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Woods TW 999-6 / Tman 590ps2

Started by mickblues, October 13, 2020, 03:37:25 PM

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mickblues

Wanted recommendations from those that have any experience with these. I have a dyna

SS 110
10.7 c
Dave Mackie ported heads
springs lift to 600
5.3 injectors
HPI 55 mm TB
current cam TTS 150
thrashin AR 2-1 exhaust
Current numbers: 118hp/ 132 tq - STD smoothing

tts150 isn't terrible but it's a bolt in and was thinking either the woods or tman would be an upgrade as they are high performance cams.

harpwrench

Have you thought about a Mackie 598 to go with his heads?

mickblues

No but will check it out. Would they be an upgrade?

harpwrench

Hard to say, it's more complicated than that:) They're all great cams, what works best depends on what you want to do, and what the pipe and heads want. Do you have the specs on the TTS150?

Ohio HD

Quote from: mickblues on October 13, 2020, 03:37:25 PM
Wanted recommendations from those that have any experience with these. I have a dyna

SS 110
10.7 c
Dave Mackie ported heads
springs lift to 600
5.3 injectors
HPI 55 mm TB
current cam TTS 150
thrashin AR 2-1 exhaust
Current numbers: 118hp/ 132 tq - STD smoothing

tts150 isn't terrible but it's a bolt in and was thinking either the woods or tman would be an upgrade as they are high performance cams.

Do you know what the compression is set at? The numbers aren't bad at all, they like a good 10.5 or 10.6 with a good tune. If you're looking for more top end, there are better solutions though. But you may loose off the bottom torque a little.

mickblues

TTS doesn't publish specs.  My compression is 10.7:1

838

Quote from: harpwrench on October 13, 2020, 03:40:36 PM
Have you thought about a Mackie 598 to go with his heads?

He also makes a 570 that's similar to his old 590. Talk to Mackie.

mickblues

Another question is I feel like my bike is going thru RPMs rev quickly especially in gears 1 to 4. As result bike feels sluggish or doesn't move smoothly thru gears.  Is this a cam issue or what? Anyone experience this?

Hossamania

I'm a little confused by your statement. You're saying it revs quickly, but feels sluggish. Can you clarify a little?
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C-Cat

October 15, 2020, 06:18:44 PM #9 Last Edit: October 15, 2020, 06:22:58 PM by C-Cat
Sounds like you're making  power if it's revving faster. Wouldn't slower revs mean the bike is slower? The bike is going the same speed if it's at  5700 in 4 the gear whether it gets there ( Accelerates) faster or slower.
124ci. 07 Streetbob 161/145
110ci. '11 Roadglide  129/127

kd

October 15, 2020, 06:44:53 PM #10 Last Edit: October 15, 2020, 07:27:16 PM by kd
If it's not accelerating your clutch is slipping. If it's jerky your clutch is slipping.   Hmmmm ... :scratch: ... maybe your clutch is slipping.  :nix:
KD

harpwrench

Maybe with 132 tq your tire is spinning  :scoot:

Hossamania

Quote from: mickblues on October 15, 2020, 05:11:58 PM
Another question is I feel like my bike is going thru RPMs rev quickly especially in gears 1 to 4. As result bike feels sluggish or doesn't move smoothly thru gears.  Is this a cam issue or what? Anyone experience this?

Your posts asking this same question in other sections and threads are duplicates, not allowed to post duplicate threads.
You've been given a couple answers here, and a query for clarification. Is it possible that your clutch is slipping?
What exactly is happening?
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Don D

48 overlap and some pretty substantial TDC lifts, .222/.215, for the TW999-6. Ask the guy tuning the bike for an opinion and first ask the head porter if there is valve to valve clearance.

C-Cat

October 16, 2020, 08:30:03 AM #14 Last Edit: October 16, 2020, 08:41:04 AM by C-Cat
Quote from: HD Street Performance on October 16, 2020, 07:44:26 AM
48 overlap and some pretty substantial TDC lifts, .222/.215, for the TW999-6. Ask the guy tuning the bike for an opinion and first ask the head porter if there is valve to valve clearance.
What compression and CCP is recommended for the TMan 590 PS2's? It has been the consensus that it was 10.8:1 with the old TMan 590, however the PS2 version has an earlier intake close, and exhaust timing is quite different, resulting in less overlap? Seems the Woods 999 would need more compression than the 590 PS2's or original 590's?
124ci. 07 Streetbob 161/145
110ci. '11 Roadglide  129/127

Don D

Right you are, I still use 10.7 on the ps2 cams

Bafflingbs

November 02, 2020, 01:24:43 PM #16 Last Edit: November 02, 2020, 01:36:30 PM by Bafflingbs
Quote from: mickblues on October 13, 2020, 03:37:25 PM
Wanted recommendations from those that have any experience with these. I have a dyna

SS 110
10.7 c
Dave Mackie ported heads
springs lift to 600
5.3 injectors
HPI 55 mm TB
current cam TTS 150
thrashin AR 2-1 exhaust
Current numbers: 118hp/ 132 tq - STD smoothing

tts150 isn't terrible but it's a bolt in and was thinking either the woods or tman would be an upgrade as they are high performance cams.

