Cam for Old Mans 117

[N456SK]

2012 117, street ported 103 heads, 10-1 static, cam now is andrews 54. I would like to have more low end power, care nothing about 4K and up but don't want to get into pinging problems here in Ok and Texas heat. I am considering a CR 575, TTS 150, TMan 580PS, ?, what do you experts recommend? Bike also has Kurakyn power duals wit crusher mellows, stock TB with 5.3 injectors!
Thanks Steve

[Ohio HD]

I have not the experience with these cams yet, but I will soon. The TTS-150 cams for Twin Cam motors. The TTS-250 you mentioned is for Milwaukee 8 motors.

I've seen several dyno sheets of 117 motors and these cams, they make a great touring type of rig. I've also conversed with those that have tuned them.

They're worth considering. Your compression is good at 10:1.

[Yellow09SERG]

2012 117, street ported 103 heads, 10-1 static, cam now is andrews 54. I would like to have more low end power, care nothing about 4K and up but don't want to get into pinging problems here in Ok and Texas heat. I am considering a CR 575, TTS 150, TMan 580PS, ?, what do you experts recommend? Bike also has Kurakyn power duals wit crusher mellows, stock TB with 5.3 injectors!
Thanks Steve

Steve,
Running the 24d kury cams in my 117. I live in that heat of OK and have been very happy with them. 89 octane friendly with if you ride in Oklahoma you will sooner or later find yourself in a position where that's the best there is. The one difference might be I am running the 110 heads set at 93 cc. Not sure where your heads are at

[838]

What about CR570-2, Andrews 48, woods5-6... your at a compression range that gives you many options... I'd be looking for ICE around 30-35... Andrews 48 is at 29 degrees and might be cool on stilts intake side. I'm not  an expert, just a nerd.. Get a great tune.

[Hillside Motorcycle]

2012 117, street ported 103 heads, 10-1 static, cam now is andrews 54. I would like to have more low end power, care nothing about 4K and up but don't want to get into pinging problems here in Ok and Texas heat. I am considering a CR 575, TTS 150, TMan 580PS, ?, what do you experts recommend? Bike also has Kurakyn power duals wit crusher mellows, stock TB with 5.3 injectors!
Thanks Steve

Wood 6

[N456SK]

I'm afraid the 570-2 might be pushing it a little, I liked the 110 Hillside done a while back with the 575, will the gain with any of them be enough to justify over the Andrews 54?
Steve

[Sunny Jim]

Just advance your 54 4 degrees.

[rigidthumper]

2012 117, street ported 103 heads, 10-1 static, cam now is andrews 54. I would like to have more low end power, care nothing about 4K and up but don't want to get into pinging problems here in Ok and Texas heat. I am considering a CR 575, TTS 150, TMan 580PS, ?, what do you experts recommend? Bike also has Kurakyn power duals wit crusher mellows, stock TB with 5.3 injectors!
Thanks Steve

Any chance you have a dyno sheet? I'm curious where the power is on the current build.

[skunk]

Just advance your 54 4 degrees.

I ran the 54 advanced 4* in my 103" at 10.15. Rolled 114h/117tq. Kinda like a 37 on stilts, same closing as the 37 when advanced 4* . Very nice combo on the bagger I had at the time. Put a lot of miles on that combo.
In my 08 117 I'm running a CR630I, but that ride comes in around 11-1

Earlier closing of the 54 advanced 4* should move your torque curve to the left for very little money, cost of the gear, and a few gaskets.

[N456SK]

No dyno sheet, gonna have GMR tune it, but thought about a cam change before I do. I had actually thought about advancing the 54 or just getting it tuned which may help! It's time to change lifters anyway!
Steve

[rigidthumper]

No dyno sheet, gonna have GMR tune it, but thought about a cam change before I do. I had actually thought about advancing the 54 or just getting it tuned which may help!
Steve

I ran the simulator with the #s you previously posted ( 117/11.5 dish/82cc heads/etc) and came closer to 10.4:1.
I like the combo of the TTS150, V&H power chamber duals, and Kury Crusher Mellows, for your setup.

[N456SK]

Pistons 11.5 dish
Heads 86.5
.030 hg
Pistons .004 down
Right at 10.01, my calculations
Steve

[rigidthumper]

Pistons 11.5 dish
Heads 86.5
.030 hg
Pistons .004 down
Right at 10.01, my calculations
Steve

Cool- I had read a previous post that showed the numbers I used. @ 10.1:1, I'd be tempted to use the TTS100 for more low end.

