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Andrews 48 in 2016 103 Soft Tail

Started by WhipLash96, May 01, 2020, 07:04:36 PM

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WhipLash96

Looking at the Andrews 48 for my wife's bike. Bike is basically stock now other than a Road Rage II and a Power Vision. Thoughts?
Thanks,
Whip

Propflux01

I have a 48 in my '09 103 Electra glide. Very strong low end. runs out about 4500 RPM. If she likes a good torque pull, with plenty of power at highway speeds, then the 48 will impress.
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WhipLash96

Quote from: Propflux01 on May 01, 2020, 07:32:03 PM
I have a 48 in my '09 103 Electra glide. Very strong low end. runs out about 4500 RPM. If she likes a good torque pull, with plenty of power at highway speeds, then the 48 will impress.
What other work did you do if any?
Thanks,
Whip

IronButt70

Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 01, 2020, 07:04:36 PM
Looking at the Andrews 48 for my wife's bike. Bike is basically stock now other than a Road Rage II and a Power Vision. Thoughts?
TTS100 is also a good choice. Have it in my 17 softie also with PV. Pulls hard and early.
No one else put you on the road you're on. It's your own asphalt.

WhipLash96

Quote from: IronButt70 on May 01, 2020, 08:06:10 PM
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 01, 2020, 07:04:36 PM
Looking at the Andrews 48 for my wife's bike. Bike is basically stock now other than a Road Rage II and a Power Vision. Thoughts?
TTS100 is also a good choice. Have it in my 17 softie also with PV. Pulls hard and early.
Do you have a cam card that I can look at?
Thanks,
Whip

SP33DY

I think you may like the Andrews 54 better than the 48. It comes on sooner and carries out farther. I've installed a lot of them here.

IronButt70

Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 01, 2020, 08:13:19 PM
Quote from: IronButt70 on May 01, 2020, 08:06:10 PM
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 01, 2020, 07:04:36 PM
Looking at the Andrews 48 for my wife's bike. Bike is basically stock now other than a Road Rage II and a Power Vision. Thoughts?
TTS100 is also a good choice. Have it in my 17 softie also with PV. Pulls hard and early.
Do you have a cam card that I can look at?
I bought them used from a member. Unfortunately from what I know they guard their specs like fort knox and are not available. It is a straight up bolt in cam that will work with everything else left stock if that helps. Have 20k miles on them and very pleased.
No one else put you on the road you're on. It's your own asphalt.

wolf_59

I did a 96 to 103 on a friends Dyna wide glide awhile back with stock flat top pistons, Andrews 48 cams, Kirby's stage 1 heads and a Thunderheader upgraded the clutch with Alto Carbonite and added the SE spring, tuned by Trask with TTS 115 tq @3500 and 98 hp



Pirsch Fire Wagon

You may be happier with the Andrews 54H - I've done a few and customers seem VERY satisfied when compared to the 48.

You're mileage may vary.
Tom

Hossamania

It had been mentioned that the 54 likes a little more compression to work well, but maybe that was in a 96", and the 103 works better with the 54?
And remember what the op was asking for, this is for his wife, who may or may not ride like a lunatic like many of us. The 48 might be right in her wheelhouse.
If the government gives you everything you want,
it can take away everything you have.


Propflux01

Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 01, 2020, 07:38:13 PM
Quote from: Propflux01 on May 01, 2020, 07:32:03 PM
I have a 48 in my '09 103 Electra glide. Very strong low end. runs out about 4500 RPM. If she likes a good torque pull, with plenty of power at highway speeds, then the 48 will impress.
What other work did you do if any?

Stock heads, smith brothers pushrods, and S&S premiums for the lifters, and PV for the tuner.. Other than that, a car tire on back, nothing else.
A Shovel And A 55-Gallon Drum Can Solve Alot Of Life's Little "Issues"...

