2016 FatBoyS 110 to 117 Build

[Ohio HD]

Yes it does, you change the primary ratio value. Easy. 

[itsafatboy]

I would bump comp to 11.1 run the TMAN 660PS , if you want to stay there the woods TW8G is a great cam kind of noisy but in my 116" I got 132 hp and 140tq on the TW8 ,  run TW9BG now at 11.3 or so ,

just my opinion though   

[Wookie3011]

I would like to stay where it runs well on 89. So I'm assuming 10:5.1 is my top limit. If that wrong someone tell me. Thanks for letting me know. I forgot my  TTS can adjust ratios and spedo.

[Ohio HD]

If your plan is to run 89 always, and not the occasional when I have to, with the TTS-150 you might want to drop to a range of 10:1 to 10.2:1 static compression.

[Wookie3011]

I wont Run it always. Sometimes when I'm out Riding it's all they will have. I only use non ethanol. I use Octane boost because the nonethonal is 89 only. There may be times I can't get the booster so I'll look at that and thanks OhioHD with everything going on I've put in on hold for the work. Unless I can slap it back together with TTS cams and get 10:2.1 which I know I cant without Zero Decking them. Gonna wait to see if my job dont shut down before I spend another Dime. It will be there. Kind of disappointing but Priorities. Always have had the food on hand. Been preparing for 2 decades. I've seen the writing all the walls per say and I read alot of their books and white papers. Hopefully I'm just paranoid and crazy.

[Hossamania]

What type of octane boost are you using?

[Wookie3011]

VP Racing octane Booster.

[Wookie3011]

VP seems to work well anyone know of anything better. I know alot of the octane Boosters are just show. Dont know if this product is but I have seen good reviews on it but no actual numbers as to what it actually raises it to. I usually use 1/2 per tank full. It's what I tuned with via PowerVision. I used TTS at first but couldn't grid of heavy pinging and I wasn't about to run like that for long.. I know TTS is more Capable but in the right hands. I found a knowledgeable TTS Tuner so now it's just getting all the pieces and going to hang out with him.

[kd]

You'll soon get tired of packing that octane booster with you and the added cost.  That TTS is capable of providing a good tune so you won't need it.  The cost of the tune will quickly pay for itself in added satisfaction with a cooler better running engine.  Have it tuned on low octane and any better grade fuel will work fine.  Not so if you tune with high octane and get forced to fill with lower grade fuel.  Especially in hot weather or different elevations.

[Wookie3011]

The Engine Temp is the main Reason I ran out and got a tuner. I could feel it Overheating. It was crazy how hot it Got. When I first got the TTS and seen the temps Reaching 450-480 I knew if I left that tune it was just a matter of time before it all went south. Now it never goes over 300. I'm sure a knowledgeable Tuner could get it cooler and better Power, MPG the whole nine yards. When I got that Dynojet PowerVision I thought Now anyone using Dynojet Can use it to tune it. They still want me to buy a licence. I guess its Different. At 28.00 a can I was Tired of buying it the 1st time. I looked High and low for a local that sold Premium Non Ethonal. Guess it just isnt in high Demand or the man dont want us having it.

[kd]

It looks like you are from Kansas.  Give California Phil a call.  He may know a high quality tuner within reasonable range of where you are.  Maybe one of the vendors here can do it.   A real dyno tune by someone that is experienced and knows what he's doing will change your world.  You'll be glad you spent the money instead of guessing your way into a cooked engine.  That heat's not only effecting you.

[Ohio HD]

About 30 minutes away from Olathe, Ks is Joe Lyons. 

https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/board,99.0.html

[kd]

About 30 minutes away from Olathe, Ks is Joe Lyons. 

https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/board,99.0.html

  Joe IS your man.

[1workinman]

The Engine Temp is the main Reason I ran out and got a tuner. I could feel it Overheating. It was crazy how hot it Got. When I first got the TTS and seen the temps Reaching 450-480 I knew if I left that tune it was just a matter of time before it all went south. Now it never goes over 300. I'm sure a knowledgeable Tuner could get it cooler and better Power, MPG the whole nine yards. When I got that Dynojet PowerVision I thought Now anyone using Dynojet Can use it to tune it. They still want me to buy a licence. I guess its Different. At 28.00 a can I was Tired of buying it the 1st time. I looked High and low for a local that sold Premium Non Ethonal. Guess it just isnt in high Demand or the man dont want us having it.

I not sure how you check your engine temps but the way I keep tabs on my motor is with the engine oil temps . In both of my engines the 124 and the 143 both have the oil temp sending units in the pan and the gauge in the fairing that replaced the silly air temp gauge . What I noticed is that I installed the wards cooling fans and by using them and not doing a lot of in town driving or stop and go traffic my engine oil temps stay below 250 normally . That ridding 2 up also . Both bikes are tuned as I not interested in ridding them with out that done . Of course if I was to ride in 100 degrees day and idle in stop and go traffic in Dallas I be in real trouble but I never going to do that

[Admiral Akbar]

Ohio, where could one find the dynamic compression ratio calc. you posted?