[Hillside Motorcycle]

I had just posted a Wood 6....it disappeared.
It works VERY WELL at 10.0 cr in a 117".
A fellow member here has one that RC Cycles tuned.......120 ft/lbs at 2300....peaking at 136 at 3800.
124 hp.

[Coyote]

I had just posted a Wood 6....it disappeared.

This?  https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=107873.msg1283333#msg1283333

[Hillside Motorcycle]

There it is.

[Tail Ridr]

I had just posted a Wood 6....it disappeared.

This?  https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=107873.msg1283333#msg1283333

Wish i could see it...

[838]

I had just posted a Wood 6....it disappeared.
It works VERY WELL at 10.0 cr in a 117".
A fellow member here has one that RC Cycles tuned.......120 ft/lbs at 2300....peaking at 136 at 3800.
124 hp.

Is this the woods 6 with .510 lift? Or .590?

[Jim Bronson]

I can only comment on the V&H power duals and the mellows. That's a great combo for my SE 110, and my tuner really likes them.

BTW, careful with the "old man's" stuff. After your first ride, your face will start breaking out again...   

[dave brode]

Not mine, but fyi;

https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=107882.msg1283906#new

TW-5-6
17/37 - 39/15
234 234
.575 .575
.174
.160

[TN]

With the HD 117" kit at 9.9 - 1, using the TTS 150, what would the CCP be?

[yobtaf103]

No dyno sheet, gonna have GMR tune it, but thought about a cam change before I do. I had actually thought about advancing the 54 or just getting it tuned which may help! It's time to change lifters anyway!
Steve

I' be asking GMR/steve for cam suggestions with his tuning/those conditions maybe

[RTMike]

How about a Redshift 657 with that compression will be what your looking for

[ndmp40]

The 103 heads are going to like a decent cam on a 117, even with a street port.  If you want to make great power, find a set of 110 heads and have them worked over.  Or move to a full out 103 head with a large intake valve.

The 103 heads are a restriction on a 103, much less than a 117, so you are going to need more cam than you think to make great power.  Put alot of head on it and you can then cam it conservatively and get results worthy of spending money on a 117.

[Hillside Motorcycle]

I had just posted a Wood 6....it disappeared.
It works VERY WELL at 10.0 cr in a 117".
A fellow member here has one that RC Cycles tuned.......120 ft/lbs at 2300....peaking at 136 at 3800.
124 hp.

Is this the woods 6 with .510 lift? Or .590?

Yes the 6 cam, not the 6H.
It is not the cam, but rather how the cam is made to work.
Always remember, there might be magic beans, but there are NO magic cams.

[TN]

With the HD 117" kit at 9.9 - 1, using the TTS 150, what would the CCP be?

With .030 head gasket, pistons .004 in the hole front and rear it is 213f-213r the dyno graph won't impress you but real world riding is a pleasure. The dd7 I installed with it just adds to the pleasure.

Just Ride

[Barrett]

Advance it 4* and go with a 30T pulley..

[scott7d]

I absolutely loved the CR 575's in my previous 113. 120/125 with very early progressive torque. And enough top end should you choose to want or need it for whatever circumstance.

https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=92979.msg1073223#msg1073223

[TN]

Guess I didn't post mine. I got exactly what I was looking for in going this route, just need a reliable engine to push this 1k lb pig around. I was satisfied with the 110 and 255 cams after mufflers and tune, and yes I ride aggressively at times.  I've had this bike since new 10/2008 and looks like I'll have it for years to come, lord willing.

Enjoy the ride

[Ohio HD]

Guess I didn't post mine. I got exactly what I was looking for in going this route, just need a reliable engine to push this 1k lb pig around. I was satisfied with the 110 and 255 cams after mufflers and tune, and yes I ride aggressively at times.  I've had this bike since new 10/2008 and looks like I'll have it for years to come, lord willing.

Enjoy the ride

Nothing wrong with that.     

[TN]

Took a few times for me to get it right, I think I have her cobbled together properly now.

117" SE kit, 58mm SE throttle body, TTS 150, 10.3 static, 205 CCP. 

[Ohio HD]

Looks good, power where you need / want it.

Just to help you spend some money, add some of Larry's head work later to that setup, and you'll see more at the very beginning and at the end of the sheet.

I bet it's a good ride now.   

[Don D]

He had his heads done by Sachs. Sachs does fine work.

[Ohio HD]

I didn't see where he had head work done, But thanks for point that out.

You assumed I was knocking John, I wasn't.

[Don D]

No assumptions, I knew you missed it, just pointing out Johns quality and no knock on Larry. All good.

