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Best fix for trans oil transfer

Started by jstitan2017, September 29, 2019, 01:26:03 PM

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jstitan2017

What is the best fix for the transmission oil transfer into the primary case? Is it the new breather hose from Harley or is it the replacement of the pushrod in the clutch from a 2014 CVO which is thicker than what's in the M8?

road-dawgs1

'24 FLTRX Sharkskin blue

jstitan2017

Did you have to pay for that or did they cover it?

Hossamania

Very timely post, a friend's just started doing it, a '17 with 40,000 miles. Goes in next week, hope he doesn't get the run around.
If the government gives you everything you want,
it can take everything you have.

road-dawgs1

Quote from: jstitan2017 on September 29, 2019, 02:58:01 PM
Did you have to pay for that or did they cover it?

Mine is a 19 and under warranty so it was covered.
'24 FLTRX Sharkskin blue

Durwood

This is what I use on them. Rocker Lockers is giving the kits away to people that want to beta test.

I have 3 of them in the field currently with zero transferring issues.

http://rockerlockers.com/wordpress/?page_id=215
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kd

Quote from: Durwood on September 30, 2019, 04:52:28 AM
This is what I use on them. Rocker Lockers is giving the kits away to people that want to beta test.

I have 3 of them in the field currently with zero transferring issues.

http://rockerlockers.com/wordpress/?page_id=215
[attach=0]


:doh:   Durwood, you know what happened last time a drawing for an HD cure was posted here.   :crook:  I hope it"s well protected by now. 
KD

Durwood

Quote from: kd on September 30, 2019, 04:57:15 AM
Quote from: Durwood on September 30, 2019, 04:52:28 AM
This is what I use on them. Rocker Lockers is giving the kits away to people that want to beta test.

I have 3 of them in the field currently with zero transferring issues.

http://rockerlockers.com/wordpress/?page_id=215
[attach=0,msg1317393]


:doh:   Durwood, you know what happened last time a drawing for an HD cure was posted here.   :crook:  I hope it"s well protected by now.
kd, I hear ya.

HD/Wrench

the rod that Gregg Williams sells works have  4 dozen plus installed no issues and I put one on the drum and did 3000- 3500-4000 RPM runs solved the issue .

tonyrocco

the fat clutch rod slowed my transfer down, but did not stop it. I put the vent kit in

Jobie

Dealer put the vent in my 18 King and with 4,500 miles with the vent, oil is below the dipstick again. Before the vent the usage was 10oz's in 300 miles with the sleeve in the main shaft. Yes, they took the sleeve out before the vent install. [ so they said ]  Going back in this winter, trying to get a few rides in before Michigan freezes over.  Just don't want to hear Harley say ...... That's acceptable.  If so, this bike is going and so am I, to an Indian or maybe a Wing stealer  Been riding HD's for 54 years and tired of living with this kind of bullshit from shitty quality control at best and not backing it up under their warranty.  Been living with this issue for two years now.  Warranty over in February and so am I.  Every new Harley I've bought from 2000 on has had issues like cam bearing failures to cranks twisting.  None of these issues ever happened at home, always when traveling and loaded down.  For the price HD gets for these beautiful machines they should run as good as they look.  Not just look good sitting in a parking lot.  Don't give a "Potty mouth" about the Harley image anymore, more interested in reliability and then performance in my Harley.  My Thought.......Harley sells great images, not so great motorcycles.   

thunderrat

Quote from: Jobie on October 29, 2019, 04:24:48 PM
For the price HD gets for these beautiful machines they should run as good as they look.  Not just look good sitting in a parking lot.  Don't give a "Potty mouth" about the Harley image anymore, more interested in reliability and then performance in my Harley.  My Thought.......Harley sells great images, not so great motorcycles.

That pretty much sums it up :cry:

cbumdumb

Quote from: Jobie on October 29, 2019, 04:24:48 PM
Dealer put the vent in my 18 King and with 4,500 miles with the vent, oil is below the dipstick again. Before the vent the usage was 10oz's in 300 miles with the sleeve in the main shaft. Yes, they took the sleeve out before the vent install. [ so they said ]  Going back in this winter, trying to get a few rides in before Michigan freezes over.  Just don't want to hear Harley say ...... That's acceptable.  If so, this bike is going and so am I, to an Indian or maybe a Wing stealer  Been riding HD's for 54 years and tired of living with this kind of bullshit from shitty quality control at best and not backing it up under their warranty.  Been living with this issue for two years now.  Warranty over in February and so am I.  Every new Harley I've bought from 2000 on has had issues like cam bearing failures to cranks twisting.  None of these issues ever happened at home, always when traveling and loaded down.  For the price HD gets for these beautiful machines they should run as good as they look.  Not just look good sitting in a parking lot.  Don't give a "Potty mouth" about the Harley image anymore, more interested in reliability and then performance in my Harley.  My Thought.......Harley sells great images, not so great motorcycles.