On HTT

https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,105065.msg1243982.html#msg1243982

Things to note.

It's not dynamic compression.  It's corrected compression.

The original spreadsheet was done by a guy named Maurice Riggins with the help of a unnamed mechanical engineering student to calculate the piston location correctly to get the corrected compression ratio.

I added the Cranking compression calculation referencing formulas in Mark's Handbook for Mechanical Engineers.

I like the open version better where you can reference the table that shows corrected CR / CCP based on crank degrees.  The diagram on right right is a nice addition tho.

[Ohio HD]

Ohio, where could one find the dynamic compression ratio calc. you posted?

On HTT

https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,105065.msg1243982.html#msg1243982

Things to note.

It's not dynamic compression.  It's corrected compression.

The original spreadsheet was done by a guy named Maurice Riggins with the help of a unnamed mechanical engineering student to calculate the piston location correctly to get the corrected compression ratio.

I added the Cranking compression calculation referencing formulas in Mark's Handbook for Mechanical Engineers.

I like the open version better where you can reference the table that shows corrected CR / CCP based on crank degrees.  The diagram on right right is a nice addition tho.

Thanks for the history on this Max. I'll add that info to the sheet for additional disclosure.

You are correct the results are in static and corrected. Dynamic is as the motor runs through various RPM conditions I guess is a simple way to describe it. 

I'll do this, I'll add a note on the sheet for the sheet password for those so inclined to use it. I only locked it to keep less experienced Excel users from blowing up the sheet with formula typos and mistakes.

[Wookie3011]

The Engine Temp is the main Reason I ran out and got a tuner. I could feel it Overheating. It was crazy how hot it Got. When I first got the TTS and seen the temps Reaching 450-480 I knew if I left that tune it was just a matter of time before it all went south. Now it never goes over 300. I'm sure a knowledgeable Tuner could get it cooler and better Power, MPG the whole nine yards. When I got that Dynojet PowerVision I thought Now anyone using Dynojet Can use it to tune it. They still want me to buy a licence. I guess its Different. At 28.00 a can I was Tired of buying it the 1st time. I looked High and low for a local that sold Premium Non Ethonal. Guess it just isnt in high Demand or the man dont want us having it.

I not sure how you check your engine temps but the way I keep tabs on my motor is with the engine oil temps . In both of my engines the 124 and the 143 both have the oil temp sending units in the pan and the gauge in the fairing that replaced the silly air temp gauge . What I noticed is that I installed the wards cooling fans and by using them and not doing a lot of in town driving or stop and go traffic my engine oil temps stay below 250 normally . That ridding 2 up also . Both bikes are tuned as I not interested in ridding them with out that done . Of course if I was to ride in 100 degrees day and idle in stop and go traffic in Dallas I be in real trouble but I never going to do that

I use the reading from PowerVision and Also TTS Flight  I'm not exactly sure what they use to display these readings.
Did you install the sending Unit or is that factory. I would love more info on this. I have looked at the Mighty Mites and Jugs before as well as other's. I've seen the oil Dipsticks with digital readouts but would prefer a sending unit to the oil. I so very much appreciate all the information and love the information provided and shared within this Forum. I've learned so much and some still trying to understand. I use search all the time and Google stuff I dont. Thanks guys!

[Wookie3011]

Got the TTS-150 Cam. So let's talk Pushrods and lifters. I have read alot of information most pre 2010 about Harley Lifters and overall opinions to not use them. What lifters should I use? In by using this TTS150 Cams would it be better to have adjustable pushrods or use the perfect fit supplied in the Harley 110 to 117 Kit? Thanks.

[rigidthumper]

I like new lifters with new cams. The TTS150 uses stock pushrods and springs, so no need for perfect fit/adjustables. The 18401-03 Perfect Fit pushrod set that comes in the kit will put the cup of the plunger .030" farther down than stock, and some say that's actually quieter.
As far as lifters? S&S Premium are hard to beat, a little pricey, and offered by most of our board vendors.  WFO Larry (also a board vendor) sells good lifters too.

[Wookie3011]

I looked at WFO lifters. Should I get slow leak downs?

[Ohio HD]

Slow leak down would be good. Adding the pin oiling as well is money well spent.

2313SE

https://larrysmcymachineinc.square.site/product/2313se/1?cs=true

[Wookie3011]

Is that 159 per lifter or for a set of 4

[Coyote]

Is that 159 per lifter or for a set of 4

Set

[Wookie3011]

Ordering now and thanks

[Arseclown]

Surprised that nobody's said it and maybe that's because htt is often about getting the best out of things but the 117 kit out of the box fitted to the bike rides really well in my opinion and unless you're used to a big cube, high performing Harley it'll make you smile as it is. If I was installing from scratch I'd change lifters and maybe cam and head gasket but not much else.