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Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« on: July 11, 2019, 05:44:06 AM »
Soo, after 8 months without a Harley in the garage I'm heading tomorrow to check on a mid 90s FXSTS.

Are there any bigger issues with these mid 90s Evos to watch for or are they as good others? This one has about 37k miles on the clock but that is about all that I know of it at the moment.
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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2019, 06:07:40 AM »
leaking base gaskets, rocker box gaskets, primary gaskets, and with anything that old, intake mani gaskets and wiring.
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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2019, 07:59:46 AM »
What year bike? '96 was a changeover year to better, waterproof upper controls.
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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2019, 09:56:09 AM »
leaking base gaskets, rocker box gaskets, primary gaskets, and with anything that old, intake mani gaskets and wiring.
So, pretty much standard stuff fairly easy to take care of.  :beer:
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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2019, 09:57:00 AM »
What year bike? '96 was a changeover year to better, waterproof upper controls.
Most likely a -97 but I can verify that after I see the VIN.
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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2019, 10:00:10 AM »
leaking base gaskets, rocker box gaskets, primary gaskets, and with anything that old, intake mani gaskets and wiring.
So, pretty much standard stuff fairly easy to take care of.  :beer:
Pretty much, there'll likely be a long list of little things that pop up.

It's also likely to have been modified a bit by someone in the last 20+ years. So if they happen to know what was changed, be sure to double check the quality of the work. My '92 had some dude get too happy with dikes and a roll of black wire. Everything was run with black.
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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2019, 10:24:51 AM »
Thanks, guys. Bike has been sitting for the past 18 months so let's see if it runs and how well - old gas need to be replaced etc.
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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2019, 12:19:47 PM »
Gaskets are nothing . Evo's are pretty much bullet proof and a lot less maintenance and cost to fix than a twin cam .

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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2019, 01:05:04 PM »
my  '95 evo has been fairly bullet proof.. at almost 160k it is a dead nuts reliable bike. I have replaced some of wear items over the years, cam & lifters, rotor& Stator a couple times.. took the top end off at 110k and everything was within tolerance, re-ringed it, just because it was apart, had the heads checked, put in valves and guides, i did replace the the studs and head bolts....as i had a small base gasket leak for years. I replaced the spring plate in the clutch pack(still original clutch plates and drive plates.
   The best bike i have ever owned, i am keeping and eye out for a 90's FXLR, I am an Evo guy all the way, i have a twin cam, love it... if i could only have one bike, it would be a mid 90's evo

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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2019, 02:35:34 PM »
Springers tear up steering head bearings and races frequently. Check for flat spots, or tight spots when moving the handle bars right and left. Also looseness when pointed straight ahead.
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2019, 03:38:42 PM »
Evo's are pretty much bullet proof and a lot less maintenance and cost to fix than a twin cam .
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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2019, 06:11:03 PM »
Thanks, guys. Bike has been sitting for the past 18 months so let's see if it runs and how well - old gas need to be replaced etc.
if that has been sitting that long no way will that start if the carby wasnt draind prior to storage

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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2019, 09:28:52 PM »
Early 94 back all have the messed up narrow rear sprocket that will come loose and eat the splines.

A left side trans leak is a giveaway on these.

Sometimes you can see if the sprocket has a single lock screw (or none because it has sheared off) that is the early narrow hub sprocket.

If it has the 2 bolt locking tab it is the updated style that won't fall off.
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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2019, 05:20:02 AM »
It turned out to be a -97. And here it is at home.  :smile:

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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2019, 05:31:12 AM »
Early 94 back all have the messed up narrow rear sprocket that will come loose and eat the splines.

A left side trans leak is a giveaway on these.

Sometimes you can see if the sprocket has a single lock screw (or none because it has sheared off) that is the early narrow hub sprocket.

If it has the 2 bolt locking tab it is the updated style that won't fall off.

I agree. My '90 EVO had that problem.

