2020 rear axle in 2011 Touring model

[les]

After years of irritation with belt tension, I took the 30 minutes to replaced my 2011 rear axle with the updated 2020 rear axle.  Much better!  No more problems when you get the belt just right, only to find that it mysteriously moves when doing the final torque.  I tightened to 120 ft-lbs.

Part # 43000207

[Boe Cole]

After years of irritation with belt tension, I took the 30 minutes to replaced my 2011 rear axle with the updated 2020 rear axle.  Much better!  No more problems when you get the belt just right, only to find that it mysteriously moves when doing the final torque.  I tightened to 120 ft-lbs.

Part # 43000207

I may do the same - how much was it?  Did you only have to get the axle to accomplish the upgrade or did you have get additional parts?

[les]

I can't remember what I paid for it, but I just did a quick check and it was around $65.  You can probably get it for cheaper by looking around.  That's all I bought was that part number.  I reused the nut and the retaining clip.

[Boe Cole]

Thank you - that and the BigBear axle lock and my troubles in that area may be in my rear view mirror.....

[ecir50]

did you compare the two, IIRC only the torque specs and the ramp has changed.

[PoorUB]

If you buy the new axle, don't forget to get the cam washer for the RH side too.

[FSG]

maybe the Rear Axle Kit 94100083

[road-dawgs1]

maybe the Rear Axle Kit 94100083

Interesting. The pn# doesn't yet come up on the P&A site, nor Surdyke or other online dealers. And don't google "Harley 94100083," trust me. The first result that came up was something about "big luscious European boobs."

[02roadcling]

maybe the Rear Axle Kit 94100083

Interesting. The pn# doesn't yet come up on the P&A site, nor Surdyke or other online dealers. And don't google "Harley 94100083," trust me. The first result that came up was something about "big luscious European boobs."

It works! 

   cling 

[road-dawgs1]

maybe the Rear Axle Kit 94100083

Interesting. The pn# doesn't yet come up on the P&A site, nor Surdyke or other online dealers. And don't google "Harley 94100083," trust me. The first result that came up was something about "big luscious European boobs."

It works! 

   cling 

Did ya happen to open the link? Mama sitting in the easy chair next to me so I ain't gonna get whacked 

[02roadcling]

Nope, it was all foreign and can't be trusted like Pornhub can. 
I'm luckier than most as far as the wife goes. 

   cling

[PoorUB]

I opened the link, got nothing interesting. I think it was advertising for a video for sale. Not even one good picture.

[FSG]

and can't be trusted like Pornhub can.

[les]

did you compare the two, IIRC only the torque specs and the ramp has changed.

Yes, it's all about the ramps.  Side by side comparison.

[HogMike]

did you compare the two, IIRC only the torque specs and the ramp has changed.

Yes, it's all about the ramps.  Side by side comparison.

It's hard to tell from the picture but are the the length of the threads longer on the newer part?

[les]

did you compare the two, IIRC only the torque specs and the ramp has changed.

Yes, it's all about the ramps.  Side by side comparison.

It's hard to tell from the picture but are the the length of the threads longer on the newer part?

No.  Sorry about the dirt.

[les]

One more nice thing about the 2020 axle is that the hole on the end of the threaded end is a larger hole than my old axle.  This makes getting one jaw of a decent pair of needle nose pliers in that hole, with the other jaw on top of the clip, to make is much easier to squeeze the clip back on the axle end.  Sorry, forgot to mention that earlier on. 

[BigT]

I installed the new axle on my 2017 Street Glide several weeks ago. It seemed tougher to keep the axel/cam from spinning and throwing the belt out of adjustment spec while final torquing the nut than the stock axel. I did have to re-adjust after about 200 miles also. It has seen a few burnouts and wheelies since and hasn't moved.

[Boe Cole]

I am going to skip getting the new axle for the time being.  After cleaning up the excess grease on the swingarm and installing the BigBear axle lock, things are holding tight.  The BigBear axle lock made belt adjustment easy as well as when I torqued the axle nut, the axle did not move at all.  Saved many trips going around the bike to confirm belt tension, not to mention getting up and down countless times. 

[road-dawgs1]

maybe the Rear Axle Kit 94100083

Just figured out it's actually pn#43000213. The other number on the top of the I-sheet must be a weird number or the number of the I-sheet itself.

[thirdjld]

 

[Thermodyne]

I have a little tool that holds the axel adjustment while you tighten the nut.  And a wobble socket that reaches in past the can, so you can just set the torque without worrying about angles and math formulas.



Past that, if you put enough power to theses axel cams, the one on the right will fail.  Mine had gotten sloppy on the axel, then it actually split.

The fix for that was old school adjusters and a new axel.

[road-dawgs1]

Neat socket, where did you acquire that?

[calif phil]

Neat socket, where did you acquire that?

Motion Pro socket, they work well.

