Last year for 1200cc Shovel?

[Eccool]

If anyone could tell me what was the last year for the 1200 shovel I would greatly appreciate it!  Thanks!

[Harpo]

I know that in '79 you still had the FXEF as a 74" - 1980 FXEF went to 80".

[Reddog74usa]

It's 81 I belive but can't remember for sure.

[cheech]

Some of the old timers who were around then can hopefully chime in.
I do have a 80 PDF'd brochure in my collection. It list Electra Glide available with 74" and 80".
Superglide with a 74".
Over on the Shovelhead.us site in the history by year, according to that only 80" available in 81.
Accurate or not? 

[Eccool]

Some of the old timers who were around then can hopefully chime in.
I do have a 80 PDF'd brochure in my collection. It list Electra Glide available with 74" and 80".
Superglide with a 74".
Over on the Shovelhead.us site in the history by year, according to that only 80" available in 81.
Accurate or not? 

"Old timers"??  I was around back then, I just don't remember!  Old timers!  Lol

[david lee]

I know that in '79 you still had the FXEF as a 74" - 1980 FXEF went to 80".

what does the F stand for

[hbkeith]

Some of the old timers who were around then can hopefully chime in.
I do have a 80 PDF'd brochure in my collection. It list Electra Glide available with 74" and 80".
Superglide with a 74".
Over on the Shovelhead.us site in the history by year, according to that only 80" available in 81.
Accurate or not? 

yes all 80" in 81 , first 80" was 79 if i remember lol

[Hossamania]

80" was available on the '78 1/2,  '78 model year. If I remember right, being old and all. Can't help with the last year of the 74". Not old enough for that.

[JW113]

The parts manual, and also Donnie Peterson's Shovelhead reference book, indicate that 1980 was the last year the 1200 was used.

-JW

[Reddog74usa]

My first new bike was a 79 Low Rider in 80 inches. Great bike It was all black with the red strpies and logo.

[cheech]

"Old timers"??  I was around back then, I just don't remember!  Old timers!  Lol

Is that because you were biking and having a good time?

what does the F stand for

FXE "Superglide" with fatbob tanks.

[cheech]

My first new bike was a 79 Low Rider in 80 inches. Great bike It was all black with the red strpies and logo.

You wish you still had it?

[Racepres]

The parts manual, and also Donnie Peterson's Shovelhead reference book, indicate that 1980 was the last year the 1200 was used.

-JW

I still do Not believe Donnie is the know all,  End all... I Know that certainly there were 1200's in 1979, but have never seen, witnessed, even been shown...a 1200 from the factory in 1980
would need to be a "J" at end of the VIN with 1A, 2C, 9D, 5E, 7E or 2F....
Someone that gots one should show us the VIN...

[Mule]

I know that in '79 you still had the FXEF as a 74" - 1980 FXEF went to 80".

what does the F stand for

The F stands for a FXE with 3 1/2 gallon fat bob tanks.

[thumpr54]

My 1980 FXE started out life as a 74"/1200.....way back I figured out that 1980 was the last year for the 74"....and I always remembered it that way....1980 was the end of the factory 1200s

[Racepres]

^ So a 9D .... J0, ? First I have learned of..But, I don't get out that Much...

[kink04fxd]

My first new bike was a 79 Low Rider in 80 inches. Great bike It was all black with the red strpies and logo.

My new 79 lowrider was a 74. Last one the dealer sold. One of my friends bought one a few weeks later and his was an 80.

[a_disalvo]

My first new bike was a 79 Low Rider in 80 inches. Great bike It was all black with the red strpies and logo.

My new 79 lowrider was a 74. Last one the dealer sold. One of my friends bought one a few weeks later and his was an 80.

I bought the same bike in 1979, same color, black with red pinstrips, it was 74", they had a 1980 on the floor, 80" was set up to run on unleaded gas, the 74" needed leaded high test. I got mine in October, 1979, for $4,200.00, the 1980 had a sticker of $5,600.  Frank

[JW113]

I still do Not believe Donnie is the know all,  End all...

Neither do I. However, it's clear that he has done a great deal of work compiling information from known sources. I jokingly refer to his books as "restating the obvious". LOL! I only mentioned it as a second source of info.

Knowing Harley-Davidson's tendency to use up all old parts after they've made new changes (mine is a '77, a bit of a Frankenstein), if they had a lot of left over 1200 cranks, jugs, and cylinders from 1979, I can't imagine the bean counters would say "aw just toss it all in the trash and ship only 80s".

