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What do I do to get better sound on a 2013 Ultra
« on: August 13, 2017, 07:12:12 PM »
 I have a 2013 Ultra and would like better sound, but have a very thin wallet.
 I don't want to change the radio at all. I just need a good economical 4 channel amp and rear speakers. I only want rear speakers because I do have Titan II 100 RMS 4 ohm 6.5 speakers in the front.
 I have no problem buying a good used amp from someone that replaced it with a BIIG BUCK system.
 Thanks.

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Re: What do I do to get better sound on a 2013 Ultra
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2017, 09:53:36 AM »
Sounstream pn4 1000d amp. Can find them used once in a while. New I've seen them around $150, sometimes even lower.

Throw another set of the Titans in the back and it will scream with that amp. However the HU is going to limit the system big time.

When I was planning my build I wanted to keep the stock HU. I spoke to Alex (Haze) at BAL and he told me the same thing. HU will hold me back for what I want out of my system. I saved and saved until I was able to do it with a new HU and I am glad I did. 80mph I can hear every symbol, vocal, drum beat. Clean power and tuned properly is what its all about. Its served me well, this winter it will be swapped out for PA speakers and some extra stuff

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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2017, 06:07:54 PM »
Sounstream pn4 1000d amp. Can find them used once in a while. New I've seen them around $150, sometimes even lower.

Throw another set of the Titans in the back and it will scream with that amp. However the HU is going to limit the system big time.

When I was planning my build I wanted to keep the stock HU. I spoke to Alex (Haze) at BAL and he told me the same thing. HU will hold me back for what I want out of my system. I saved and saved until I was able to do it with a new HU and I am glad I did. 80mph I can hear every symbol, vocal, drum beat. Clean power and tuned properly is what its all about. Its served me well, this winter it will be swapped out for PA speakers and some extra stuff

 I decided to bite the bullet and get a Biketronics BT4180 Amp.
 I called Biketronics today and the guy told me they don't have any speakers for my 2013 Ultra rear speaker pods.
 He told me to buy some Alpine 6 1/2" speakers, BUT I can't find any adapter rings for the REAR speaker pods.
 Ten thousand people make rings for the fairing, but I can't find any for the rear pods. Anyone know of any?

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Re: What do I do to get better sound on a 2013 Ultra
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2017, 07:59:00 AM »
I'm not sure but I don't think you need the rings for the rear pods.   :idunno:

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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2017, 08:31:47 AM »
I'm not sure but I don't think you need the rings for the rear pods.   :idunno:

 The original speakers are 5 1/4", so I would think adapter rings would be required.
 I did find that V-Twin Audio makes them. With shipping they would be about $110. just for the rings and grills.
 I guess nothing is cheap anymore.

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Re: What do I do to get better sound on a 2013 Ultra
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2017, 11:53:29 AM »
I would call and talk to Alex at Bagger Audio Lab. He will set you up right with everything you need

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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2017, 06:30:36 PM »
I would call and talk to Alex at Bagger Audio Lab. He will set you up right with everything you need

 He doesn't have a working web site that I can find, but just the business name scares the hell out of me.
 I'm guessing if I don't have $2800. to spend, (just $280. is a lot of money to me) he won't even talk to me.

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Re: What do I do to get better sound on a 2013 Ultra
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2017, 07:00:01 AM »
Sorry about the mistake on the speaker rings.

Why not just replace the rear speakers with a much better speaker of the same size?

Crutchfield has a huge selection of speakers that will fit plus they'll provide anything else you might need to install them.

https://www.crutchfield.com/g_400/All-Car-Speakers.html?tp=105&l=J&pg=1





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Re: What do I do to get better sound on a 2013 Ultra
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2017, 03:00:11 PM »
Infinity 62.11 fit perfectly and sound great
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Re: What do I do to get better sound on a 2013 Ultra
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2017, 03:40:18 PM »
Infinity 62.11 fit perfectly and sound great

 I doubt they will fit in the 2013 and earlier 5 1/4 inch speaker pods and they aren't rated for the Biketronics 4180 amp I plan to use.

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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2017, 03:42:45 PM »
Hehe..  they fit PERFECTLY and they work VERY WELL with the 4180.  But you seem to have already made up your mind.  😁
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2017, 03:51:26 PM »
Hehe..  they fit PERFECTLY and they work VERY WELL with the 4180.  But you seem o have already made up your mind.  😁

 No. I read the specs.  I read that the speakers were only rated at 75 RMS watts and the 4180 is supposedly rated at 180 RMS watts.

 Did I get bogus info?  If these speakers are compatible, I'm in.

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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2017, 03:54:47 PM »
Old enough to remember Mikey?  Try it, you might like it.
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2017, 04:00:21 PM »
Old enough to remember Mikey?  Try it, you might like it.

