SE Pro Street Tuner

[HV]

I wouldnt want to send them a Pic of a bike with a set of Duncan Hines Long Shots thats having engine issues ....

[PoorUB]

As long as the pipes are 50 state EPA certified HD will accept them, correct? At least that is what I was lead to believe.

[BVHOG]

The whole warranty thing is ridiculous. Harley uses it as scare tactics to try to keep work at their dealerships and why wouldn't they. I feel that when you start to modify your bike then you need to take on some responsibility for issues that could pop up because of this. Should you install an aftermarket pipe, cams etc and the Radio gives you trouble then I would expect the moco to step up but do this and the drivetrain doesn't hold up then it's on you.
Let's face it, these bikes are not ideal in stock configuration. I remember a conversation with a long time customer last year that bought a new CVO and had nothing but issues, hot running etc. and wanted to bring it to my shop for upgrades/tune but was concerned about warranty. I asked him if he wanted to ride a bike that runs like it should or a warrantied POS. He replied "call me when you are ready for it"

[hd06]

 Does the SE Smart Tuner have to be installed be a Harley dealer to keep your warranty.

[HV]

Does the SE Smart Tuner have to be installed be a Harley dealer to keep your warranty.

No any one can install it

[hd06]

   Thanks
  Thanks

[yobtaf103]

   Thanks
  Thanks

Has 18mm wb, so dealer has to mod the stock 12mm header ports ?

[hd06]

 I was told that putting a SE Smart Tuner Pro would be a waste of money with a stage 1 kit. If it's a gain to go to a wide band on a stage 1, I will do it.

[92flhtcu]

most of my Wi and Illinois dealers are using aftermarket slip-ons on stock head pipes(M8) and have not had any issues with the warranty boys yet, they are using the HD Street tuner of course, for these

[Maddo Snr]

I was told that putting a SE Smart Tuner Pro would be a waste of money with a stage 1 kit. If it's a gain to go to a wide band on a stage 1, I will do it.

Dunno if I agree with that, stage 1 kits really benefit from custom mapping the ignition maps as well as the fuelling. With a 107 it's the difference between 88/108 and 92/115 (on shitty Oz fuel)

[tomcat64]

Harley is watching pretty close on warranty after the EPA went after them a couple years ago. A minor warranty issue  will probably  be ignored but anything major gets the evil from the MoCo rep, more so with M8 issues.

don't forget the 15 million dollar fine, that is a bit of a game changer.

[92flhtcu]

Tomcat, they were more than happy to pay that $15M, look at all the tuners and SE Exhaust it has sold for them.....and all the warranty they denied.
Let's face it, $15M to mother Harley is nothing, they spend that every quarter advertising to Millenials and they don't have any product they can afford

Just my take on the whole $15M fine deal

[tomcat64]

Race tuners always had warranty implications, but we hid them from the MOCO, and they never looked real hard.  For what it's worth, this is what I have seen in the last 2 years. #1, I have not seen a warranty "voided" (on a non totaled bike) but I have seen may "flagged" that means if there is a warranty event we have to call for authorization, and depending on the reason for the flagging of the warranty, they (MOCO) may deny the claim. #2 ESP is much different than warranty, they have always been much more strict and it is very common for an inspector to come to the store and look at a claim bike before they authorize the claim. TTS tuned bikes ALL got flagged. I have not seen any effect on warranty for slip-ons as long as the stock head pipes is used.

Dealers can state that they will stand behind modifications, but that is good only at that dealer, and you are on your own when on a trip. BTW, I believe that "warranty" can only be offered by the manufacturer, and that is why the "add on warranty" is called ESP.

I can tell you that in the last 13 years things have changed a lot, and expect the changes to continue!

[92flhtcu]

Tomcat, exactly, "Flagged" is not denied, but in the event of a possible claim, it will be scrutinized a lot more than a non "flagged" vin

I've seen the zone rep flag bikes for aftermarket heated grips


Ok, off the rails, back to our regular  scheduled program

[lonewolf]

TTS tuned bikes ALL got flagged.

Do you know if the calibration id's had been changed to match the HD ones?

[Hossamania]

Tomcat, they were more than happy to pay that $15M, look at all the tuners and SE Exhaust it has sold for them.....and all the warranty they denied.
Let's face it, $15M to mother Harley is nothing, they spend that every quarter advertising to Millenials and they don't have any product they can afford

Just my take on the whole $15M fine deal

I don't know that they were "more than happy" to pay a $15M fine. That's still a lot of money and bad press. If you don't think it's a lot of money and make $50k a year, try just pulling $1500 out of your pocket. It's a lot of money. Especially if you have to explain it to your wife, or shareholders.

[Buglet]

    Then why is it that people that make less then 50K a year have no problem pulling $1500.00 out of they pocket and people making twice that can't. Sorry about getting of track.

[tomcat64]

TTS tuned bikes ALL got flagged.

Do you know if the calibration id's had been changed to match the HD ones?

I got nuthin,, but I can ask.. our Dyno guy is out this week,,,

[BVHOG]

One thing I need to test is taking a street tuner, loading a map which will show up as "street tuned "on the digital tech. From what I have seen is pulling that map with the PV modifying it and reloading it will still show as "street tuned"  What I don't know is if using that PV cal in the future on  a different bike will show "street tuned" or not on the digital tech

[JMHD]

One thing I need to test is taking a street tuner, loading a map which will show up as "street tuned "on the digital tech. From what I have seen is pulling that map with the PV modifying it and reloading it will still show as "street tuned"  What I don't know is if using that PV cal in the future on  a different bike will show "street tuned" or not on the digital tech

Good question, I think it is switched in the ecm itself and not the map, (from what i have experienced anyway). In the past with the race tuner I have put a bike back to stock configuration for resale and flashed a oem calibration with the digital tech and it still shows that it is still race tuned. Thats the opposite way of what you were wondering.

[HV]

From what Ive seen too the "Street Tuned" notice goes in when the Street tuner is married to the ECM....in a perfect world there would be an Option in the PV Software to add Street tuned to the Cal ID ...... One Bike we had Flagged by the Moco had claims OKed on anything NON engine related ....and as others say..the ESP Warranty's are far tougher now ...Slip Ons alone are no issue..... Changed Head pipes and Full systems are another matter ....

[sandrooney]

What about slip on's on a softail where the cats are in the mufflers. Thanks

[lesguns]

I put SE mufflers on 18 Delux and dealer said no problem with Warranty-anything else will require street tuner.

[sandrooney]

I believe the SE slip on's  do require the street tuner to keep warranty. I would check it out if I were you.

I was wanting to install aftermarket slip on's with no cats. I would install the street tuner as well.

[rigidthumper]

I believe the SE slip on's  do require the street tuner to keep warranty. I would check it out if I were you.

I was wanting to install aftermarket slip on's with no cats. I would install the street tuner as well.

That alone is enough to flag the power train warranty, since the bike no longer meets EPA/DOT/CARB  requirements. Fed laws cover non tampering, and the settlement (https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/pages/attachments/2017/07/20/env_enforcement-2673483-v1-lodged_revised_cd.pdf) forces HD to void warranty and report those to the feds.