-JW

[fleetmechanic]

Our company was started with 3 1979 FLHs bought from the police and Shrine division. They are 1200s. The Harley history book by David Wright has production numbers in the back and shows that in 1980 there were 1,111 FLH-1200s, 528 FLH-1200 police and 3 FXE-1200s.  Everything in 1981 shows as 80"". And yes, we've still got them.

[Racepres]

I still do Not believe Donnie is the know all,  End all...

Neither do I. However, it's clear that he has done a great deal of work compiling information from known sources. I jokingly refer to his books as "restating the obvious". LOL! I only mentioned it as a second source of info.

Knowing Harley-Davidson's tendency to use up all old parts after they've made new changes (mine is a '77, a bit of a Frankenstein), if they had a lot of left over 1200 cranks, jugs, and cylinders from 1979, I can't imagine the bean counters would say "aw just toss it all in the trash and ship only 80s".

-JW

I'm Positive nothing got tossed in trash...LOL
Note that alot of 1979 1200's got The 9 fin jugs... so I suspect no 10 fin were "left over"
Other stuff??? I cannot claim to Know...

Our company was started with 3 1979 FLHs bought from the police and Shrine division. They are 1200s. The Harley history book by David Wright has production numbers in the back and shows that in 1980 there were 1,111 FLH-1200s, 528 FLH-1200 police and 3 FXE-1200s.  Everything in 1981 shows as 80"". And yes, we've still got them.

Now that right there is pretty definitive!!!!For the 1979 1200's... IDK who David Wright is....So... I still want to see a 1980 VIN showing 1200.....Just because I have Never seen one... and I want to... and yes I have paid fairly close attention for the last 30 years at least!!!

[cheech]

Our company was started with 3 1979 FLHs bought from the police and Shrine division. They are 1200s. The Harley history book by David Wright has production numbers in the back and shows that in 1980 there were 1,111 FLH-1200s, 528 FLH-1200 police and 3 FXE-1200s.  Everything in 1981 shows as 80"". And yes, we've still got them.

I don't believe ya.  (being sarcastic btw) But still you should show us pictures.  Original owner bikes still in possession of said owner is porn to me.

[fleetmechanic]

The book is called Harley Davidson, An Official 80 year history.  Came out in
the early 1980s.  Here's photos of one of the 1979s we still have.  All 3 have sequential VINs. Also shown are a 1969 FLH and a 1976 Bicentennial model with a sidecar that we turned into police configuration.  Until the Evo FXRPs showed up in 1984 ths was our state of the art.  After that they all became snow day sidecar rigs only.

[cheech]

The parts manual

-JW

I like this sleuthing tip. 
Which then I looked. Opened up a whole other question for me. 
Got snips shown below from
78 1/2 to 84 service manual (compression specs)
71 to 84 FX parts (cylinder and piston kits and pistons separate)
41 to 84 FL part #99456-84B (which is available in PDF to download on the Harley SIP BTW)
(FL cylinder and piston kits)

All 80" for 1980 and earlier were 8:1 compression. No difference in the piston alone part numbers for 80".
But a separate number for 1980 80" FXWG Cylinders. That number isn't in the FL catalog.
All other 80" with all the mish mash of early and late and model info cross over from the FX to the FL.
Try to make sense of that also?? Late 81, early 82 same number. Then early 81 to late 82 to 84 go back to the old part number. And the FX model call out is downright seriously confusing.

So what was so unique to 80 Wideglide cylinders??

Interesting also is 1980 and earlier 74" and 80" had same peak power, 80" @ 400 less rpm. 74" has more peak torque albeit at a higher rpm than the 80".
Id imagine if the 80" did more they would of published it. Must of dropped of after the 3600 rpm.
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[cheech]

  Here's a photo of one of the 1979s we still have.  All 3 have sequential VINs.

Thanks and Sweet!! 
You guys ever tinker with them, run them?

[david lee]

I know that in '79 you still had the FXEF as a 74" - 1980 FXEF went to 80".

what does the F stand for

The F stands for a FXE with 3 1/2 gallon fat bob tanks.

thanks

[fleetmechanic]

  Here's a photo of one of the 1979s we still have.  All 3 have sequential VINs.

Thanks and Sweet!! 
You guys ever tinker with them, run them?

