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How about a Woods tw8 in 124 build?

Started by guesscrazy, October 10, 2019, 09:44:00 PM

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TorQuePimp

Quote from: Ohio HD on October 20, 2019, 11:05:16 AM
I'll offer what I did before. If it's being built by someone else, let them give you some details of what they suggest after you tell the what's important to you. And since you're in Tennessee, I'd get in contact with Brandon Johnson at J&B Performance Cycles. They can build it for you, tune it for you, and they use some of the most respected names in the industry for head work, crank work, etc.

https://www.facebook.com/jandbperformance/

X2 history of solid builds and tunes.....cannot go wrong there👍

prodrag1320

go 124,between going 117 & 124,its a no brainer

guesscrazy

2014 Limited. On my 124 should I go gear drive cams or chain? I am inclined to do gear drive . What is the general consensus.
2014 Ultra Limited. 124 S&S kit , V&H Powerduals .Reinharts and alot or other do

FXDBI

How deep are your pockets? What's the budget ?  HP goals?  Gear drive needs a bullet proof straight bottom end.  Also going to depend on the cams being available in gear drive.
Bob

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guesscrazy

Quote from: FXDBI on October 21, 2019, 05:45:41 PM
How deep are your pockets? What's the budget ?  HP goals?  Gear drive needs a bullet proof straight bottom end.  Also going to depend on the cams being available in gear drive.
Bob
130 square. If gears a better then I will pay the difference. Plan on keeping this bike a long time. Are gears that much better than the current tensioner setup?
2014 Ultra Limited. 124 S&S kit , V&H Powerduals .Reinharts and alot or other do

kd

The late hydro tensioner are more forgiving and seem to be much better than the early version springs.  The gear drive delivers more accuracy if you are squeezing every ounce out but not really needed for a street bike. They will be a liability without proper crank prep and welding if you ride hard. Especially if you're a burnout type and hard shifter.
KD

Ohio HD

I can endorse this as a strong reliable 124". I average 36 to 37 mpg when just riding back roads. More if you cruise steady. Less when you run hard. Motor is smooth, really smooth power right off idle. Torque pulls you through the gears fast. Smooth running motor, S&S 625 cams have a great sound at idle is a bonus.

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jls 64

Quote from: kd on October 21, 2019, 06:59:32 PM
The late hydro tensioner are more forgiving and seem to be much better than the early version springs.  The gear drive delivers more accuracy if you are squeezing every ounce out but not really needed for a street bike. They will be a liability without proper crank prep and welding if you ride hard. Especially if you're a burnout type and hard shifter.

:agree:
js


Tireman

OP, As you stated in your other thread your setting this build up for touring. This was my goal as well when I did my 124 a few years ago. I could have gotten away with chain drive but chose to have more accurate valve timing and optimize the performance that the gear drive give for the extra $$. I figured I was in it this far why not! I added S&S premium lifter with limiter and I'd say it is the smoothest quietest motor I've heard. You won't regret going gear drive but chain drive would obviously do the job. Good luck with the build!
1984 FLHS 80" 57/61  2009 SG Mega Flo 124"152/154
2011 TG Mega Flo 117" 116/127

prodrag1320

go gear drive,with a S&S crank (which im sure your using) theres no worry about crank run out

Hillside Motorcycle

Otto Knowbetter sez, "Even a fish wouldn't get caught if he kept his mouth shut"

guesscrazy

Talked to a builder yesterday and he likes these 2 cams for 124 touring build. What do yall think of these cams?
585S&S or 999 woods? Pretty excited I am finally able to afford a 124 and some other upgrades for the scooter. Kids out of school, house is paid off and no more car payments.
2014 Ultra Limited. 124 S&S kit , V&H Powerduals .Reinharts and alot or other do

SB107

October 22, 2019, 07:07:14 AM #39 Last Edit: October 22, 2019, 07:15:05 AM by SB107
Quote from: guesscrazy on October 22, 2019, 05:28:03 AM
Talked to a builder yesterday and he likes these 2 cams for 124 touring build. What do yall think of these cams?
585S&S or 999 woods? Pretty excited I am finally able to afford a 124 and some other upgrades for the scooter. Kids out of school, house is paid off and no more car payments.

