A '64 Electric Start?

[Hossamania]

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/mcy/d/rogers-1964-panhead/7235219899.html

[Ohio HD]

1965 first year electric start, was last year of the Pan Head.

Motor may be a '64, most everything else isn't.

[FSG]

a new Firefox feature lets you upload an image to imgur by right clicking on the image



there is a box on the browser header that will provide the link to the image ......  good-o   

[Hossamania]

1965 first year electric start, was last year of the Pan Head.

Motor may be a '64, most everything else isn't.

But the ad says a "rare" '64 Panhead, indicating that it was a factory bike. I knew '65 was the first year, my reason for posting the ad, to question the honesty of it.
So rare in fact, that it does not exist.

a new Firefox feature lets you upload an image to imgur by right clicking on the image

FSG, I was more interested in the wording of the ad than the pics, though a nice looking bike. Plus, I don't have Firefox, and I'm not on a PC to right click.
Other than that, good info!

[Ohio HD]

The frame, front end, primaries, etc. is early 70's FX / FL or aftermarket FX / FL.

A '64 Pan Head had a tin primary, so no electric start period. Even if the "cases" are '64 panhead, the sprocket shaft had to be changed on the crank to accommodate the electric start and longer 4 speed shaft to accommodate the aluminum primary. There was no such thing as a '64 Pan electric start. 

[FSG]

Hoss      just saw it as a good op to get the pix   

[Hossamania]

Hoss      just saw it as a good op to get the pix   

Fair enough.

The frame, front end, primaries, etc. is early 70's FX / FL or aftermarket FX / FL.

A '64 Pan Head had a tin primary, so no electric start period. Even if the "cases" are '64 panhead, the sprocket shaft had to be changed on the crank to accommodate the electric start and longer 4 speed shaft to accommodate the aluminum primary. There was no such thing as a '64 Pan electric start. 

Yup, unfortunately someone may think they are getting something special, or rather, extra special.
Having said that, it's a sweet looking bike.

[Ohio HD]

This is a '64 Pan Head

[Hossamania]

Damn right but it is! And a nice one to boot.

[fbn ent]

FSG .... So I can use the firefox imgur as a "legal" way to post pics here? That would mean I learned two techy things in four days ! 

[FSG]

YES

the pic is hosted on the imgur server

all you're doing on HTT is posting a link to the pic

[FSG]

all I've done here is right click on the pic in Ohio's Post and uploaded to imgur

then copied the imgur link and put it in [ img] [/img ]   tags

[kd]

FSG .... So I can use the firefox imgur as a "legal" way to post pics here? That would mean I learned two techy things in four days ! 

YES

the pic is hosted on the imgur server

all you're doing on HTT is posting a link to the pic

all I've done here is right click on the pic in Ohio's Post and uploaded to imgur

then copied the imgur link and put it in [ img] [/img ]   tags

Wow. How lucky is that.  The ol BBC is really going to come in handy and open up some more of those geeky doors.  I don't have imgur though.

When you click on FSG's last post "insert quote" it shows the Imgur string hybrid with the BBC for the pic and it actually kinda makes sense now. 

[FSG]

I don't have imgur though.

Firefox makes it easy ...... 

but remember PicPick will allow you to capture an image/screen then share it via uploading direct to imgur

[Breeze]

My Firefox doesn't have that imgur when R. click on the pic. Should be the latest edition, because they tell me when a new one is available.

[HogMike]

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/mcy/d/rogers-1964-panhead/7235219899.html

Nope. Looks like wishful advertising to me!

[FSG]

My Firefox doesn't have that imgur when R. click on the pic. Should be the latest edition, because they tell me when a new one is available.

my bad, it's an addon which I don't remember installing, must have done it a few releases ago   

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/imgur-upload/

[Hossamania]

According to this quick blurb, electric start was secretly available in '64.

https://www.motorcycleclassics.com/classic-american-motorcycles/1964-model-fl-ze0z1208zsch

[biglew55]

If I recall my reading correctly, the '64 Servi-Car was the first HD available with electric start, but it is pretty rare, and the '65 FLH got all the press.