 Yes I remember those cereal commercials.
 But your sure these will fit in those 2013 and older 5 1/4" pods. I tried to squeeze some 5 1/4"" JL Audio speakers in there and they would not fit, no way, and they were 5 1/4" speakers. Just no room for them.

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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2017, 04:04:12 PM »
Yes sir.  Perfectly means perfectly.  Most choose to use CVO grills with them but you may like the infinity grills.  Esp. since CVO grills are about $30 each.
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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2017, 04:07:09 PM »
Yes sir.  Perfectly means perfectly.  Most choose to use CVO grills with them but you may like the infinity grills.  Esp. since CVO grills are about $30 each.

  I'm going shopping for some Infinity speakers. You think Best Buy would have them?

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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2017, 07:06:51 PM »
Just in case...

I stopped trying to chase good quality sound and switched to blootooth headset from my Samsung S5 Android connected to Amazon Prime Music. Millions of songs and it helps cut out the wind noise as well.  Battery lasts for several days.

https://www.amazon.com/LG-HBS-770-Wireless-Stereo-Headset/dp/B01EKDVHZY/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_107_lp_t_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=KBJM08XH1C92Y7KS3MH1
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2017, 07:12:54 PM »
Just in case...

I stopped trying to chase good quality sound and switched to blootooth headset from my Samsung S5 Android connected to Amazon Prime Music. Millions of songs and it helps cut out the wind noise as well.  Battery lasts for several days.

https://www.amazon.com/LG-HBS-770-Wireless-Stereo-Headset/dp/B01EKDVHZY/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_107_lp_t_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=KBJM08XH1C92Y7KS3MH1

 Forget it. You can keep your high tech garbage

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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2017, 03:46:53 PM »
Yes sir.  Perfectly means perfectly.  Most choose to use CVO grills with them but you may like the infinity grills.  Esp. since CVO grills are about $30 each.

 I know very little about Harley CVO models. What year and model of Harley CVO bikes have these special grills?

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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2017, 03:55:19 PM »
76000065 is the HD part number.  you'll need 2.
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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2017, 04:13:42 PM »
76000065 is the HD part number.  you'll need 2.

 What year and what model of CVO bikes have these?

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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2017, 04:46:28 PM »
up to and including 2013 models.

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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2017, 04:51:02 PM »
up to and including 2013 models.

 My very first statement was I don't know much about the CVO bikes. What models? If you don't know, just say so. No need to be ashamed.

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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2017, 04:54:05 PM »
up to and including 2013 models.

 I tell you what. Just name one particular bike that you know has these grills.  Like a 20** CVO Road King, or whatever it may be.

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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2017, 05:15:27 PM »
Haha..  You trying to be an ass or am I'm reading too much into your statements?

ANY CVO MODEL WITH AUDIO FROM at least 2006 (maybe before) TO 2013.  Lowers and/or rear pods all use same grills.


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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2017, 05:48:28 PM »
Haha..  You trying to be an ass or am I'm reading too much into your statements?

ANY CVO MODEL WITH AUDIO FROM at least 2006 (maybe before) TO 2013.  Lowers and/or rear pods all use same grills.

 I see the problem as if I go searching for these on Ebay, Craigslist, Swap Meets, or wherever, the seller may know his speaker grills came from a 20** CVO Super Glide or what have you, but unless the grills are stamped with the part number, he won't be able to tell me, yes, this grill is #76000065.
 That is why I'm persistent in wanting to know what year and model bikes had these.
 Again, if you just don't know, I'll try to find out elsewhere.

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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2017, 05:56:35 PM »
Never seen a super glide with audio, cvo or otherwise unless it was some aftermarket concoction.  TOURING BIKES ONLY HAVE HD STOCK AUDIO.

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Re: What do I do to get better sound on a 2013 Ultra
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2017, 05:58:16 PM »
Haha..  You trying to be an ass or am I'm reading too much into your statements?

ANY CVO MODEL WITH AUDIO FROM at least 2006 (maybe before) TO 2013.  Lowers and/or rear pods all use same grills.

 I see the problem as if I go searching for these on Ebay, Craigslist, Swap Meets, or wherever, the seller may know his speaker grills came from a 20** CVO Super Glide or what have you, but unless the grills are stamped with the part number, he won't be able to tell me, yes, this grill is #76000065.
 That is why I'm persistent in wanting to know what year and model bikes had these.
 Again, if you just don't know, I'll try to find out elsewhere.

Wow...    :doh:   He's telling you that any bike with the HD radio (06-13) that had rear speaker pods (like an ultra) or front lower speaker pods (like ultras or street glides or road glides) that were CVO had these grills. On top of that you now have a picture.  I know the HD audio stuff pretty well and you're disbelieving the guy I call when I have a question.   :idunno:
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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2017, 06:37:38 PM »
Never seen a super glide with audio, cvo or otherwise unless it was some aftermarket concoction.  TOURING BIKES ONLY HAVE HD STOCK AUDIO.

