Rocker arm removal question

[Adam76]

Hey guys,
Started the top end disassembly on the rear cylinder yesterday and was lucky to have one of those softail (1996 heritage) that has no clearance between the rocker box and the frame to get the buggar out... Finally managed to pull it free after an hour of some choice language....

Anyways , my question to you knowledgeable folk is the rocker arm removal.
I was supposed to have the cylinder at TDC but made thr rookie mistake and had the valves still half open instead of both fully closed, so there was still tension on the arm and the pushrods? ...... I then taped out the shaft with a long punch and a soft mallet and it came out but it definitely was not properly aligned - has any damage been done?
Is there anything I need to check?

Thanks, probably worried about nothing, but you always worry more when doing something for the first time. 

Thanks.

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[JW113]

I would not worry about it. Yes, rocker boxes and Softail Evo frames, some well thought out design there eh?

So, how you feel about adjustable push rods now?



-JW

[Adam76]

I would not worry about it. Yes, rocker boxes and Softail Evo frames, some well thought out design there eh?

So, how you feel about adjustable push rods now?



-JW

Thanks JW.

This top end build has been quite a surprise so far. Thought I bought a stock heritage, but after getting it home found out it had a mikuni 42, then I removed the timing cover only to find a Crane-Hi4 ignition, then I removed the rocker box to pull the pushrods out and I discover they are ez adjustable already in there.....

So then I just had to know what cam was in there so I pulled it out and there was an EV46...  I know it's probably got stock internals and stock compression because they used adjustable pushrods, so it's unlikely the top end was removed for pistons or headwork.

Very interesting, and the previous owe get said he knew nothing about any mods to the bike - it even has the old iem timing cover put back in place with rivets! No way I could tell.

What do I do with this EV46? I only have 9.5 comp pistons and an EV27 cam in my parts box...

[FSG]

then I removed the rocker box to pull the pushrods out and I discover they are ez adjustable already in there.....

well there's a lesson to be learnt there 

I know it's probably got stock internals and stock compression because they used adjustable pushrods

not necessarily so, just smart using adjustable pushrods

[Adam76]

then I removed the rocker box to pull the pushrods out and I discover they are ez adjustable already in there.....

well there's a lesson to be learnt there 

I know it's probably got stock internals and stock compression because they used adjustable pushrods

not necessarily so, just smart using adjustable pushrods

Hey FSG, 
yup lesson to be learned. Don't think I'll get a second chance to benefit from it though as I don't see myself getting another bike for a very long time, if ever....

Whatever's in there, I sure hope they're not 9.5 pistons!!     Too late for a compression test.

[RTMike]

Ev27 and 9.5:1 good combo

[MikeL]

I had an ev-46 in my 1997 Bad Boy. Installed it with only crane HI4-E module, 44mm cv and bolted in back pressure drag pipes. Never a problem. Would I swap it out for the ev-27? Probably not

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[Racepres]

I had an ev-46 in my 1997 Bad Boy. Installed it with only crane HI4-E module, 44mm cv and bolted in back pressure drag pipes. Never a problem. Would I swap it out for the ev-27? Probably not

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All about riding Style... I do Not use those Upper RPM's except on the Track!!!

[JW113]

A EV-46 is a top end cam. Stay on course with your EV-27, you will not be disappointed.

-JW

[cheech]

Adam, next time if you see adjustable pushrods in there, adjust slack in them before removing the shafts. 

[Hossamania]

Adam, next time if you see adjustable pushrods in there, adjust slack in them before removing the shafts. 

Methinks the pushrod tubes were not opened before rocker removal.

[Hossamania]

I had an ev46 in my otherwise stock '95 Heritage, it is a fun cam, it will pull away from your friends with the 27, but it is a top end cam as mentioned, and requires running the gears out to get in the sweet spot. It will feel doggy at 55 mph in 5th gear when rolling on, but a quick downshift to 4th will get you going. Going down to 3rd is just plain fun.
Most will find the 27 a much better match for their riding style. Since you have the 27, install it.

[Adam76]

Adam, next time if you see adjustable pushrods in there, adjust slack in them before removing the shafts. 

Hossamania - "Methinks the pushrod tubes were not opened before rocker removal"

Yep, didn't check by pulling the pushrods tubes first 

[Adam76]

A EV-46 is a top end cam. Stay on course with your EV-27, you will not be disappointed.

-JW

Yeah, I'm staying with the 27.... just wondered what the 46 would be like at 9.6 comp as an alternative option since I discovered I now have one. I would dare say it would probably need upwards of 10:1 to shine. I don't want to buy another set of high comp pistons!!
Cheers

[JW113]

You're overthinking it. All the 46 will do is move the power band up by 500 or so rpms, and 9.5:1 is fine. What the hell. You have two cams and adjustable push rods. Check 'em both out, then decide which one best fits how you're going to ride it. Don't take hardly an hour to swap a cam.

-JW

[Adam76]

You're overthinking it. All the 46 will do is move the power band up by 500 or so rpms, and 9.5:1 is fine. What the hell. You have two cams and adjustable push rods. Check 'em both out, then decide which one best fits how you're going to ride it. Don't take hardly an hour to swap a cam.

-JW

Man, you nailed it..  I'm am obsessive over- thinker.  Sorry.
Can I blame my parents? 

[98fxstc]

Check your ccp with each cam to see where you are

[Racepres]

Check your ccp with each cam to see where you are

Why???
Run it... you will Know if you like it..

[kd]

Check your ccp with each cam to see where you are

Why???
Run it... you will Know if you like it..

Why not?  Knowledge is power.  If you don't like either one you'll have real evidence of the compression trait of the cams you tried to help you.  A compression test takes less than 15 minutes.

[Hybredhog]

    One of my fav easy combos is a S&S 508 & mill the heads .050 (Approx. 9.5), Stock flat tops are 8.5 at best. Its  a real stump puller & gets you some extra clearance for the rockers. Just turn .002" or so off the base for leveling,  Cometic gaskets, new rings/ hone, and will work with a stock module (fresh coil), but a single fire system does wonders in a softail.

[98fxstc]

Check your ccp with each cam to see where you are

Why???
Run it... you will Know if you like it..

Why not?  Knowledge is power.  If you don't like either one you'll have real evidence of the compression trait of the cams you tried to help you.  A compression test takes less than 15 minutes.

[Adam76]

Check your ccp with each cam to see where you are

Why???
Run it... you will Know if you like it..

Why not?  Knowledge is power.  If you don't like either one you'll have real evidence of the compression trait of the cams you tried to help you.  A compression test takes less than 15 minutes.

Thanks kd, that's not a bad idea.

Looks like I might have other problems though.

Took another look inside the camchest and saw some markings behind the pinion gear and also the oil pump pinion shaft gear?

Is this damage something to be concerned about?
Thanks

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[Adam76]

Check your ccp with each cam to see where you are

I will check ccp once I've put the ev27 in. Decided I'm not going to even try the 46 without headwork and even more compression, which isn't really in my plans right now. 
Cheers

[JW113]

Can't quite see for sure, is that dirt or a cracked gear??

-JW

[Adam76]

Can't quite see for sure, is that dirt or a cracked gear??

-JW

Thanks JW,  it's not dirt I've wiped it clean. Looks like some of the surface metal has been sheared off?
I'll take another picture.