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Offline Tynker

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'09 Touring with low power
« on: December 02, 2019, 03:49:42 PM »
Friend of a friend came over for me to check out his bike, for low power. He just bought it and said max speed is about 85 mph. I checked and cleaned his dirty air filter,and replaced the plugs (35 original miles). Not much  change. Then I noticed that the rocker covers, nose cone, trans right cover and several other items were powder coated. I just wondered if maybe the original owner pulled the cams, and maybe re installed 1 tooth off. That would explain the lack of power. It starts fine,and revs up OK, but not like it should, seems week. Any ideas from you gurus ??
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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2019, 03:53:36 PM »
Model?  Sounds like symptoms of a sumping problem too.
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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2019, 03:56:36 PM »
Do a compression test.  That should show if a cam is a tooth off.

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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2019, 04:20:26 PM »
Compression test, but unhook the compression releases IF it has them.

Run it down the road, and roll it into the garage, try not to idle it for long and carefully pull the plug in the bottom of the crankcase and see how much oil you get out. 4-5 ounces, no problem, it you get a lot more than that there is a oil pump issue.
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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2019, 04:31:56 PM »
 :agree:  Even more importantly, be very very careful reinstalling that drain plug.  DO NOT over tighten it.  The cases are thin and fragile at that location.
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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2019, 06:33:59 PM »
Thanks to all who answered. He is supposed to bring it back tomorrow night. I will ride it down the road and back, about 10 miles, and pull the plug. That might be the problem, as he said the engine gets very hot, which is a  trait of sumping
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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2019, 04:51:25 AM »
Just curious...


E.F.I. or Carb ?
Modifications ?
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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2019, 05:18:09 AM »
No carbs in 2009 model year, but there were a lot of gutless 96"ers.
Is the 7th digit of the VIN a 4 (96") or an M (103)?
My 2010 96" made something like 68 torque and 58 horsepower fresh from the factory. Wouldn't pull a sick demon off of a church pew.
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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2019, 05:58:18 AM »
Yeah, I  traded in my 2005 with a warmed up 95" on a 2010 with a 96". It didn't take long to slide down that slippery slope and rip it a part.
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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2019, 04:26:06 PM »
No carbs in 2009 model year, but there were a lot of gutless 96"ers.
Is the 7th digit of the VIN a 4 (96") or an M (103)?
My 2010 96" made something like 68 torque and 58 horsepower fresh from the factory. Wouldn't pull a sick demon off of a church pew.
Yea I had one it never gave any problem but my TDI Jetta was faster , all my good friends use to just blow by me . I don't miss it . I finally found a way to stop that crap and now they don't even try damn lol

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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2019, 04:52:16 PM »
Just curious...


E.F.I. or Carb ?
Modifications ?
Bike is FI, and seems stock as far as I could see. He is ordering F/R brake pads,as it needs them. He is also ordering cam cover, rocker cover gaskets. He wants me to pull the lower plug when he gets the parts, and rides it here. Has there been any problem with the piston cooling jets, on the twinkie motors, or just on the M8's.
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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2019, 04:58:15 PM »
No carbs in 2009 model year, but there were a lot of gutless 96"ers.
Is the 7th digit of the VIN a 4 (96") or an M (103)?
My 2010 96" made something like 68 torque and 58 horsepower fresh from the factory. Wouldn't pull a sick demon off of a church pew.

 My old 2010 Heritage with a 96" cid, it wouldn't pull a sick whore off the toilet. I installed Andrew 48's and SE adjustable's and a tune at Harley. I still was not satisfied. I traded it in for a 1014 103 HO Road King.  I was then very happy.
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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2019, 06:18:35 PM »
No carbs in 2009 model year, but there were a lot of gutless 96"ers.
Is the 7th digit of the VIN a 4 (96") or an M (103)?
My 2010 96" made something like 68 torque and 58 horsepower fresh from the factory. Wouldn't pull a sick demon off of a church pew.

 My old 2010 Heritage with a 96" cid, it wouldn't pull a sick whore off the toilet. I installed Andrew 48's and SE adjustable's and a tune at Harley. I still was not satisfied. I traded it in for a 1014 103 HO Road King.  I was then very happy.
  lol that sums it up . I did the same thing Traded it for a used Street Glide that was checked out at the Harley dealer and ready to go well out the f in door the POS motor started to knock rod in less than 1000 miles .  It did run better well a little while . I can say that the 96 inch was pretty reliably turd lol .

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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2019, 08:57:16 PM »
Maybe the cat is plugging up?

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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2019, 02:17:10 AM »
No CAT on an '09, unless it's a California bike.
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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2019, 05:00:22 AM »
No CAT on an '09, unless it's a California bike.

I thought the cats were in the mufflers on '09s. Is this true of only the California models?
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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2019, 05:12:31 AM »
From what I remember, Cali bikes got the cat head pipe touring models, and cats in the mufflers on other models.
2010 saw cats in everything nationwide.

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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2019, 08:58:39 AM »
Tell him to try 5th gear.
I guess the dead chicken thing don't work anymore.

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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2019, 09:25:13 AM »
Tell him to try 5th gear.

That could very well be the issue. I'm a fan of 4th myself when accelerating at hiway speeds.
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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2019, 10:49:53 AM »
09 cvo touring has a cat.

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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2019, 11:07:32 AM »
Tell him to try 5th gear.
I did, and it is still a dog. I think it is sumping,as it gets real hot,and low on power. I will know more when he brings it back to me.

 Still no answer about loose piston jets on the Twin Cams??
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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2019, 11:20:11 AM »
Never saw loose piston jets on TC engines- they used orings instead of gaskets.

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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2019, 03:44:43 PM »
Tell him to try 5th gear.
I did, and it is still a dog. I think it is sumping,as it gets real hot,and low on power. I will know more when he brings it back to me.

 Still no answer about loose piston jets on the Twin Cams??

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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2019, 04:50:03 PM »
Never saw loose piston jets on TC engines- they used orings instead of gaskets.

 Thanks. I have never heard of them getting loose either, but I thought I would ask.
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Re: '09 Touring with low power
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2019, 04:03:20 AM »
Are you anywhere near a dyno? Shops will usually do a couple of runs, as a baseline, for a nominal fee.
Once measured, next steps can be planned out.