Barry Controls USA made Front Engine Mount

[turboprop]

I found what may be the oem for the original -B front engine mount used on baggers and FXRs. Barry Controls, made in the USA, $18.10 direct.

Here are three links:

The first link is to the catalog which contains tons of scientific information as well as top level drawings. Interesting to note that the mount typical used in Harley applications is available in five different hardness ratings.
Barry-Controls-2011-compressed.pdf

The second link is to the online store. The 507-3NS is what was used by Harley. I Just ordered it and the corresponding snubbing washer. Total bill was $38 that included $20 for shipping.
online store

The third link is to an ebay listing for the Barry mount. $60, but has good images.
ebay listing

I just ordered a couple. Will see.

[calif phil]

Excellent post!!!  Thanks.

[turboprop]

Excellent post!!!  Thanks.

Just doing my part.

FWIW - I placed an order earlier this morning and just received notification that it has been shipped. And my card has been charged. Looks like the system is on and working.

[motorhogman]

Good find.  I may just order one myself.. I've got a "D" mount now.. This is probably the 3rd or 4th mount over 20 years.. I don't think the bike has aver been as smooth as it was with the original. "B" that was OEM for it.

[Deye76]

 

[choseneasy]

👍👍
  Great info.

[Dogbone45ACP]

Thank you.

[smoserx1]

The original mount on my 99 FLHT lasted incredibly well, I think it was somewhere around 140000 miles before it tore up.  At that time the "D" mount was out but some said there was a Buell part number that was the same as the original so I got the Buell mount, and it tore up in no time.  I don't think I even got 10000 miles out of it, and yes it looked just like the original.  Then I got a "D" mount and although it was very stiff at first but after about 1500 miles it was fine.  It has also lasted very well.  At a price of $18.95 or so I have to be a little skeptical of this Barry mount.  Seems too good to be true.  Right now Dennis Kirk sells two mounts that look just like the original, one is about 20 dollars and the other about $60.  Makes me wonder.  I hope it works out, but just because it looks like the original does not mean that it is.

[Deye76]

For under 40 bucks, it's worth a shot. Alloy Art will cost you a hundred, and shake your fillings loose.

[turboprop]

For under 40 bucks, it's worth a shot. Alloy Art will cost you a hundred, and shake your fillings loose.

They even offer them in five different hardness ratings. Perfect for the TC lifter crowd.

Seriously, almost half of the $40 is shipping. I am probably going to order two more, one with the harder compound and one with the softer compound. Why not.

[motorhogman]

I printed the drawing of the 507. The measurements seem to all be good compared to a "D" I have.  The ebay seller that is asking $60.00 for one has a 507 3NS part # in his picture..

Any one know if that 3NS is the Code 3 on the drawing sheet ? 

Trying to figure out which one will work best for my 01 FLHT.. looking to smooth her out a little. Bike is all stock, no hot rodding..   No idea which load range the OEM "B" mount was. 

[turboprop]

Any one know if that 3NS is the Code 3 on the drawing sheet ? 

Yes it is.

At $20 each you could buy the 2, 3, and 4 for less than what you will spend at the dealership on a single unit. Why not do your own science project and see for yourself?

[motorhogman]

Any one know if that 3NS is the Code 3 on the drawing sheet ? 

Yes it is.

At $20 each you could buy the 2, 3, and 4 for less than what you will spend at the dealership on a single unit. Why not do your own science project and see for yourself?

Thanx.. I see they have a phone number for help with applications. I'm going to call them on Monday and see what they have to say about HD applications..  You are right about cost.. @ 18.10 I think I did pay about 4 X that for the last one plus about an 80 mi round trip to the dealer..

[kd]

Any one know if that 3NS is the Code 3 on the drawing sheet ? 

Yes it is.

At $20 each you could buy the 2, 3, and 4 for less than what you will spend at the dealership on a single unit. Why not do your own science project and see for yourself?

Thanx.. I see they have a phone number for help with applications. I'm going to call them on Monday and see what they have to say about HD applications..  You are right about cost.. @ 18.10 I think I did pay about 4 X that for the last one plus about an 80 mi round trip to the dealer..

Can you report back what they say please?

[motorhogman]

OK I talked to John at Novibration.com. (Distributor for Barry Controls)

Which is now owned by Hutchinson Aerospace Industries.   

1 817 453 1100 ext 106. He is in engineering. Real nice guy and very knowledgeable.

Asked about the application for the early touring bikes and he was very familiar with it.

He said the code 1 was the original mount used.

He said the code 3 would be substantially stiffer and more apt to transfer vibrations.

BTW.. I called the 1800 number on the Barry Controls site and got a run around. After talking to 3 people the last one transferred me to "engineering"  and resulted in " no one available at this time" recording..

[motorhogman]

Any one know if that 3NS is the Code 3 on the drawing sheet ? 

Yes it is.

At $20 each you could buy the 2, 3, and 4 for less than what you will spend at the dealership on a single unit. Why not do your own science project and see for yourself?

Thanx.. I see they have a phone number for help with applications. I'm going to call them on Monday and see what they have to say about HD applications..  You are right about cost.. @ 18.10 I think I did pay about 4 X that for the last one plus about an 80 mi round trip to the dealer..

Can you report back what they say please?

Yep, and  I'm going to order one after the 1st of the year..

[kd]

I probably will too.  I noticed the side rubbers on my RGU are not centered and pulled to the rear.  Front mount time.

[RedFXR2]

The 507-3NS is what was used by Harley.

OK I talked to John at Novibration.com. (Distributor for Barry Controls).

He said the code 1 was the original mount used.

He said the code 3 would be substantially stiffer and more apt to transfer vibrations.