Amen

Sunny Jim

I installed a breather, a fat rod and I modified clutch slave cylinder housing.
No more transfer.

Hillside Motorcycle

Otto Knowbetter sez, "Even a fish wouldn't get caught if he kept his mouth shut"

rbabos

Quote from: Hillside Motorcycle on November 01, 2019, 03:36:14 AM
The $48.00 HD vent kit cures it.
I think what pisses me of is why should the owner with a known problem and a known factory fix have to pay for it. HD should fix the fk up on their dime.
Ron

klammer76

Quote from: rbabos on November 01, 2019, 05:28:11 AM
Quote from: Hillside Motorcycle on November 01, 2019, 03:36:14 AM
The $48.00 HD vent kit cures it.
I think what pisses me of is why should the owner with a known problem and a known factory fix have to pay for it. HD should fix the fk up on their dime.
Ron
Exactly Ron, across the board they should take care of them all, but you know how they roll.

Norton Commando

Quote from: Jobie on October 29, 2019, 04:24:48 PM
Dealer put the vent in my 18 King and with 4,500 miles with the vent, oil is below the dipstick again. Before the vent the usage was 10oz's in 300 miles with the sleeve in the main shaft. Yes, they took the sleeve out before the vent install. [ so they said ]  Going back in this winter, trying to get a few rides in before Michigan freezes over.  Just don't want to hear Harley say ...... That's acceptable.  If so, this bike is going and so am I, to an Indian or maybe a Wing stealer  Been riding HD's for 54 years and tired of living with this kind of bullshit from shitty quality control at best and not backing it up under their warranty.  Been living with this issue for two years now.  Warranty over in February and so am I.  Every new Harley I've bought from 2000 on has had issues like cam bearing failures to cranks twisting.  None of these issues ever happened at home, always when traveling and loaded down.  For the price HD gets for these beautiful machines they should run as good as they look.  Not just look good sitting in a parking lot.  Don't give a "Potty mouth" about the Harley image anymore, more interested in reliability and then performance in my Harley.  My Thought.......Harley sells great images, not so great motorcycles.

:agree:
Remember, you can sleep in your car, but you can't drive your house.

Hillside Motorcycle

Quote from: rbabos on November 01, 2019, 05:28:11 AM
Quote from: Hillside Motorcycle on November 01, 2019, 03:36:14 AM
The $48.00 HD vent kit cures it.
I think what pisses me of is why should the owner with a known problem and a known factory fix have to pay for it. HD should fix the fk up on their dime.
Ron

Oh.....no disagreement from me.
They will only attend to that free of charge, if the bike is still under warranty, as per our local HD store.
We even carry those in stock now....
Otto Knowbetter sez, "Even a fish wouldn't get caught if he kept his mouth shut"

IronButt70

November 04, 2019, 04:14:00 AM #19 Last Edit: November 04, 2019, 12:03:10 PM by FSG
Quote from: Hillside Motorcycle on November 04, 2019, 03:31:21 AM
Quote from: rbabos on November 01, 2019, 05:28:11 AM
Quote from: Hillside Motorcycle on November 01, 2019, 03:36:14 AM
The $48.00 HD vent kit cures it.
I think what pisses me of is why should the owner with a known problem and a known factory fix have to pay for it. HD should fix the fk up on their dime.
Ron

Oh.....no disagreement from me.
They will only attend to that free of charge, if the bike is still under warranty, as per our local HD store.
We even carry those in stock now....

Guy I know fixed his with a 1/8th 90° barbed hose fitting and some fuel line hose. Less than $5.  :nix:
No one else put you on the road you're on. It's your own asphalt.

Buglet

  Why not just get the vent hose for $4 in change then the kit.

HogMike

Quote from: BUGLET on November 04, 2019, 09:10:21 AM
  Why not just get the vent hose for $4 in change then the kit.

If the bike is out of warranty that is the way to go!
HOGMIKE
SoCal

scotman623

Quote from: Hillside Motorcycle on November 01, 2019, 03:36:14 AM
The $48.00 HD vent kit cures it.
I hope so!! Your doing mine during the 128 Build... I hear it solves the issue... Thanks, Scott
Always look forward...

PoorUB

I don't blame him. A $25,000-$30,000 should not have such simple to cure issues.

Re-engineer the tranny main shaft for a tighter fit of the release rod, put a simple oil seal at one end and vent the primary. Done deal. Either that or figure out why the primary has such a vacuum.

I just shake my head, it has been four model years and many are still not satisfied this issue is fixed.
I am an adult?? When did that happen, and how do I make it stop?!

kd

I think it was already determined that the change of design to the engine drive side brg assembly construction allows engine crankcase vacuum to invade the primary and pull oil from / through the transmission main shaft.  The phoney vent bandaid "fix" just prevents vacuum from building.   It doesn't address the real problem.
KD