Hillside Motorcycle

An Andrews 48 will out-torque the 54, in an otherwise stock 96", or 103" engine, low-mid.
Unless she is a hot-rodder, the 48 would be our choice.
Otto Knowbetter sez, "Even a fish wouldn't get caught if he kept his mouth shut"

WhipLash96

Quote from: IronButt70 on May 02, 2020, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 01, 2020, 08:13:19 PM
Quote from: IronButt70 on May 01, 2020, 08:06:10 PM
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 01, 2020, 07:04:36 PM
Looking at the Andrews 48 for my wife's bike. Bike is basically stock now other than a Road Rage II and a Power Vision. Thoughts?
TTS100 is also a good choice. Have it in my 17 softie also with PV. Pulls hard and early.
Do you have a cam card that I can look at?
I bought them used from a member. Unfortunately from what I know they guard their specs like fort knox and are not available. It is a straight up bolt in cam that will work with everything else left stock if that helps. Have 20k miles on them and very pleased.
That TTS says that the 100 comes on at 1000-5500 rpm. so I am assuming that the duration is a tad longer than the 48?
Thanks,
Whip

WhipLash96

Quote from: Hillside Motorcycle on May 04, 2020, 03:48:10 AM
An Andrews 48 will out-torque the 54, in an otherwise stock 96", or 103" engine, low-mid.
Unless she is a hot-rodder, the 48 would be our choice.

She is not a hot rodder by any stretch of the imagination. A friend brought up that the 48 would cause detention issues. I personally don't agree with that as that it is a light bike and everything else will be stock???
Thanks,
Whip

PoorUB

Detonation? Up to the guy tuning it to make sure it doesn't.  Any cam can have detonation with a crappy tune.

I ran 48's in a bagge with no issues.
I am an adult?? When did that happen, and how do I make it stop?!

WhipLash96

Quote from: PoorUB on May 04, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
Detonation? Up to the guy tuning it to make sure it doesn't.  Any cam can have detonation with a crappy tune.

I ran 48's in a bagger with no issues.

That was my thinking. He did say that the tune better be right but he is still pushing the 54 over the 48. The thing that I like about the 48 over the 54 is that the 48 comes on way sooner which is where this bike is lacking. With the stock cams, it comes on way too late..
Thanks,
Whip

boooby1744

I'm guessin the 54 wouldn't work as well with stock gearing and compression.

Hillside Motorcycle

I have no idea how many 48's we have installed, and tuned.
Absolutely 100% 0 issues with any timing, whatsoever.
Otto Knowbetter sez, "Even a fish wouldn't get caught if he kept his mouth shut"

838

Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 04, 2020, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: Hillside Motorcycle on May 04, 2020, 03:48:10 AM
An Andrews 48 will out-torque the 54, in an otherwise stock 96", or 103" engine, low-mid.
Unless she is a hot-rodder, the 48 would be our choice.

She is not a hot rodder by any stretch of the imagination. A friend brought up that the 48 would cause detention issues. I personally don't agree with that as that it is a light bike and everything else will be stock???

I run a 48" at 10:1 in a 95" bagger. No detonation issues whatsoever. It's a great cam but requires a good tune for sure. I also ran it in a 96" street glide and I'm sure the 7 extra cubes and the touch more compression a 103" has will make it real nice (with a good tune).

WhipLash96

Quote from: 838 on May 06, 2020, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 04, 2020, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: Hillside Motorcycle on May 04, 2020, 03:48:10 AM
An Andrews 48 will out-torque the 54, in an otherwise stock 96", or 103" engine, low-mid.
Unless she is a hot-rodder, the 48 would be our choice.

She is not a hot rodder by any stretch of the imagination. A friend brought up that the 48 would cause detention issues. I personally don't agree with that as that it is a light bike and everything else will be stock???

I run a 48" at 10:1 in a 95" bagger. No detonation issues whatsoever. It's a great cam but requires a good tune for sure. I also ran it in a 96" street glide and I'm sure the 7 extra cubes and the touch more compression a 103" has will make it real nice (with a good tune).

