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Offline FRANKIE THE FINGER

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daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« on: November 28, 2017, 02:58:05 PM »
Installed a Daytona Twin tec 1005 in my 86 FXR.  New coil, plug wires all came as a kit.  static timed it and checked for spark,  only has spark on rear cylinder.followed single fire wire diagram and checked it twice. still no spark on front cylinder.  if I swap blue wire and pink wire I get spark on front, nothing on rear. checked front and rear ohm's at the coil and they are the same. according to twin tec ignition is working properly but cant give me an explanation as to why i don't have spark on the front cylinder.   :scratch: 
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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2017, 03:11:21 PM »
What Mode is selected on the Mode Switch?

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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2017, 03:22:03 PM »
Single fire multi spark.
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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2017, 03:36:27 PM »
There is a trouble tree with the directions
AND
You actually can call those guys,
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They will answer the phone in English!
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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2017, 04:02:54 PM »
Called them. They walked me thru trouble shooting. As far as they are concerned the ignition is working based on testing with ohm meter and have no answer for why I'm not getting spark on front cylinder.
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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2017, 06:51:22 PM »
Single fire multi spark.


Which will be either Mode 3 or 7,  have you tried the other Modes 2 or 6,  i.e. multi spark disabled ?

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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2017, 07:14:56 PM »
Which timing cup are you using?

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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2017, 07:21:53 PM »
 I wish you were closer I would lend you one.
I can only suggest if they walked you through it and it did not work
they should have offered to have you send it back to them for diagnoses.

You can still send the unit to them.
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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2017, 07:33:45 PM »
As Roadrage asked, what timing cup are you using? If it isn't stamped 32402-83, throw it away and get one that does.

I had the EXACT same problem but with a S&S Hi-4. I was also using a non-branded timing cup from the local indie parts store. I bought a genuine HD 32402-83 timing cup, put it on, problem immediately went away.

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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2017, 07:38:03 PM »
Was this a new unit with all parts?
 Or a garage sale used unit?
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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2017, 03:57:17 AM »
I ordered the ignition and cup from Eastern performance. The cup is suppose to be Daytona twin tec cup that matches the unit. To be honest I didn't even look at it. Just bolted it in. I guess I'm gonna pull the ignition out and send it to them to look at. And I will check the cup. Really feel like just going back to my old crane unit that was trouble free for 21 years.
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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2017, 06:05:36 AM »
Still no luck. Batterey is new 12.45 11.40 when cranking. Tried different plug wires. Grounds are good. I'm out of ideas. Guess I'm gonna pull it out and reinstall the old crane ignition with a new coil. If I still have this issue its in the bike somewhere. 
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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2017, 08:03:27 AM »
You are right there inFL with and where Twin Tch is located.
Just send it over top them.
I have a hunch you have a wrong power wire going to the other coil.
I think one is pink is for one coil -Rear, if you will
and blue front .
The direction is confusing as for single fire they show just one coil


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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2017, 03:47:25 AM »
Pink wire to front cylinder on coil. Blue to rear. Black/white tho + along with white 12volt wire from bike. No spark front cylinder. Swap pink and blue and now I fire on front nothing on rear. It's going in a box and shipping to twin tec today.
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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2017, 04:26:46 AM »
My feeling is this with a business-
Mistakes happen, crap happens.
It is what they do about it that is the demarcation of between good and bad.
They have a really good reputation and I have talked to them on the phone several times.
I am more then sure they will guarantee it.
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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2017, 05:11:23 AM »
Installed a Daytona Twin tec 1005 in my 86 FXR.  New coil, plug wires all came as a kit.  static timed it and checked for spark,  only has spark on rear cylinder.followed single fire wire diagram and checked it twice. still no spark on front cylinder.  if I swap blue wire and pink wire I get spark on front, nothing on rear. checked front and rear ohm's at the coil and they are the same. according to twin tec ignition is working properly but cant give me an explanation as to why i don't have spark on the front cylinder.   :scratch:

I was at his house helping this blind mofo install this unit.  Im pretty good with wiring and directions.  I followed the directions to the "T" and Im with Frankie the Finger on this one.... I don't know. 

I can tell you that he sent them the unit back and they sent him a brand new one and it still has the same problem, NO EFFING SPARK IN THE FRONT CYLINDER. 

The rear cylinder has spark for days, the front has a Very weak, little to no spark.

IDK.

Frank

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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2017, 07:22:17 AM »
If my bike was running I would say send it here and I would try it on mine...
 I have to sort of think something simple is being overlooked.

1-, did they say there was a problem with the old one?
2, - if so I would guess it could also with the new one?
Get on the phone with them!
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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2017, 05:05:31 PM »
Mode switch settings?

Have you tried other settings, there are 5 mode settings for single fire.
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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2017, 07:19:35 PM »
Find an OEM timing cup.   Made in China version is junk.

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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2017, 07:58:28 AM »
 :agree:

Eastern Cycles is the same "made in who-knows-where" cup that everybody but HD and S&S sell.

I'll say it again: I had the same exact problem, it was the timing cup.

Get the stock cup and give it a try. What do you have to lose?

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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2017, 08:41:08 AM »
I thought he replaced the cup already   !!...
BUT
I never thought about the Chinese junk.
I have a brand new in the box Custom Chrome shovel oil pump here.
I bought it from my vendor 15 years ago.
When I got ready to install it I noticed-   MADE IN CHINA!   :emoGroan:

I can not even give it away....LOL
Moral of the story --DONT buy Chinese as they use a yardstick to measure stuff.
A wheel bearing will not go 20K, and I am NOT exaggerating!
Now go get a real cup if you are not using one. :scoot:
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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2017, 11:22:17 AM »
Although bashing China made stuff is easy, and probably in many cases justified, the fact is that not EVERYTHING made in China is crap. Quite the opposite. Every Apple product sold is made in China, and Apple has a ironclad reputation for high quality. Same goes for most name brand electronics these days, if it wasn't made in Korea or Japan. The question is, who is minding the store? Apple sets incredibly strict quality standards, and has an army of quality engineers staying on top of it. Do that, and you get good products out of China.

I can pretty much guarantee that companies like V-Tiwan, CCI, DS, indeed DON'T. Both in quality of the design (crap that does not even meet design spec or fit/finish), but in quality of manufacturing as well. And hence, this is the problem with the non-HD version of timing cup. They are simply not designed identical to the stock HD one. Hold one of each side by side, you will see exactly what I'm talking about.

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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2017, 01:16:30 PM »
Even stock HD cups can be incorrect, there is an early (silver) cup and the late cup is gold colored?
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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2017, 03:51:30 PM »
Yep. One with one slot, and one with two.

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Re: daytona Twin tec 1005 issue
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2017, 02:23:30 PM »
I've tried everything  TWICE and still no spark on front cylinder. Another new ignition, new handlebar switches, new ignition switch,, checked all grounds, battery, I am out of ideas.  This bike has never been to a shop for work as long as I own it, but I'm at the point where I'm going to let someone else try and figure this out.  :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :wtf:
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