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This one is 10.77:1. CCP 199/199
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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2018, 11:14:45 AM »
The red run in this graph is with stock throttle body, blue is with SE 58mm.
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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2018, 12:10:52 PM »
Really nice!!!
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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2018, 01:32:24 PM »
Playing a little more today, my friend George dropped by and had a set of Mellows in his truck. Needless to say he's not getting them back...Lol
This is a muffler swap and tune only from the OP graph.
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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2018, 01:43:21 PM »
100+ at 2100 and up from there.  :up:
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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2018, 02:07:11 PM »
There was a comment somewhere about this cam (CR-595) being disappointing on the left??   :scratch:
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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2018, 02:11:17 PM »
There was a comment somewhere about this cam (CR-595) being disappointing on the left??   :scratch:
Yes. And as seen here in this comparison it takes a complete combination to make a build work.

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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2018, 04:37:54 PM »
Great comparison Darren.  Some tuners say you will lose the initial "punch" at low rpm going to a larger TB.  Well, now we know better.

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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2018, 07:03:11 PM »
Great comparison Darren.  Some tuners say you will lose the initial "punch" at low rpm going to a larger TB.  Well, now we know better.

Curious about the comparison
certainly would expect the the 58 to give a bit more in the right half of the graph
the left half is a bit of a surprise
The tune would not likely have been optimised with the stock throttlebody ?

Certainly the other result speaks well for the Mellows and the effect on performance in the 2000 to 3000 range

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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2018, 03:06:52 AM »
Very nice ! Shows how important mufflers .

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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2018, 04:16:42 AM »
That should make him happy! Looks good!

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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2018, 04:28:11 AM »
Great comparison Darren.  Some tuners say you will lose the initial "punch" at low rpm going to a larger TB.  Well, now we know better.

Curious about the comparison
certainly would expect the the 58 to give a bit more in the right half of the graph
the left half is a bit of a surprise
The tune would not likely have been optimised with the stock throttlebody ?

Certainly the other result speaks well for the Mellows and the effect on performance in the 2000 to 3000 range
Both the stock and 58 throttle body tunes were squeezed for all they were worth as this was the plan going into this.
I wanted to see for myself exactly what could be gained with a TB only in this application.

What wasn't planned at the onset of this project were the mufflers. That was a pleasant surprise for sure.

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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2018, 06:39:36 AM »
Great comparison Darren.  Some tuners say you will lose the initial "punch" at low rpm going to a larger TB.  Well, now we know better.

Curious about the comparison
certainly would expect the the 58 to give a bit more in the right half of the graph
the left half is a bit of a surprise
The tune would not likely have been optimised with the stock throttlebody ?

Certainly the other result speaks well for the Mellows and the effect on performance in the 2000 to 3000 range
Both the stock and 58 throttle body tunes were squeezed for all they were worth as this was the plan going into this.
I wanted to see for myself exactly what could be gained with a TB only in this application.

What wasn't planned at the onset of this project were the mufflers. That was a pleasant surprise for sure.
Thanks Daren for sharing your R n D!! Really nice to see TB difference When the motor is calling for it.
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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2018, 07:25:17 AM »
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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2018, 11:58:53 AM »
 :up: looks like fun !

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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2018, 04:02:24 PM »
Very interesting to see the increase made by the Mellow's. Nice job.
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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2018, 04:37:49 PM »
What air cleaner was used?

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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2018, 07:02:26 PM »
Outstanding tune and results as usual- :up:

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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2018, 07:41:53 PM »
Great comparison Darren.  Some tuners say you will lose the initial "punch" at low rpm going to a larger TB.  Well, now we know better.

Curious about the comparison
certainly would expect the the 58 to give a bit more in the right half of the graph
the left half is a bit of a surprise
The tune would not likely have been optimised with the stock throttlebody ?

Certainly the other result speaks well for the Mellows and the effect on performance in the 2000 to 3000 range
Both the stock and 58 throttle body tunes were squeezed for all they were worth as this was the plan going into this.
I wanted to see for myself exactly what could be gained with a TB only in this application.

What wasn't planned at the onset of this project were the mufflers. That was a pleasant surprise for sure.

Thank you Daren
Appreciate the reply
and as others have mentioned, thankyou for the R%D
we really appreciate the effort you put in
and we appreciate you sharing the results with us

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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2018, 08:18:52 PM »
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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2018, 09:34:02 AM »
What air cleaner was used?
Heavy breather.
Outstanding tune and results as usual- :up:
Thanks PW and others for the kudos.

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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2018, 08:53:55 AM »
Great job Daren. Wish I had time to visit but I'm happy reading about what you create here. Maybe someday.
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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2018, 04:10:30 PM »

Every tune is R&D for me. Learning what works and what doesn't is a real cool part of my job.

I don't mind sharing.

Thank you for the informative data.
What size injectors did you use with the stock and 58mm TBs ?

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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2018, 06:55:18 PM »
Great work Darren ... Those crushers never disappoint;   do they ?  Are these the older original style crushers or the newer models ?  Thanks 👍 Keep up the good work ...

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Re: 2011, 110", FLHX, S&S drop on, CR-595's, WFO Stage 2 plus, SE 58
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2018, 03:30:43 AM »

Every tune is R&D for me. Learning what works and what doesn't is a real cool part of my job.

I don't mind sharing.

Thank you for the informative data.
What size injectors did you use with the stock and 58mm TBs ?
Stage 1 Marren injectors. 5.04 gps
Great work Darren ... Those crushers never disappoint;   do they ?  Are these the older original style crushers or the newer models ?  Thanks 👍 Keep up the good work ...
The Crushers used here are the original “Mellow” version.