Self Tuners

[HV]

From my experience   IF you have an issue with the Bike ( IE Sumping with Engine Damage ) and HD sees ( sends an inspector as Extended warranty often does  ) a NON HD part of ANY Kind..... S&S tested compliant or not they can and HAVE refused and branded Bikes Power train warranty as invalid  The first thing they will look at is the pipes ,Mufflers,Intake System   Getting a Part Certified emissions compliant  is one thing.....getting it HD Certified is another

[Hossamania]

From my experience   IF you have an issue with the Bike ( IE Sumping with Engine Damage ) and HD sees ( sends an inspector as Extended warranty often does  ) a NON HD part of ANY Kind..... S&S tested compliant or not they can and HAVE refused and branded Bikes Power train warranty as invalid  The first thing they will look at is the pipes ,Mufflers,Intake System   Getting a Part Certified emissions compliant  is one thing.....getting it HD Certified is another

That is where I was trying to go with my statement.

[HV]

Yes it does suck that they do this too....but having had more then one customers Bikes warranty refused is not a fun thing...we all know that in most cases a set of pipes etc will not hurt a bike and the damage ive seen from sumping etc had absolutely nothing to do with Pipes.... Ac... or tuner for that matter .....but any excuse they can find to kill the warranty they seem to be looking for.... not like it used to be when they tried to work with Customers .....now its the opposite....

[hulkss]

From my experience   IF you have an issue with the Bike ( IE Sumping with Engine Damage ) and HD sees ( sends an inspector as Extended warranty often does  ) a NON HD part of ANY Kind..... S&S tested compliant or not they can and HAVE refused and branded Bikes Power train warranty as invalid  The first thing they will look at is the pipes ,Mufflers,Intake System   Getting a Part Certified emissions compliant  is one thing.....getting it HD Certified is another

H-D can certainly do as they please, however, there is no requirement to use H-D certified parts. The warranty clearly states: "The use of non-Harley-Davidson replacement parts does not invalidate the existing warranty, if any, on other Harley-Davidson components unless the non-Harley-Davidson parts cause damage to warrented parts or result in the creation of an emissions non-compliant motorcycle."

I used emissions compliant parts, had H-D install them, and had H-D tune them with their tuner. I believe I've met the requirements for warranty unless the S&S muffler causes damage to the bike. I doubt that it will.

Back on topic, the bike sounds and runs great with the "Self Tuner" installed . According to the technician, better than others with the Street Tuner alone.

[HV]

I agree 100% that the Bike will run better with the Auto Tuner system then the Street Tuner alone ...... Its as good as you will get using the HD Tuner .....

[Pirsch Fire Wagon]

For non-EPA builds on 2018 and prior canbus bikes, the SE Pro Super Tuner does work with the Smart Tune Pro wideband tuning module.

EVERYTHING Harley sells is CA Compliant - There is no more Federal Compliant Parts

[hulkss]

Speaking of "Self Tuners". For comparison I downloaded the ThunderMax software and opened a tune file for my bike.

Wow....the AFR at cruise conditions is really rich. Any good reason for that?

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[Pirsch Fire Wagon]

Speaking of "Self Tuners". For comparison I downloaded the ThunderMax software and opened a tune file for my bike.

Wow....the AFR at cruise conditions is really rich. Any good reason for that?

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My understanding when I used to Tune them as I was told when asking a very similar question was   "...our initial tunes are set the way they are to ensure they work across many platforms... it's up to the end-user to make the appropriate corrections...."

When I lived in Maryland I would peek my head in every once and a while and chat. That was prior to them being sold. IMO since sale their support has suffered some. Perhaps because they have expanded and become a larger business not necessarily "needing the new customer". That was back in 2005

You could call them directly and inquire.