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Offline Jamie Long

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2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« on: March 06, 2017, 02:38:43 PM »
2017 Road Glide, FM 120" big bore kit, Wood WM8-999 cam, cylinder heads ported by Gary Williams, SE 64mm TB, Jackpot 2/1, AIM VPC clutch, tuned with Dynojet Power Vision 




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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2017, 05:58:48 PM »
That will make em' happy.

140 square without splitting the cases, gotta love that. :up:

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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2017, 07:21:51 PM »
Wow,  that's amazing.  Good job Fuel Moto :up:

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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2017, 08:13:48 PM »
Very nice
Do we rate the OEM M8 crank to handle all that torque?

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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2017, 09:09:38 AM »
Very nice
Do we rate the OEM M8 crank to handle all that torque?

Not much to note on the crankshaft at this point, no issues with the M8 thus far. We are still working thru our testing and have alot of components to get thru, I expect we will be pushing toward the 150's with more cam and exhaust tweaks in the not to distant future. We shall see how it holds together.

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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2017, 05:58:58 AM »
Jamie, that's very impressive and it seems 150 will come rather easily. Not to mention what the cvo motor will be capable of.

One thing I and many people I've talked to are wondering is how these motors sound with this level of work. Does it get some lope and snap to it like a twin cam or does it still sound like a v rod? Any chance you could do a walk around video on this?

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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2017, 08:31:57 AM »
 :up: :up: That has to be the tallest, longest, flattest torque curve I've ever seen, 139-143 between 2900 & 5300.
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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2017, 10:56:28 AM »
what would one anticipate to spend on a build like this?
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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2017, 03:35:16 PM »
   so with Gary's head work on this 120" you picked up 11hp and 8tq over the previous 120" you showed awhile back running basically the same set up except for the first dyno sheet had bone stock M8 heads.
   Both those sheets show just about the same looking curves...just a little higher with this one with the heads massaged on.
Nice gains with the heads being loved on.  :up:

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I seen later on that a t/body change also happened on this 120". I would guess it helped out some too with the addition of the 64mm t/body.
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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2017, 06:50:59 PM »
Impressive and more to come . Look forward to seeing the results . I really like the extra torque and not lay over, looks good  :chop:

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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2017, 01:17:14 AM »
Excellent  :up:
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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2017, 07:56:38 AM »
Jamie, that's very impressive and it seems 150 will come rather easily. Not to mention what the cvo motor will be capable of.

One thing I and many people I've talked to are wondering is how these motors sound with this level of work. Does it get some lope and snap to it like a twin cam or does it still sound like a v rod? Any chance you could do a walk around video on this?

Motor sounds absolutely wicked much like a hot twin cam but with a sharper note, sound is not at all like a V-rod. When we get a chance we'll do a walk around video. We're swapping the cam today or tomorrow to one of Bobby's more aggressive grinds and we'll post an update.

what would one anticipate to spend on a build like this?

We don't have exact prices yet as we're working on some of the details of our kits and they will be offered a few different ways,  our "standard" M8 120" complete kit with pistons/new cylinders, cam, pushrods, lifters, gasket set should be in the $1500 range, and our CNC ported heads are expected to be $800-1000 depending on what we find when they are digitized and run the few test sets and are able to do a time study. 

   so with Gary's head work on this 120" you picked up 11hp and 8tq over the previous 120" you showed awhile back running basically the same set up except for the first dyno sheet had bone stock M8 heads.
   Both those sheets show just about the same looking curves...just a little higher with this one with the heads massaged on.
Nice gains with the heads being loved on.  :up:

Ray

  added later:
I seen later on that a t/body change also happened on this 120". I would guess it helped out some too with the addition of the 64mm t/body.

The first test was cylinder head swap only which picked up over 7Hp, we then swapped the stock TB to the SE 64mm unit and picked an additional 3.5Hp. The M8 heads are the magic here, even the 120 with stock heads runs out really well with a well designed cam. I talk frequently with several top level cylinder head guys (in/out of our industry) several of which have/are working on M8 stuff and they are seeing phenominal flow numbers as well, the heads GW did for us flow in the mid 350's intake & 250's exhaust CFM, and I know one company has the intake flowing over 370 CFM with the stock valves! These motors are showing HUGE potential, i'm certain over the course of the next year or so you will see an assortment of companies making BIG power with the M8. 

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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2017, 01:41:46 PM »
    :agree: 100% Jamie!
It looks like the sky is the limit on these new M8's. I like what I see out of them so far. Thanks for sharing Jamie...and keep up the great work!   :up:

  Now I just need to figure out how much money I'll end up dumping into one of these M8's when I finally do break down and buy one.  :banghead:  I keep telling myself to wait another year...maybe two.  :nix:
  Between you and Durwood...you two guys posting these excellent results with the M8's is going to make my wallet a lot lighter sooner than I planned.  :hyst:

Ray
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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2017, 02:50:52 PM »
How's the head temp Jamie?  I remember a couple of conversations here and elsewhere that gave very high temp readings in the stock 107 M8.
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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2017, 03:51:40 AM »
    :agree: 100% Jamie!
It looks like the sky is the limit on these new M8's. I like what I see out of them so far. Thanks for sharing Jamie...and keep up the great work!   :up:

  Now I just need to figure out how much money I'll end up dumping into one of these M8's when I finally do break down and buy one.  :banghead:  I keep telling myself to wait another year...maybe two.  :nix:
  Between you and Durwood...you two guys posting these excellent results with the M8's is going to make my wallet a lot lighter sooner than I planned.  :hyst:

Ray
  I was thinking about a new bike also  in a couple years or so . It is a lot easier to just copy a great running bike lol or close . The only thing is I not real comfortable with a stock crank at the 150 or 140 level . But the testing going on now will help find out what the weak links .

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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2017, 12:46:06 AM »
    :agree: 100% Jamie!
It looks like the sky is the limit on these new M8's. I like what I see out of them so far. Thanks for sharing Jamie...and keep up the great work!   :up:

  Now I just need to figure out how much money I'll end up dumping into one of these M8's when I finally do break down and buy one.  :banghead:  I keep telling myself to wait another year...maybe two.  :nix:
  Between you and Durwood...you two guys posting these excellent results with the M8's is going to make my wallet a lot lighter sooner than I planned.  :hyst:

Ray

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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2017, 08:39:29 AM »
How's the head temp Jamie?  I remember a couple of conversations here and elsewhere that gave very high temp readings in the stock 107 M8.

Temps are higher than a Twin cam but it is an apples to oranges comparison as the M8 uses a different ET sensor, its located in a different position on the head, and it is now mounted on the rear head rather than the front head.

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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2017, 06:28:48 PM »
How's the head temp Jamie?  I remember a couple of conversations here and elsewhere that gave very high temp readings in the stock 107 M8.

Temps are higher than a Twin cam but it is an apples to oranges comparison as the M8 uses a different ET sensor, its located in a different position on the head, and it is now mounted on the rear head rather than the front head.

as it should be imo - progress
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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2018, 03:11:41 PM »

Jamie is this a 4.250 bore x 4.250 stroke engine?
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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2018, 07:33:13 AM »

Jamie is this a 4.250 bore x 4.250 stroke engine?

This motor in this post is 4.180" bore 4.375" stroke. The two current cranks the Motor Company offers for M8's are 4.375" (107 engine) and 4.5" (114 & 117 engines)

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Re: 2017, 120", FLTR, Gary Williams heads, WM8-999, SE64mm TB
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2018, 04:32:13 PM »
Thank you
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