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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2019, 05:31:45 AM »
Well, you didn't say it was a BadBoy, I really like those bikes. Looks good!
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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2019, 08:00:36 AM »
Thanks, Hoss.  :beer:

I wasn't sure and I had to see it first.

Was an interesting trip home: front tyre seemed low and I stopped to put some air in it but the rear one looked OK. Bike was a bit of a handful in roundabouts and intersections. At home I noticed the rear was at about 12 psi. It being a Metzeler Marathon it kept it's shape nevertheless. One should not assume...  :embarrassed: Marathon is from year 2000 so it is time for new tyres.

Bought a pair of Hiflo filters and a some Valvoline VR1 20W50 - old oil was black but I have seen worse. Need to change the plugs still so off to the shop now.

Them Screamin' Eagle slip-ons are a bit too loud but they will have to do for now.
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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2019, 08:09:36 AM »
my 96's base gaskets started to weep after about 103,000 miles, my cam, cam bearing were replaced due to a tweeker of a wrench I had working on the motor before I had time to.
if a Springer, the neck bearing and rockers 'should' be replaced. 
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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2019, 08:11:10 AM »
Nice buy Kari, a little TLC and she'll be scooting along just fine.
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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2019, 02:02:00 PM »
Congrats on that BAD BOY.. one of my favorite evos!!! looks great, best of luck with it

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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2019, 03:02:22 PM »
Awesome find.  I too, love that 3 year model....

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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2019, 06:32:06 PM »
Nice looking Bad Boy, don't see too many of those. Lifters are a 25k to 30k maint item on my Evo's
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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2019, 07:08:17 PM »
Nice find.   Always liked the FXSTS's.  Badboy or standard models.

Get the proper grease for the neck bearings, invest in a neck bearing installer and remover tool, then plan on replacing the bearings every 10k or so.  Like Larry said the springer is hard on neck bearings, first sign is notchy self centering behavior.

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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2019, 08:03:24 PM »
My last two machines were FX springers, 94 and 95 which is a Badboy. I love them,the springers aren't weak.I changed the bearings on the 94 after 40k but they really didn't need it. I like to play with them so I changed out the cam bearing and added an EV27 to the 94 and the same with the 95 but put a EV46 cam in it and good Cometec gaskets. The 95 I bought 3 yrs ago and it only had 2300 miles on it so it sat and was hardly used but there were no issues and I've had non except for my tinkering and I do that in the winter. Enjoy your bike.

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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2019, 11:39:37 PM »
cool bike  :up:
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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2019, 12:34:48 AM »
It turned out to be a -97. And here it is at home.  :smile:



nice ......  I need to find something like that

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« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2019, 09:03:44 AM »
Thank you, guys, for kind words and advises. I will "try" not to let it get out of hand so first tires and normal maintenance including brakes - that should do it for a while.
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« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2019, 05:31:01 PM »
very cool bike...I'd like to have a springer, but I'd want to add some rake to the front. I like the 96+ bikes for the better controls an connectors an no speedo cable. enjoy

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Re: Mid 90s Evos - anything special to watch for?
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2019, 10:36:32 AM »
I believe '97 (and '98) were 2 years that HD went to the tight clearance rod bearings (why - no one knows for certain - oil control?).  with the jugs off, pistons removed, you can position a rod so it isn't resting on the spigot hole and it will STAY where you position it!  Most rebuilders say that it isn't a good idea to get too carried away with hot rodding these engines without opening up the rod clearances a bit.  Just some information to keep in mind.  Nice bike though.

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« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2019, 01:18:51 PM »
Doesn't that clearance open up when the motor is hot?
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« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2019, 07:12:30 PM »
I believe '97 (and '98) were 2 years that HD went to the tight clearance rod bearings (why - no one knows for certain - oil control?).  with the jugs off, pistons removed, you can position a rod so it isn't resting on the spigot hole and it will STAY where you position it!  Most rebuilders say that it isn't a good idea to get too carried away with hot rodding these engines without opening up the rod clearances a bit.  Just some information to keep in mind.  Nice bike though.