[92flhtcu]

and I love the Jim's tool for holding it, I feel if I only use 4/5 times a year, its worth it

[billbuilds]

  I revived this thread to report that I've been informed that the actual part number for the 2020 and up rear axle kit is 43000213. If you search this preceded by Harley it brings up the instruction sheet for what looks to be kit number 94100083. I was told that's not a good p/n though the mother ship does have the 43000213 kit available to ship. I was not able to bring this kit up on Ronnie's parts search. Strange how they're doing things these days.  Bill

[FSG]

Instructions  Kit  94100083    2019-05-31

[billbuilds]

     My apology, I missed reply 19.. from some time ago.

[Ohio HD]

I guess they changed the orientation of the flats on the cam and the axle so you can't mix the parts by mistake?



You cannot see attachments on this board.

[billbuilds]

     I'm not 100% sure though it is a different p/n. The 2011 rear axle cam is 41819-02. The 2020 rear axle cam is 43000203. The dealer did not have the kit in stock so I ordered one with an ETA of around 4/01. I recall Les's post where he said that just bought the new axle alone so now I'm curious as to how he made these parts work.    The 941000083 instruction sheet shows a torque of 135-145ft lb. I'm hoping that this will do a better job of keeping the axle in place behind the 124LC. Might have to get one of the Big Bear stops too.
   

[HogMike]

Our dealer here replaced my swing arm, axle, bearings, and assorted parts under warranty on my 2019 with the updated parts.

The axle (with cam) and the right side cam have a different profile than the pre-2020 parts.

The torque value had also increased over the past few years.

That has solved my particular problem of the axle moving under increased HP and TQ.

I THINK the 2010 and up swing arm is the same, I have both here but I'd have to dig them out and measure.
 

[billbuilds]

     Ronnie's shows the same swing arm (p/n 47549-09A) in both the 2011 and 2020 FLHR's.

[Ohio HD]

There must be a parts ID issue with HD. The item number 43000213 is a kit and contains the numbers below. 
43000207 axle
43000203 cam
8020 cone nut
41229-08 clip

Below is how the axles and cam part numbers shake out in the parts listings for touring bikes. I only looked up touring models.
Touring bike rear axle cam
43000203 ~ 2018 and up use the new cam
41819-02 ~ 2017 and down use the old cam


Touring bike rear axle
43000213 ~ 2014 and up use the new axle "kit"
41056-09 ~ 2013 and down use the old axle

None of the listings show the axle only number of 43000207.


The strange part is that the new 43000213 kit is less expensive than just the new 43000207 axle only.
43000213 KITAXLEREAR ASSEMBLY $55.58
43000207 AXLERRASSEMBLY $63.18

The kit number is what you would order to get the new style cam as well. the axle part number should only get you the axle.

43000213 kit

[billbuilds]

     When I spoke with the guy at the dealership about the contents of the kit he mentioned two nuts. There's the 8020 slotted one that's been used all along and then there's apparently an 8019 plain nut that comes with and what he called the "axle portion of the kit". I don't see an 8019 listed anywhere. 

[cheech]

There must be a parts ID issue with HD.

I think I can describe what's up.

I just ran into this issue late last year with my 2015 Limited water pump.
As I read on here everyone was putting M8 pumps on them so I looked up an M8 pump.
Thought, well how are they mounting them?
But then read where the pump listed for MY 2015 was the M8 pump.
But thought WTF, the numbers are different.
Searched the fiche for the M8 pump number, nowhere to be found.
Well that's because the part number listed is a whole retrofit kit that includes the M8 part numbered pump, brackets, hoses, and whatnot.

I'd say this axle setup is the same way.
Anyone buying an axle for any earlier MY bikes after they made the cam change gets the whole kit.
If you look up a MY 2022 touring at the SIP, the axle it lists is the 43000207 part number alone.

[Ohio HD]

8019 M24 X 2 X 36 Hex Nut
Country of origin: United States
8019 has an integrated flange on the nut making it taller.




8020 Nut M24 x 2.0 x 15
Country of origin: United States

[billbuilds]

     Thanks for the info. You obviously have more patience than I do.   

[cheech]

8019 M24 X 2 X 36 Hex Nut

Who knows why the parts guy said the 8019 for the touring kit? 
 
# 8019 list as Vrod fitment. 2007 to 2010
Interesting tidbit there likewise.
07 Vrod list 8019 separately and with the axle. No 8020 anywhere.
08 to 10 Vrod list 8020 for nut alone, 8019 only with the axle. 

[calif phil]

and I love the Jim's tool for holding it, I feel if I only use 4/5 times a year, its worth it

I like that tool as well, even though it is overpriced.  Spray painted mine Orange, tied a 2' rope on it with a large alligator clip on the other end. I clip the alligator clip on the shift linkage. Keeps me from leaving it on the bike, like I did once 

[kd]

   I once noticed mine still in place on the axle literally weeks after using it to adjust my chain.  It was still so snug that I had to back off the tensioner to slip it off.  That says a lot for the RB Racing swingarm stability I suppose.

[Ohio HD]

My axle assembly arrived today, 43000213. That part number does include all of the parts. I'm going to use this on my 2009 Ultra.


