AMRA Outlaw Street class is probably my favorite class. The things Greg Dahl is doing with those bikes is nothing short of amazing.

One of the most entertaining....

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« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2017, 07:52:10 AM »
^^ Been my Experience that TF is getting more and more expensive.  And the average "customer" won't pay for it... A few cry about not having it...but even fewer are willing to pay more for them!
In My world Anyway!!!
BTW when you see a Street Tire bike without a bar go 160+MPH in the 8's...it is pretty Friggin Cool too!!!!
Watching a Top Fueler that does 8's???? Not so much!!!!!

That AMRA Outlaw Street class is probably my favorite class. The things Greg Dahl is doing with those bikes is nothing short of amazing.

One of the most entertaining....
For sure-
AMRA has been there since the beginning as the only pure Harley Drags outfit in the Country. Others have come and gone (we have had nothing out west for several years), but the AMRA is still standing.

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« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2017, 11:32:56 AM »

For sure-
AMRA has been there since the beginning as the only pure Harley Drags outfit in the Country. Others have come and gone (we have had nothing out west for several years), but the AMRA is still standing.

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« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2017, 04:24:47 AM »
a couple florida or Georgia races would be nice too!!

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« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2017, 05:50:20 AM »
Was at Heartland Park for the drags this past weekend. The T/F H-D's put on a good show, them's some bad mofo's!  With the addition of the H-D's and Pro-Mods on the schedule you didn't get much time to walk the pits before you had to get back to your seat.I walked the pit area for two hours when I arrived early Saturday and never found the bike teams so didn't get a chance to see 'em up close. Hope y'all make it back next year.  :up:

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« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2017, 06:01:42 AM »
a couple florida or Georgia races would be nice too!!

That certainly would be nice!!!

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« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2017, 06:11:08 AM »
Went to NH for the races this weekend and saw Top Fuel Harley for the first time, those bikes are nasty.  At that track you can stand as close as about 20' from the start line and they make quite the impact than they leave the line, not as much as Top Fuel cars but impressive none the less. My brother ( who hates Harley's ) was with me and was thoroughly impressed by them.

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« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2017, 07:43:53 AM »
Rumor has it that jesse james ( west coast choppers ) is trying to get into the t/f field - his o/lady let it slip during an interview . I guess it wont be long and we will have to listen to him about how he has the only t/f team to do this and that. personally I was hoping that we had heard the last of that pathetic douch bag - wishfull thinking.

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« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2017, 11:15:14 AM »
Douch​e bag? C'mon, he's very talented. Just ask him!!
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« Reply #43 on: June 06, 2017, 03:36:24 PM »
Douch​e bag? C'mon, he's very talented. Just ask him!!
He had the opportunity to ride a Pro Fuel Bike in Chicagoland long ago...Nope...ain't doin That!!!!

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« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2017, 02:29:16 PM »
The worlds fastest HD (tak & dj,6.021) is parked about 15 miles from my house & get a lot of parts worked onin my shop.no plans of coming to australia that i know of

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« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2017, 04:54:26 PM »
The worlds fastest HD (tak & dj,6.021) is parked about 15 miles from my house & get a lot of parts worked onin my shop.no plans of coming to australia that i know of

I don't know what constitutes a 'Harley' in Top Fuel for you guys but the worlds quickest V-twin I know of is from Finland.

Jaska Salakari's bike has run 6.010 with a 103" motor, only 85% Nitro and no gearbox.

He's coming to Australia after Christmas. He might well run a 5.xxx with our hot sticky tracks and cool summer night air.
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« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2017, 04:56:15 AM »
The worlds fastest HD (tak & dj,6.021) is parked about 15 miles from my house & get a lot of parts worked onin my shop.no plans of coming to australia that i know of

I don't know what constitutes a 'Harley' in Top Fuel for you guys but the worlds quickest V-twin I know of is from Finland.

Jaska Salakari's bike has run 6.010 with a 103" motor, only 85% Nitro and no gearbox.

He's coming to Australia after Christmas. He might well run a 5.xxx with our hot sticky tracks and cool summer night air.

very familiar with his bike,we kinda went thru this over here when jaska was her last month,since its over head cam,it really dosnt fit into HD class`s or rules.BTW,when the guys from Sweden,norway & finland came over for the man cup last month,jaska,anders & ann,danael,lars stayed at my house (guys that come over here usually do,tak does too,"home for wayward T/F riders" is what its called)tell him Kirby says hi

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« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2018, 05:36:39 PM »
Doug Vancil wins NHRA Winter nations in Pomona

   6.333 @ 220.01 mph

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« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2018, 06:06:58 AM »
Doug Vancil wins NHRA Winter nations in Pomona

   6.333 @ 220.01 mph
Pays off to hang around Romine's!!!!
Kirby; Did you get over there???
if so How was it... Really.

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« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2018, 05:05:16 AM »
Doug Vancil wins NHRA Winter nations in Pomona

   6.333 @ 220.01 mph
Pays off to hang around Romine's!!!!
Kirby; Did you get over there???
if so How was it... Really.

yea,we were there with Taks bike,ran fine here,then when we got there it developed a fuel prpblem.checked just about everything,got it a bit better but still no go.a lot of guys seemed to have proba besides the vancil/V&H team,but they tested in AZ right before the race.good time out there though

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« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2018, 07:10:00 AM »
Glad ya had a Good time, sad ya had Problems...
I thought Doug was Riding a Romine Bike???

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« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2018, 08:00:43 AM »
Glad ya had a Good time, sad ya had Problems...
I thought Doug was Riding a Romine Bike???

I thought it was Vancil piloting, Romine as the crew chief and V&H owning the bike?
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« Reply #52 on: February 14, 2018, 07:23:45 PM »
Betting they Bought the Bike from Mike!!!!
He Certainly had his Fingers all in it!!!!