999 is a good cam but it makes a bit of racket in my 107" but i dont mind it.

Has decent low end and still pulls good out the back, Mine is set up at 11.3:1 ccp about 210.

I would recommend going with what your head porter thinks is best.
Mutant Motors 124"
161/148 STD, 158/145 SAE

CarlosGGodfrog

Go with S&S 570. More low end, and unless you cruise at above 4500 - 5000 rpm you will love the flexibility.
I have them in my 117 TC

838

Quote from: SB107 on October 22, 2019, 07:07:14 AM
Quote from: guesscrazy on October 22, 2019, 05:28:03 AM
Talked to a builder yesterday and he likes these 2 cams for 124 touring build. What do yall think of these cams?
585S&S or 999 woods? Pretty excited I am finally able to afford a 124 and some other upgrades for the scooter. Kids out of school, house is paid off and no more car payments.

999 is a good cam but it makes a bit of racket in my 107" but i dont mind it.

Has decent low end and still pulls good out the
Quote from: SB107 on October 22, 2019, 07:07:14 AM
Quote from: guesscrazy on October 22, 2019, 05:28:03 AM
Talked to a builder yesterday and he likes these 2 cams for 124 touring build. What do yall think of these cams?
585S&S or 999 woods? Pretty excited I am finally able to afford a 124 and some other upgrades for the scooter. Kids out of school, house is paid off and no more car payments.

999 is a good cam but it makes a bit of racket in my 107" but i dont mind it.

Has decent low end and still pulls good out the back,
Quote from: SB107 on October 22, 2019, 07:07:14 AM
Quote from: guesscrazy on October 22, 2019, 05:28:03 AM
Talked to a builder yesterday and he likes these 2 cams for 124 touring build. What do yall think of these cams?
585S&S or 999 woods? Pretty excited I am finally able to afford a 124 and some other upgrades for the scooter. Kids out of school, house is paid off and no more car payments.

999 is a good cam but it makes a bit of racket in my 107" but i dont mind it.

Has decent low end and still pulls good out the back, Mine is set up at 11.3:1 ccp about 210.

I would recommend going with what your head porter thinks is best.

👍

nosjunkie

124 with 640ez starts... I have this combo in my Glide and I ride it pretty hard and have put many miles on it...
LIVE FREE OR DIE..

Don D

At 124" you will need a -18cc piston. Lots of luck finding that, or the heads need to be opened up considerably.
I would do the 124" with water 110 CVO heads myself and a tman 590 cam. J&B would probably be on a similar page. They have dynoed builds that used my heads. The results are on here and on the CVO forum.

1workinman

Quote from: nosjunkie on October 22, 2019, 04:44:48 PM
124 with 640ez starts... I have this combo in my Glide and I ride it pretty hard and have put many miles on it...
That's what I use in my Road Glide with 145 inch an a 640 in my 124 with compression releases .  The 640 runs pretty decent with compression 

guesscrazy

Quote from: HD Street Performance on October 22, 2019, 04:57:59 PM
At 124" you will need a -18cc piston. Lots of luck finding that, or the heads need to be opened up considerably.
I would do the 124" with water 110 CVO heads myself and a tman 590 cam. J&B would probably be on a similar page. They have dynoed builds that used my heads. The results are on here and on the CVO forum.
I went to a shop today and he said they would open up the chambers, no problem.I pointed out that the 103 wethead chambers are much smaller. Makes me go hum? Lots of different opinions.
2014 Ultra Limited. 124 S&S kit , V&H Powerduals .Reinharts and alot or other do

nosjunkie

LIVE FREE OR DIE..

prodrag1320

Quote from: nosjunkie on October 22, 2019, 05:49:29 PM
I run the 110 heads on my 124"


we use 110 heads on pretty much every 124" built here

guesscrazy

I wonder why both shops I talked to say stock 103 wetheads are no problem? Neither shop has done a 124 wethead. Both are well know and have done many 117 and 124 heads.
2014 Ultra Limited. 124 S&S kit , V&H Powerduals .Reinharts and alot or other do

Don D

No problem doesn't necessarily mean best choice.
I could get either to work. Depends on the goal and budget which is a better choice and s 585 would not be my go to cam. But these are choices for others,  the shop you trust.