Also, I have seen some nice conversions for earlier Pans, but they are pretty involved and pricey.

The one pictured looked like it had a lot of '65 - '69 pieces. 

[Ohio HD]

According to this quick blurb, electric start was secretly available in '64.

https://www.motorcycleclassics.com/classic-american-motorcycles/1964-model-fl-ze0z1208zsch

What I read is they were putting the finishing touches on the electric start "during" the year 1964, It doesn't say there were 1964 models with electric start. It says the following year, the 17 year old design (first Pan Head was 1948, 1948+17=1965) was updated....   yatta, yatta, yatta.

I own factory parts and service manuals from that era, they show nothing about electric start until 1965 when the aluminum primaries showed up, and the longer transmission and sprocket shafts came along.

Also 1964 was still 6 volt, the electric starter was a 12 volt system, starting in,,,,,,  1965. 


I'm done, unless you bring some facts.   

[sfmichael]

The frame, front end, primaries, etc. is early 70's FX / FL or aftermarket FX / FL.

A '64 Pan Head had a tin primary, so no electric start period. Even if the "cases" are '64 panhead, the sprocket shaft had to be changed on the crank to accommodate the electric start and longer 4 speed shaft to accommodate the aluminum primary. There was no such thing as a '64 Pan electric start.

no expert here but Stevie Wonder can see that the only thing about that bike that's a '64 is the title and maybe the topend

still pretty sweet tho...

[Hossamania]

I got nothing for info other than what the internet tells me, and it's never wrong.

[Speeding Big Twin]

Frame appears to have a VIN boss on the R-H side of the steering head so I'd like to see the frame number if it has one. Also notice the square one-hole blocks for passenger footpegs. If those blocks are original then they would help suggest the frame is either 75 or 76.
Swingarm is somewhere from 58 to 72 inclusive. It may be one of the 62 or earlier types but I can't tell much from those pictures.

Front brake is somewhere from 49 to 68 inclusive. Hub may be 66-earlier.

Hard to tell what year the left case is. I'd like to see the SN and BN.
R-H case may be 64 or earlier. I can't see an outside oil line but the case may have had its relay bracket boss removed because that area appears to have the remains of two screw holes?

Inner primary cover may be 65–69.
Outer primary cover has the type of derby cover introduced for 70 models but it also appears to have a slotted cap at the front and the cap was only fitted as original for 65–early-66. It may be a 65–early-66 outer primary that was modified to accept a derby cover? 

The ad says it's a 'Rare 1964 Panhead with Factory Electric Start'
But what does that mean? Are 1964 Panheads rare? Not really but some may say they are. Does that bike have a factory electric start? I can't tell but even if it has then I don't think it would be from a 64 Pan because AFAIK the factory didn't make any 64 Pans with electric start as original. A while ago on another site someone said they made about twelve of them so I asked him to elaborate but he did not reply. Sometime later he repeated his story but again he posted no evidence.
Eric

[Hossamania]

I actually emailed the seller, questioning the veracity of his claim, he said google it, they made a few. I googled it, the link I posted is what came up.
Is pretty obvious nothing is original on the bike, other than the "rare '64 Panhead Electric Start" motor, if that is in fact the case.
Still, a nice looking bike.

[crock]

The frame, front end, primaries, etc. is early 70's FX / FL or aftermarket FX / FL.

A '64 Pan Head had a tin primary, so no electric start period. Even if the "cases" are '64 panhead, the sprocket shaft had to be changed on the crank to accommodate the electric start and longer 4 speed shaft to accommodate the aluminum primary. There was no such thing as a '64 Pan electric start.

Also the wrong primary cover( even if it is an ultra rare 64 Electra Glide) Note the derby cover