Feed a man a fish and he'll eat for a day.  Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime.

 OK. I give up. I went to Ronnies Harley-Davidson Parts Finder. Entered 2013 CVO Ultra and did a "search by part number" and entered 76000065 and got zero results. Part unknown. It showed the rear speaker grill on a 2013 CVO Ultra to be 77050-10

http://partsfinder.onlinemicrofiche.com/ronnies/showmodel.asp?Type=13&make=hdmc&a=941&b=68&c=0&d=2013 FLHTCUSE8 CVO ANN ULTRA CLASSIC ELECTRA GLIDE 103TM (PRM-ANV) SOUND SYSTEM

Here look at this one. Again no 76000065 at all.

http://partsfinder.onlinemicrofiche.com/ronnies/showmodel.asp?Type=13&make=hdmc&a=846&b=67&c=0&d=2011 FLTRUSE CVO Road GlideŽ Ultra (TA) SOUND SYSTEM - 1

 So if you don't know what models, just say "I don't know".  You certainly know more than me, but I don't need misinformation.
 Thanks for helping me with everything else.
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Re: What do I do to get better sound on a 2013 Ultra
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2017, 07:16:37 PM »
Wow...    :doh:   He's telling you that any bike with the HD radio (06-13) that had rear speaker pods (like an ultra) or front lower speaker pods (like ultras or street glides or road glides) that were CVO had these grills. On top of that you now have a picture.  I know the HD audio stuff pretty well and you're disbelieving the guy I call when I have a question.   :idunno:

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« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2017, 03:01:43 PM »
I have the cvo grills on my lowers, covering BT Titan II speakers. I like the looks of em.

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Re: What do I do to get better sound on a 2013 Ultra
« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2017, 04:54:37 PM »
Yes sir.  Perfectly means perfectly.  Most choose to use CVO grills with them but you may like the infinity grills.  Esp. since CVO grills are about $30 each.

 Well my Infinity 62.11 speakers came today, and yessiree bob, you sure were right about these 6 1/2 inch speakers fitting "perfectly'.
 Yes "perfectly", except for the shallow area of these 1999 to 2013 5 1/4" rear speaker pods not letting that big magnet all the way in. But they fit "perfectly" after I bought a set of 1/2" adapter rings to give the magnets room, and they fit especially "perfectly" after I re drilled all of the mounting holes because the original holes were too close together for these 6 1/2" speakers.
 They did sound just fine. I just need to get an amp for the bike now.

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« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2017, 05:11:57 PM »
you sir are most certainly the special exception or once again I have to ask; are you just being an ass?  Is there an agenda possibly?

I have personally installed literally more than a hundred pair of 62.11i and Polk MM651 in rear tour pak pods and have NEVER used any kind of spacer on either speaker and used either stock speaker grills on the polks (yes that can be done), cvo grills on either, or the infinity/polk grills as requested by the owners.


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« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2017, 05:31:12 PM »
you sir are most certainly the special exception or once again I have to ask; are you just being an ass?  Is there an agenda possibly?

I have personally installed literally more than a hundred pair of 62.11i and Polk MM651 in rear tour pak pods and have NEVER used any kind of spacer on either speaker and used either stock speaker grills on the polks (yes that can be done), cvo grills on either, or the infinity/polk grills as requested by the owners.

 They DID NOT FIT.  They were very, very, very close to fitting. The magnet made contact with the rear of the plastic pod in a small area. I could have pushed hard and really put some muscle to the screwdriver to suck it down, but it might pop the screw later or distort the shape of the pod. If a person was really talented, I think you could maybe heat up the plastic pod (but not catch it on fire) in the tight area and ssstttrrrreeeetttcccchhh the plastic just enough to not be in contact with the magnet, but I've never done anything like that before. The half inch ring assured that I had plenty of room. And of course the  screw holes didn't line up with the rubber well nuts, and I re drilled the holes.

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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2017, 05:32:54 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2017, 07:43:32 PM »
Maybe eglideic does not have factory rear speaker pods....

eglideic-Ultranutz is the absolute final word on anything HD audio, especially what fits and what does not

Just sayin, I've read through a ton of his audio posts and it appears he is always thanked for his help and solutions
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« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2017, 07:53:00 PM »
Maybe eglideic does not have factory rear speaker pods....

eglideic-Ultranutz is the absolute final word on anything HD audio, especially what fits and what does not

Just sayin, I've read through a ton of his audio posts and it appears he is always thanked for his help and solutions

 a 100% stone stock 2013 Ultra with 10,000 miles.
 And I did thank him for his help.
 Maybe I'm more picky than him. I just didn't like that I would have to press hard on the speaker to seat it in the pod so the it made contact all the way around the back of the mounting ring. It just didn't fit, so I chose to use a 1/2" spacer ring so it would drop right into place.