No, the time is spent on the currently used fleet, but I did sell a 1965 Panhead to one of our riders last year.  The bike had been sitting for over 20 years but in room temp storage so with a new battery, carb cleaning, cleaning and sanding the clutch plates and running the old oil out of the chain oiler because it leaks down into the crankcase over time, it was then good to go. These would all need the same attention, but the work is all pretty simple. No Digital Tech required.

[billbuilds]

     Nobody's mentioned the old "What Fits What" book as a great source of info. The year 1980 wa defintely the last year of the 1200cc engine and also the last year for the matching engine and frame numbers. Starting in 81 the engines had ten digits and the frames had 17 digits. 

[Racepres]

     Nobody's mentioned the old "What Fits What" book as a great source of info. The year 1980 wa defintely the last year of the 1200cc engine and also the last year for the matching engine and frame numbers. Starting in 81 the engines had ten digits and the frames had 17 digits.

If you have a 1980 74 incher ... I would really like at least a picture of the VIN block out the sequential numbers is Fine!!!!

I don't believe ya.  (being sarcastic btw) But still you should show us pictures.  Original owner bikes still in possession of said owner is porn to me.

Decidedly Not either a '79, nor '80 tho Bought Showroom new!!!
http://www.amraonline.com/BikePics/STK82.jpg

[thumpr54]

sorry, Racepres.....I noted the earlier 9D post in my feeble memory banks and that was as far as it got....here ya go....this what you wanted ?   It's not a 74 any more....84" S&S kit. ...think I got the original flywheels...    And in your porn file it as a 'My brother's bike' story...bought new by my brother...wrecked with 6500 miles on it...I took over pmts and gave him my 76 KZ900...been in my possession since early 80s. Before it was wrecked. ..when his son/my first nephew was born, his Mom rode to the hospital on the back and came home in my 73 Vette....so the boy has had his eyes on it for a long time....

Also...since we're talking shovels here....I been searching shovel clutch info here....my FSM pg 4-6....in the reassemble clutch section....says to 'grease the clutch shell bearing' ...and in most places it seems like they specify a particular lubricant for things....but I don't see anything for this......grease ?....wheel bearing grease ? ....or...?

[fleetmechanic]

I use Mobil 1 grease.  Long lasting.

[cheech]

Decidedly Not either a '79, nor '80 tho Bought Showroom new!!!
http://www.amraonline.com/BikePics/STK82.jpg

I like. 

[Racepres]

sorry, Racepres.....I noted the earlier 9D post in my feeble memory banks and that was as far as it got....here ya go....this what you wanted ?   It's not a 74 any more....84" S&S kit. ...think I got the original flywheels...    And in your porn file it as a 'My brother's bike' story...bought new by my brother...wrecked with 6500 miles on it...I took over pmts and gave him my 76 KZ900...been in my possession since early 80s. Before it was wrecked. ..when his son/my first nephew was born, his Mom rode to the hospital on the back and came home in my 73 Vette....so the boy has had his eyes on it for a long time....

Also...since we're talking shovels here....I been searching shovel clutch info here....my FSM pg 4-6....in the reassemble clutch section....says to 'grease the clutch shell bearing' ...and in most places it seems like they specify a particular lubricant for things....but I don't see anything for this......grease ?....wheel bearing grease ? ....or...?

Yep.... 9D and J0... first I ever seen!!!!! Thank You...at least there was 1!!!
the hub on mine get greased ... sparingly, with whatever won't fly off readily... last one was some heavy lithium I found... Has Not contaminated the pack ... yet!!

Decidedly Not either a '79, nor '80 tho Bought Showroom new!!!
http://www.amraonline.com/BikePics/STK82.jpg

I like. 

Thanks I been "liking it" since just after I brought it Home... New Late Shovel engines,  were at best Lame!!!

[thumpr54]

also forgot to mention about my 1980 74"......it was bought new by my brother at Ted's Motorcycle World in Alton, Illinois. Not sure if that's any 'useful' info or not....

[Racepres]

also forgot to mention about my 1980 74"......it was bought new by my brother at Ted's Motorcycle World in Alton, Illinois. Not sure if that's any 'useful' info or not....

Sorry... I don't do Here-say... pic of VIN??

[thumpr54]

Posted my VIN number earlier....and you replied....

[Racepres]

Posted my VIN number earlier....and you replied....

Yea... CRS I'm afraid... Thank You

[thumpr54]

lotta CRS going around.....very familiar on this end too....