You cannot see attachments on this board.

You cannot see attachments on this board.

You cannot see attachments on this board.

[billbuilds]

      Did your kit come with the 8019 nut? The guy at the dealership apparently told me wrong as mine came with just the 8020 nut along with the right side cam and nut retaining clip

[Ohio HD]

It's the normal 8020 nut. The same as what the original axle uses.

I'm glad that Les posted this some time back. I think it'll be a huge improvement over the original style for us.   

[Ohio HD]

I as usual went overboard with the rear axle adjusters. These will keep the wheel where I out it.


You cannot see attachments on this board.


You cannot see attachments on this board.


You cannot see attachments on this board.

[cheech]

I as usual went overboard with the rear axle adjusters. These will keep the wheel where I out it.

So by the looks of that you wont need the Harley updated kit at all?
Except maybe on your other bike.

[Ohio HD]

So by the looks of that you wont need the Harley updated kit at all?
Except maybe on your other bike.

yeah, the HD kit will go on the shelf with many other unused parts.

[kd]

The Jim`s tool is a great help.  I think I have to stop putting off buying the Motion Pro socket.  Together they would be big time savers and guarantee a properly adjusted and tight axle.

[koko3052]

I as usual went overboard with the rear axle adjusters. These will keep the wheel where I out it.


You cannot see attachments on this board.


You cannot see attachments on this board.


You cannot see attachments on this board.

THAT is the way to make an adjuster....but $OUCH!

[billbuilds]

    I thought about buying one of the Krause Vector kits but I'd already shot the wad on a Darkhorse compensator.  Have you looked into any possible exhaust clearance issue? The Krause kit requires you to dent some pipes in for clearance. 

[PBSTN]

OK. I want to buy the 2020 axle. But I want to make sure I have the right part numbers. Thanks

[Ohio HD]

Post #40

[DrSpencer]

Is the torque spec the same with the new kit?

Thanks

[Ohio HD]

Post #26 and #29

[Hossamania]

 

[DrSpencer]

Post #26 and #29

Of course, thanks.

[lqqk_out]

I know this is an older thread, but I just want to confirm that the HD kit, part number: 43000213 will fit the earlier HD touring frames/rear fork from 2009 through 2013. The instruction sheet 94100083 still mentions (2014-2019 Touring) for fitment.

[Ohio HD]

Post #1

[lqqk_out]

Post #1

Thanks, but I was hoping for at least one more confirmation from someone that the kit works on pre-2014 touring bikes. Plus, post #1 doesn't even make sense to me. The part number mentioned in post #1 (43000207) is just the axle. How did that even work without the new axle cam?

[Ohio HD]

If you look at post #32, it explains that the kit number 43000213 consists of the four parts as shown.
43000207 axle
43000203 cam
8020 cone nut
41229-08 clip

In post #1 Les was merely speaking about the axle part number 43000207. I also trust Les when he says something fits. He knows what he's doing.

All touring bikes 2009 through 2022 use the same swing arm, part number 47549-09A. Bill posted he had checked 2011 to 2020 are the same swing arm in his post #31. I know they're the same 2009 to 2022 as I looked them up.

[billbuilds]

     I have a 2011 FLHRC that I installed the 43000213 axle kit in. Yes, it works just fine. If you check out Ronnie's OEM parts finder I think that you'll find that the axle is only available as a kit. I can assure you that the old adjustment cam and the new one do not interchange.

edit: If you don't already own one I'd highly recommend the Jim's tool for holding the axle in place when torqueing the nut. Then, as others have mentioned, don't forget to remove it!

[cheech]

I have a 2011 FLHRC that I installed the 43000213 axle kit in. Yes, it works just fine. If you check out Ronnie's OEM parts finder I think that you'll find that the axle is only available as a kit. I can assure you that the old adjustment cam and the new one do not interchange.

Technically the 43000207 axle is available separate. If you look up anything 2020 above it lists it as those bikes were shipped from the factory with the upgraded assembly.

Obviously anyone with an earlier bike should just get the whole kit.

Just someone might read this and think their 2020 axle isn't available.

Also as has been pointed out in this thread previously the whole kit retails for less than the axle alone.

[billbuilds]

     Thanks for pointing that out Cheech. The 2020 microfiche is a bit mi$leading as it shows the new axle and individual components (as have been listed) but it does not make mention (that I can see) of the kit. Also, even though the 2009 thru 2019 microfiche's show the rear axle only available as the new kit they still reference the old adjuster cam part number which only works with the old axle.

[PBSTN]

Installed the 2020 axle in my '10 road king yesterday. Have always had issues with the bike pulling to the left. Never felt confident when i torqued the axle. Went for a short ride today. Much improvement.

[Ohio HD]

Good to hear that it solved a problem that you've had with the early OEM axle.

[PBSTN]

Good to hear that it solved a problem that you've had with the early OEM axle.

Ya. Definitely an upgrade. And today I get to install it again. Flat tire. Found a screw in it.