getting the tranmission pully nut loose

[zoot]

I got my sprockets and chain  from 3Guyz today. I got the bike tore down to getting the trans pulley nut loose.That thing is tight. Holding the brake was a joke.I made up a bar sorta like the one for the primary.It went from the rear pulley down to the passenger pegs bracket .I had a 4' pipe on a 3/4 strong arm. No go so put a 8' pipe on it and bent the strong arm.So I put my 3/4 ratchet on it with the 8' pipe and collapsed the bar I made. That nut doesn't want to come loose.    Anybody got any suggestions?  I am turning counter clockwise ,what the manual  shows. I haven't tried heat as I didn't want to mess up the seals but this might be my only option.  Are these nuts normally this hard to get loose? I also tried my impact (Ingersol-ran) and that worked about as good as holding the brake. Anybody got any thoughts on this. I would hate to have by the pulley tool for a one time thing.   Thanks   Walt

[RK103]

Heat.

[Sonny S.]

>>> I am turning counter clockwise <<<

try turning it the other way.....left hand threads

[RK103]

Ditto on the wrong way I missed that. But more than likely you'll need to heat the nut.

[Sonny S.]

>>>more than likely you'll need to heat the nut.<<<

yeah now that it's over tightened   

[zoot]

ok on the wrong way. Why would the manual show counter clockwise to loosen and clockwise to put on? Missprint?  The clutch was clockwise to take off and easy. The compensator bolt was counter clockwise and it was easy. The bike is a 07 Dyna. Walt

[smoserx1]

The tranny nut is same as clutch nut.  Backwards threads.  Turn right to loosen, left to tighten.  You can supposedly lock the transmission if you don't want to purchase the pulley locker.  Instructions here:

http://harleyhog.co.uk/belt%20install%204.htm

Good luck.

[Ken R]

Boy, that nut must be REALLY tight now, especially after using an air impact wrench on it.  On the plus side, maybe the red loctite was broken. 

[Jeffd]

I just did mine with the help of Wytetrash2004 and it took a big cheater bar on a big ass pipe wrench but it came finally without heat.

[ederdelyi]

>>big ass pipe wrench<<

Oh my! Say it ain't so, Sunshine :>) The pipe wrenches stay in my "crap rolls downhill" toolbox ... and I only use them when "Potty mouth" starts defying gravity :>)

A good 1/2" impact will do the job quite nicely for me most times, so will my 3/4" drive breaker bar but I'm a lazy SOB.

[zoot]

Hear are inserts from the manual. they definitely show the opposite of what is being said. But I have never worked on this new a Harley I am sorta lost.But one thing I do know  it didn't loosen going in the direction the manual said to.  Walt

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[Jeffd]

>>big ass pipe wrench<<

Oh my! Say it ain't so, Sunshine :>) The pipe wrenches stay in my "crap rolls downhill" toolbox ... and I only use them when "Potty mouth" starts defying gravity :>)

A good 1/2" impact will do the job quite nicely for me most times, so will my 3/4" drive breaker bar but I'm a lazy SOB.

we were desperate as the bike was torn down that far and we already broke the big ass snap on breaker bar and I had to get it back together to get home.  We had the jims tool for the nut and the pipe wrench barely left a mark on the socket. 

[ederdelyi]

>>we were desperate as the bike was torn down that far and we already broke the big ass snap on breaker bar and I had to get it back together to get home.  We had the jims tool for the nut and the pipe wrench barely left a mark on the socket.<<

Well, that "qualifies" as a ""Potty mouth" defying gravity" situation in my book :>) Desperation is often the Mother of invention ... or something like that!

EDIT: Removed my assumption the SM was fubar'd ... I was! :>)

[Admiral Akbar]

I seem to remember that the swapped the directions of the threads when they went to the 6 speeds... might have been from someone reading the manual though.. Max

[larluvssandra]

I completely wiped out all the threads on the nut while replacing belt and front pulley on my 99 Dyna. I think that's the first year they went with left handed threads. The left handed threads is NOT noted in the 99 shop manaul. You need a good cheater bar to do it like I did. All it cost me was a new nut and some swet.   Larry

[DblackmanC]

Zoot & Guys...
My '06 Dyna book matches the Right-Hand thread. It even has a big "CAUTION" stating so!
I would check before I would try removing it clockwise...
Dan

[zoot]

This morning I noticed on the pulley RH threads.  So I would think that I was turning the right direction, counterclockwise.


Handedness
The right-hand rule of screw threads.
The helix of a thread can twist in two possible directions, which is known as handedness. Most threads are oriented so that a bolt or nut, seen from above, is tightened (the item turned moves away from the viewer) by turning it in a clockwise direction, and loosened (the item moves towards the viewer) by turning counterclockwise. This is known as a right-handed (RH) thread, because it follows the right hand grip rule (often called, more ambiguously, "the right-hand rule"). Threads oriented in the opposite direction are known as left-handed (LH).

So I guess the manual was correct and that I just got a extra tight nut

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[Ken R]

I've only done four of them; but none were as tight as yours.  Holding the brake was sufficient in all cases.  Impact tool on my last removal made it very, very easy. 

Received an email from a guy that was replacing transmission seals.  He said that his drive pulley nut was loose, came off very easily.  (the retainer and two allens were tight but the big nut was very loose from the factory, never before disassembled)   So I suppose it's possible that yours could be double tight to make up for his.   

[ederdelyi]

>>My '06 Dyna book matches the Right-Hand thread. It even has a big "CAUTION" stating so!<<

>>This morning I noticed on the pulley RH threads.  So I would think that I was turning the right direction, counterclockwise.<<

I stand corrected ... I need to brush up on the new stuff, I don't work on them enough anymore. R/H or L/H, the impact wrench is still king for this stuff :>)

[les]

Ken R, the first thing to check if the pulley nut is loose is to examine the spacer that goes between the pulley and the inner race of the tranny main bearing.  Many times that spacer gets worn (large goove) on the tranny side and things start to loosen up...quad seal leaks...big mess.

I've had extreamly tight pulley nuts.  I never use heat.  I use a breaker bar with a pipe extension and ask my son to wrap the side of the socket (close to the nut) with a brass hammer while applying massive torque on the nut.  It breaks it loose every time and without the potential the heat can damage main drive gear seals.

[Admiral Akbar]

I completely wiped out all the threads on the nut while replacing belt and front pulley on my 99 Dyna. I think that's the first year they went with left handed threads. The left handed threads is NOT noted in the 99 shop manaul. You need a good cheater bar to do it like I did. All it cost me was a new nut and some swet.   Larry

The parts in inside the tranny did not change from an evo to TC cept somewhere around 94-96 they changed gear tooth pitch.. Not sure about the 4 speeds but Evo 5 speeds and TCs are all left hand.. Max

[HotRock]

This may sound dumb, but you did remove the lockplate.......

[DblackmanC]

Max...Are you saying the service manuals are wrong? '06 and '07? Right hand thread per both books and on the nut itself??

[Admiral Akbar]

Max...Are you saying the service manuals are wrong? '06 and '07? Right hand thread per both books and on the nut itself??

If in regard to this..

I seem to remember that the swapped the directions of the threads when they went to the 6 speeds... might have been from someone reading the manual though.. Max

I'm saying I don't know.. I read it somewhere that the 6 speeds were now right hand threads... Follow on comments seem to support it.

Max.

[DblackmanC]

OK...

Dan