[Wookie3011]

TTS-150  Has got my vote. 2016 117" with TTS150 128TQ 117HP. 110TQ 2000 RPM to Redline

[838]

We just did a 117" 10.2:1 with the s&s570. 190 ccp tuned 130/121 on 89 pump gas. Bike rolls on smooth and hits hard if you wack the throttle, great street manners and runs cool... We were also looking at tts-150 but held off because these are second hand, big valved, 96" heads and I wanted to be certain of valve to valve clearance... though Steve Cole (tts 150s developer) said there would "most likely" not be any issue. Didn't know about the 3103 cam at the time, or that might have gone in there instead.

[Don D]

We may be losing perspective. This is a 117" motor. The 96 heads can work fine. Why short cam the motor?  I have used the TTS-150 many times and it has its place. It has been my go to lately with our 107 kits. In a 117" motor 242 or thereabouts duration is still a mild cam. Not a fan of the added exhaust duration and in a 240 degree tight lobe center grind, 117" torque approaching 140 big and fat is a possibility also without PMS, pipe gets the billing here and needs to cooperate. Opening the back door too soon and too long sends work out the pipe and ends up with a screwed up the overlap cycle. I don't hate any cam grind but move toward grinds that don't bias the exhaust side with added duration. The twin cam and M8 have good ports relatively speaking and many of the pipes work well too.

[Ohio HD]

TTS-150  Has got my vote. 2016 117" with TTS150 128TQ 117HP. 110TQ 2000 RPM to Redline

They are a unique set of cams. Timing and duration are what's unique. That creates unusual CL values, but just works.

Way too many guys get caught up in the dyno sheet HP results for past 5,000 rpm. These can still give power past 5,000, but it's not where these cams are designed to work. And unless you're intent is to ride WFO all the time, or goal is to have the power but not really use it. Then other cams are better choices.

They work fine in larger motors. It all depends on what you'll use it for.  How heavy the bike is, gearing, etc.

[Tommy D]

TTS-150  Has got my vote. 2016 117" with TTS150 128TQ 117HP. 110TQ 2000 RPM to Redline

They are a unique set of cams. Timing and duration are what's unique. That creates unusual CL values, but just works.

Way too many guys get caught up in the dyno sheet HP results for past 5,000 rpm. These can still give power past 5,000, but it's not where these cams are designed to work. And unless you're intent is to ride WFO all the time, or goal is to have the power but not really use it. Then other cams are better choices.

They work fine in larger motors. It all depends on what you'll use it for.  How heavy the bike is, gearing, etc.

Cole did his brainiac work indeed in designing 👍🏼

I ran his 100 grind in a TC 107 & it was sneaky quick spooling up through the gears & not even knowing it

[TN]

When I first chose the TTS 150 cams to do this build a few vendors tried to steer me in another direction, I chose a guy to do my heads the first time and I got screwed. Still used them but had no confidence at all in his workmanship. Bought a new set of heads sent them to John told him what cams, only thing I said was "I want a set of 100k mile heads" So there is the two dyno sheets to compare. John impressed me not only with his work, his customer service is second to none.

In the real world riding I consider my ride perfect for me now, I don't drag race, never done a burnout on my own ride and I don't sit in the rocking chair racing with my dyno graph like some I know. With that being said lets go for a ride on some twisties and I'll stay on your 6 like glue, till I decide to pass you, then we'll talk.

I consider myself a parts changer and leave the rest up to the professionals, I've gained valuable info here and just like to share my real world experiences as I can.

Be Safe and Just Ride!

Just got back from a 3k+ ride in the Smokies so I'm all jacked up 

forgot to list my exhaust system, fullsac dx pipe, fullsac 2.25" baffles.

[Tommy D]

When I first chose the TTS 150 cams to do this build a few vendors tried to steer me in another direction, I chose a guy to do my heads the first time and I got screwed. Still used them but had no confidence at all in his workmanship. Bought a new set of heads sent them to John told him what cams, only thing I said was "I want a set of 100k mile heads" So there is the two dyno sheets to compare. John impressed me not only with his work, his customer service is second to none.

In the real world riding I consider my ride perfect for me now, I don't drag race, never done a burnout on my own ride and I don't sit in the rocking chair racing with my dyno graph like some I know. With that being said lets go for a ride on some twisties and I'll stay on your 6 like glue, till I decide to pass you, then we'll talk.

I consider myself a parts changer and leave the rest up to the professionals, I've gained valuable info here and just like to share my real world experiences as I can.

Be Safe and Just Ride!

Just got back from a 3k+ ride in the Smokies so I'm all jacked up 

forgot to list my exhaust system, fullsac dx pipe, fullsac 2.25" baffles.

Good post, TN 🍻