I have a 110" set to 10.5/1, level B heads, 999-6a cams, a ported, stock 50mm throttle body, stock 4.9gps injectors, and I'm at 117/130, if that helps any.
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2015 FLHXS: 117hp/130tq FM 110", Darkhorse Man-O-War crank
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C-Cat

Looks like you have more on tap up top. That should pull to 5800-6000 IMO. Maybe more TB will help. The bottom and mid-range are getting it done! 
124ci. 07 Streetbob 161/145
110ci. '11 Roadglide  129/127

Bafflingbs

I'll be damned if I can remember where I saw or heard it, but, project Rushmore brought the 50mm throttle body and (I thought) 4.9gps injectors. Maybe it was Fuel Moto that told me, but, I can't remember. I've been searching the internet for the answer, but, I'm at a loss. I remember asking if I should go to a larger tb and 5.3 injectors, and was told I didn't need them. Perhaps, if you know where to find the correct answer, you can help clarify.
2015 FLHXS: 117hp/130tq FM 110", Darkhorse Man-O-War crank
Retired Motor Officer

Bafflingbs

Quote from: C-Cat on November 06, 2020, 12:42:49 AM
Looks like you have more on tap up top. That should pull to 5800-6000 IMO. Maybe more TB will help. The bottom and mid-range are getting it done!

Yeah, I think it's reached it's peak HP, right there at 5250, and was looking for just a little more air or fuel, or both. 4.9 gps injectors are good to at least 130hp, so maybe Tail Ridr is right? Maybe only 4.3gps? Otherwise, it would have to be the throttle body. Anyway, I'm not going to chase 2-3hp. I did port my stock tb, but, I've also read that the new throttle body's can't be opened up any further. Porting just changed angles for positive results. I had thought about the HPI 55mm, prior to my build, but was told it wasn't worth it.
2015 FLHXS: 117hp/130tq FM 110", Darkhorse Man-O-War crank
Retired Motor Officer

C-Cat

You've gone this far, get the full potential from your build. Many 110's are doing 125+HP and usually pull 5700-6000 rpm with less cam than the Woods 999's. My opinion is you would gain quite a bit more than 3-4 with 55mm. TB/ 5 3 Injectors
124ci. 07 Streetbob 161/145
110ci. '11 Roadglide  129/127

Bafflingbs

I actually agree with you, and will do exactly that, eventually. However I'm in over $10k into this build. I don't normally ride it that far up in that rpm range. And when I do, I don't feel that dip. It runs fantastic as is. I did talk to Bob today, from Fuel Moto, and he did say I would probably gain a bit on top, by going bigger. So, we'll see. He also confirmed the injectors were 4.9gps.
2015 FLHXS: 117hp/130tq FM 110", Darkhorse Man-O-War crank
Retired Motor Officer

Jamie Long

Quote from: Bafflingbs on November 09, 2020, 07:41:31 PM
I actually agree with you, and will do exactly that, eventually. However I'm in over $10k into this build. I don't normally ride it that far up in that rpm range. And when I do, I don't feel that dip. It runs fantastic as is. I did talk to Bob today, from Fuel Moto, and he did say I would probably gain a bit on top, by going bigger. So, we'll see. He also confirmed the injectors were 4.9gps.

The 08-16 throttle by wire twin cam FLH (and 17 Softail) have 4.3 injectors, if you go with a larger throttle body with your build you would need the 5.3's

838

I have not seen a sheet where the 999-6A goes over 120hp. I've always wondered if the potential was there. Most builds with this setup look just like bafflingbs. I've also never seen or heard of it being installed at larger cubes than 110". It seems to bring the torque on real good at low ccp however 👍. The specs of the cam would lead me to believe you'd need an ace tune regardless.

rigidthumper

I have a friend who wants to use his 999-6 cams in a 124 build (they were seriously underwhelming in his 103/10.5/MVA setup  :sick: , so it's on to version 2).
What could go wrong ?

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