Good. At this point and time there are no plans to up the compression via bigger pistons. I'm just looking for something that makes the bike jump a little better at lower rpm.
Thanks,
Whip

Sunny Jim

48 will do it!
SS 583 and 551 are in the ball park too.

WhipLash96

Quote from: Sunny Jim on May 07, 2020, 06:39:38 AM
48 will do it!
SS 583 and 551 are in the ball park too.

Those look like they run out out of breath a little early...
Thanks,
Whip

wolf_59

Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 07, 2020, 06:54:21 AM
Quote from: Sunny Jim on May 07, 2020, 06:39:38 AM
48 will do it!
SS 583 and 551 are in the ball park too.

Those look like they run out out of breath a little early...
Not really you would be surprised I run the 551 in my 95" 06 Ultra It will pull to 110 mph in 5th gear and I did the 583 in a 95" 06 heritage and it pulls out to 120 mph in 5th with a 250# rider @6000' elevation
But I like the 48 also

Propflux01

Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 04, 2020, 12:11:24 PM
She is not a hot rodder by any stretch of the imagination. A friend brought up that the 48 would cause detention issues. I personally don't agree with that as that it is a light bike and everything else will be stock???

I have never heard/felt any detonation, nor seen evidence of it on the plugs or piston tops. Mine is installed on a 103, stock heads, and powervision tune. Getting on the on-ramp and some throttle is a thrill in itself. hills are great to ride on, and it has a growly idle.
A Shovel And A 55-Gallon Drum Can Solve Alot Of Life's Little "Issues"...

WhipLash96

Quote from: Propflux01 on May 07, 2020, 05:17:11 PM
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 04, 2020, 12:11:24 PM
She is not a hot rodder by any stretch of the imagination. A friend brought up that the 48 would cause detention issues. I personally don't agree with that as that it is a light bike and everything else will be stock???

I have never heard/felt any detonation, nor seen evidence of it on the plugs or piston tops. Mine is installed on a 103, stock heads, and powervision tune. Getting on the on-ramp and some throttle is a thrill in itself. hills are great to ride on, and it has a growly idle.

Yeah I am not going to do a single thing to the engine other than a cam swap and tune at this point. The bike is pretty snappy for a stock bike in 5th and I roll hard to pass. It needs help below that point. :emoGroan:
Thanks,
Whip

Hossamania

Don't overthink it, the 48 pretty much hits all your points for her bike.
Just for kicks, I'll throw in the 555 Torquester.
If the government gives you everything you want,
it can take away everything you have.

Finn

This may be worth checking:

https://university.fuelmotousa.com/article/h-d-twin-cam-103-camshaft-shootout/

I myself was torn between Andrews 48H and Cycle-Rama CR570-2.
-83 GS1000G | -84 GSX1100EF | -97 FLHR | -98 FLSTS | -16 Triumph Tiger Explorer XRT 1200

PoorUB

If she is not a hot rodder just slap in the 48's and be done with it. Other cams might get you more top end, maybe a couple foot pounds more or less down low, but seriously, it is hardly worth discussing unless you want to wring out every ft-lb and HP you can, and it doesn't sound like it in this case. The 48's will put a smile on her face as well as most any low RPM torque cam.
I am an adult?? When did that happen, and how do I make it stop?!

WhipLash96

Quote from: PoorUB on May 08, 2020, 09:02:23 AM
If she is not a hot rodder just slap in the 48's and be done with it. Other cams might get you more top end, maybe a couple foot pounds more or less down low, but seriously, it is hardly worth discussing unless you want to wring out every ft-lb and HP you can, and it doesn't sound like it in this case. The 48's will put a smile on her face as well as most any low RPM torque cam.
Thank You for your input. :smiled:
Thanks,
Whip

TA63

the 48's are fricken awesome in 95, 98, and 103 builds. Best drop in cam on the planet imo. Built one with Larry's heads last year in a 98 cube motor that went 97hp 108 torque.  Never had anyone less than absolutely thrilled with them.

Hossamania

Whiplash, did you get some cams installed yet?
If the government gives you everything you want,
it can take away everything you have.