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« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2018, 06:27:27 AM »
its doug horns old T/Fer

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« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2018, 07:31:20 AM »
its doug horns old T/Fer

That is what I was led to believe also...

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« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2018, 07:58:08 AM »
^^ Been my Experience that TF is getting more and more expensive.  And the average "customer" won't pay for it... A few cry about not having it...but even fewer are willing to pay more for them!
In My world Anyway!!!
BTW when you see a Street Tire bike without a bar go 160 MPH in the 8's...it is pretty Friggin Cool too!!!!
Watching a Top Fueler that does 8's???? Not so much!!!!!

That AMRA Outlaw Street class is probably my favorite class. The things Greg Dahl is doing with those bikes is nothing short of amazing.

 :up: :up: :up:

More Of Greggs work .

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« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2018, 06:23:06 AM »
It is not "Doug Horns old T/F er, he still owns it, well really his dad Steve owns it. V+H is just renting it as Mike stated at the first race!

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« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2018, 09:18:18 AM »
It is not "Doug Horns old T/F er, he still owns it, well really his dad Steve owns it. V+H is just renting it as Mike stated at the first race!

Don't remember any comment on who Owned it... Just what Bike is it...

Was "on loan" last I seen it in person!!!

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« Reply #58 on: March 23, 2018, 09:02:48 AM »
^^ Been my Experience that TF is getting more and more expensive.  And the average "customer" won't pay for it... A few cry about not having it...but even fewer are willing to pay more for them!
In My world Anyway!!!
BTW when you see a Street Tire bike without a bar go 160 MPH in the 8's...it is pretty Friggin Cool too!!!!
Watching a Top Fueler that does 8's???? Not so much!!!!!

That AMRA Outlaw Street class is probably my favorite class. The things Greg Dahl is doing with those bikes is nothing short of amazing.

 :up: :up: :up:

More Of Greggs work .

https://www.facebook.com/100003845943826/videos/1039689716169217/

Sounds nasty.

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« Reply #59 on: March 23, 2018, 09:49:11 AM »
^^ Been my Experience that TF is getting more and more expensive.  And the average "customer" won't pay for it... A few cry about not having it...but even fewer are willing to pay more for them!
In My world Anyway!!!
BTW when you see a Street Tire bike without a bar go 160 MPH in the 8's...it is pretty Friggin Cool too!!!!
Watching a Top Fueler that does 8's???? Not so much!!!!!

That AMRA Outlaw Street class is probably my favorite class. The things Greg Dahl is doing with those bikes is nothing short of amazing.

 :up: :up: :up:

More Of Greggs work .

https://www.facebook.com/100003845943826/videos/1039689716169217/

Sounds nasty.

Usually I ask if I can ride it.
I don't think I want to ride that one, it's a bit intimidating.
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« Reply #60 on: March 23, 2018, 05:48:31 PM »

Usually I ask if I can ride it.
I don't think I want to ride that one, it's a bit intimidating.

Bad Manners anyway... But, You know that.. I assume you were speaking Figuratively..

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« Reply #61 on: March 25, 2018, 07:54:22 PM »

Usually I ask if I can ride it.
I don't think I want to ride that one, it's a bit intimidating.

Bad Manners anyway... But, You know that.. I assume you were speaking Figuratively..

Just being a wise ass, I would never seriously ask to ride another's bike. My comment on that one was more directed to the fact that the sound of it scares the hell out of me.
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« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2018, 05:41:36 AM »


Just being a wise ass, I would never seriously ask to ride another's bike. My comment on that one was more directed to the fact that the sound of it scares the hell out of me.

I knew that... I'm just ball Bustin'
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« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2018, 05:43:36 AM »
When he rips that thing to full throttle, it made me jump a little! I had to turn down the speakers, it was violent.
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« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2018, 06:23:34 AM »
When he rips that thing to full throttle, it made me jump a little! I had to turn down the speakers, it was violent.

Get yer Arse to the Harley Drags... Nuthin like bein there when them Cats let 'em Rip!!!!

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« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2018, 06:48:02 AM »
When he rips that thing to full throttle, it made me jump a little! I had to turn down the speakers, it was violent.

Get yer Arse to the Harley Drags... Nuthin like bein there when them Cats let 'em Rip!!!!

I have to check to see if they are anywhere close to me. Do you know if the nitro bikes are coming to Brainard this year with the NHRA?
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« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2018, 07:01:20 AM »
When he rips that thing to full throttle, it made me jump a little! I had to turn down the speakers, it was violent.

Get yer Arse to the Harley Drags... Nuthin like bein there when them Cats let 'em Rip!!!!

I have to check to see if they are anywhere close to me. Do you know if the nitro bikes are coming to Brainard this year with the NHRA?

Probably, But IDK.. The Harley Drags is Not going beyond Michigan closest to you I would Guess!!
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« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2018, 07:15:48 AM »
Prostock Motorcycle for sure. There'll be some good racing. Brainard is in the points schedule and known to be a good track to set records on. Book accommodations ahead and maybe at a spot a short ride from town.

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« Reply #68 on: March 26, 2018, 07:55:58 AM »
In some posts from last year, it said the nitro bikes weren't going to be at tracks with the Pro Stock motorcycles, but I thought I saw they are at some tracks together this year. I hope so, it would be fun to see them at Brainard.
KD, I have a friend with a cabin near there, and his father-in-law gets greatly discounted tickets, it's only a couple hours away from home, so we take a long weekend and ride up there (the long way, taking about 12 hours to get there!), ride the area quite a bit while also going back and forth to the track. My buddy needs it, he doesn't get out much, and it's his therapy weekend to recover from the family duties.
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