Doesn't that clearance open up when the motor is hot?


I don’t think it was intended or on all engines.  Most 98’s were tight and it became known as a 98 issue.  I have 2 and they both “were” tight as described.  I was told by a couple of techs and a dealer friend that the MOCO had a goodwill campaign for a few years after warranty to fix failures but mine were noticed too late.  To be clear, mine did not fail but were noticed when freshening the engine and the barrels were removed.  I fixed mine and added the later model crank pins with better oil galleries etc.. 
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« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2019, 09:03:42 AM »
No tuning yet, just a couple of heat cycles.
EV13, about 9.0:1, mild cleaning of the heads, Dyna 2000i and Supermeg 2-1.
 
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« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2019, 04:09:06 AM »
Swap out the cam bearing and you'll be good to go .

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« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2019, 04:39:47 AM »
Yep, we did that.  :up: And the springer steering head bearings as well.
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« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2019, 06:25:53 AM »
Had a 92 flhtc and on a long trip pa. to colorado kept getting this oil leak. Turned out it was the engine case was seeping oil, from what i was told the casting was pouris when the cases were made. Not sure how many were like that.
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« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2019, 08:35:39 AM »
Clutch and brake levers are some cheap chrome junk and loose. Found the original aluminum levers in the box but brake lever is bent so need new one/ones.

Kury Silhouette levers too blingy or just about right?  :teeth:

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« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2019, 10:41:38 AM »
too blingy

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« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2019, 11:05:52 AM »
The fact that the brake lever is bent means the bike might have fallen over on the right side at some time, an all to common situation. The fact that it only bent and did not break is a testament to the toughness of the stock levers. Personally I'd look for a stock lever, either new (~$50) or on eBay. Many dudes replace the stock levers for the froo-froo chromo parts and sell the stockers for cheap. Part number is 45016-96.

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« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2019, 04:15:52 PM »
Yep I bought some Ergo levers for my 87 chrome is falling off....
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« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2020, 06:51:13 AM »
Dyno session tomorrow. Fingers crossed for 70+ hp - although I'm not holding my breath...  :teeth:
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« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2020, 10:11:49 AM »
I don't understand why folks spend the bucks for a dyno session and only focus on peak HP.
 
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« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2020, 12:33:37 PM »
We'll, I'm spending my Euros for tomorrow's dyno session to get the bike jetted, ignition adjusted/checked and Supermeg dialed in. I'm mostly interested in maximising the area under curve, we'll see.  :pop:
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« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2020, 06:29:06 PM »
Ask for the run files when they are done (e.g. bring a usb stick or have them emailed to you) - it makes it easier to create and post charts.

Here is a link to the result of the tuning session a few years back of my 1994 FLHR w/ Supermeg, incl. testing w/ open and closed endcap and various discs - 1994, 80", FLHR, V-Thunder 3030, Supertrapp Supermeg

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« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2020, 10:48:44 AM »
It was a fun day.  :smile:

This is the only graph I  have at the moment and that has torque in Nm and DIN values.

SAE figures I believe are around 70 hp and 83 lb-ft.

It runs very, very well but in the dyno it appears to have a stubborn rich area from around 2000 rpm to 4000. From 4000 onwards AFR is good. Rich middle starts just when you open the throttle, sort of like accelerator pump would pump too much but everything seems to be OK there.

Tried some combos with HD needle and jets but it was even worse with those - not so many different needles in stock. With Dynojet kit stuff it was better but with Dynojet spring it got worse.

For the moment we ended with Dynojet needle with circlip in 4th groove from the top and 160 main jet. Slow jet was 45, IIRC. Supermeg has closed end cap (open not in stock right now) and all 20 discs.

Probably would run very well as it is on the road but we will look at this again when the season starts.

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« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2020, 12:00:28 PM »
Looks like fun, I'll bet that really woke that motor up.
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