All great info.  Is there a conflict here?  So which one is most likely to be the one for HD use?  507-1NS or 507-3NS?

[motorhogman]

The 507-3NS is what was used by Harley.

OK I talked to John at Novibration.com. (Distributor for Barry Controls).

He said the code 1 was the original mount used.

He said the code 3 would be substantially stiffer and more apt to transfer vibrations.

All great info.  Is there a conflict here?  So which one is most likely to be the one for HD use?  507-1NS or 507-3NS?

"He said the code 1 was the original mount used."

If you are looking for the original compound the 507 1NS is it..

If you want a stiffer compound the 3 would be stiffer. maybe last longer ? but more likely to transfer vibration.. They are all suitable for HD.. just depends what you want.

[hbkeith]

How did the mounts look when you got them Turboprop?

[turboprop]

How did the mounts look when you got them Turboprop?

I will post a picture later today, but IMO they looked really good. I lan to eventually buy an entire set of all five to play around with.

FWIW - I put the -3 in my red FXR and could tell an immediate reduction in vibration felt at the pegs and bars compared to the D&S Performance mount (Not Drag Specialties).

[motorhogman]

How did the mounts look when you got them Turboprop?

I will post a picture later today, but IMO they looked really good. I lan to eventually buy an entire set of all five to play around with.

FWIW - I put the -3 in my red FXR and could tell an immediate reduction in vibration felt at the pegs and bars compared to the D&S Performance mount (Not Drag Specialties).

Good to hear.. I'm going to order 1 series maybe this week with a snub washer..Did you install it in the same direction that the original mount was installed or the way the "D" installs..

[hbkeith]

How did the mounts look when you got them Turboprop?

I will post a picture later today, but IMO they looked really good. I lan to eventually buy an entire set of all five to play around with.

FWIW - I put the -3 in my red FXR and could tell an immediate reduction in vibration felt at the pegs and bars compared to the D&S Performance mount (Not Drag Specialties).

Nice , planned on front mount and swingarm isolators on my RK , ill try the front mount first ,see what i feel ( when the snow is gone )

[hbkeith]

over $24 to ship  to Michigan

[motorhogman]

over $24 to ship  to Michigan

Yea..$22,00 to SC.. I asked John if he could do anything to discount the shipping.. Answer was it's not in his control.. He said if you have your own contract with Fed Ex or UPS you could probably get a better rate..

[turboprop]

FWI - They shipped my order the next day and I am not talking about simply generating a tracking number. My package was in the possession of the shipper the following day. I find value in that.

[motorhogman]

FWI - They shipped my order the next day and I am not talking about simply generating a tracking number. My package was in the possession of the shipper the following day. I find value in that.

I agree..  I just got something yesterday I ordered 26 days ago,, 3 to 7 business days my butt... I have something in "transit"  right now that Fed ex has no clue when it will be delivered.. It was supposed top be here Saturday.. " No scheduled delivery date available". Very frustrating..

[RedFXR2]

Mainly aimed at turbo and motorhogman:  Either of you install one of these mounts yet and ride with it?  Which ones did you order and try out?  1, 2, or 3?  Any "reviews" welcome.  Thanks.

[turboprop]

Mainly aimed at turbo and motorhogman:  Either of you install one of these mounts yet and ride with it?  Which ones did you order and try out?  1, 2, or 3?  Any "reviews" welcome.  Thanks.

I have. #2, #3 and #4.

As expected, #4 transmitted more vibrations that what I have experience from a Harley labeled unit. Likewise #2 was silky smooth, but allowed the engine (TC124 11.9 Compression) to bounce around. I really dont care about the bounce but the exhaust pipe was tapping on a foot control.

#3 was just about perfect and is what I put back in after trying the #4 for 400-ish miles.  I am probably going to buy about a dozen #3 and maybe four #2. Might put a #2 in my bone stock bagger when the time comes.

[RedFXR2]

turbo:  Thanks for the update.  If a #3 was about perfect for your 124 motor, then maybe a 1 or 2 for a moderately modified 80"?

[turboprop]

turbo:  Thanks for the update.  If a #3 was about perfect for your 124 motor, then maybe a 1 or 2 for a moderately modified 80"?

I am not sure how that works. Regardless of it's size, my TC124 was balanced by Hoban's, so it really shouldn't shake around more than a mouse motor. Or would it? I don't know.

You know, as inexpensive as these things are, it is not going to break the bank for you to buy a few of them and do your own redneck experiment and report your findings in this thread. Take one for the team man.

[RedFXR2]

You know, as inexpensive as these things are, it is not going to break the bank for you to buy a few of them and do your own redneck experiment and report your findings in this thread. Take one for the team man.

LOL.  Thing is my garage already has many remnants left over from "redneck engineering".  I thought maybe this time I could just piggyback......

But on the other hand, these things are quite the bargain compared to some of my past experiments.

[motorhogman]

Mainly aimed at turbo and motorhogman:  Either of you install one of these mounts yet and ride with it?  Which ones did you order and try out?  1, 2, or 3?  Any "reviews" welcome.  Thanks.

I haven't ordered one yet.  I am going with the # 1 when i do.  Stock FLHT.  Had to many things going on around here lately.  I'll get to it eventually. 

[farmall]

Nice find!
Barry mounts have been used on aircraft since WWII including avionics on the Phantom, Bronco and F-16s I wrenched so I'd have no worries about consistent quality vs. mystery ChiCom unknown durometer urethane generic mounts. There's no reason such mounts should be expensive given their simplicity and immense economies of scale from use throughout the military and civilian world. Nearly every "black box" (though mostly gray today) in the air rides on Barry mounts.

[hbkeith]

I just put the #3 front mount on my 97FLHR , dont notice any vibration change so far , bike seems tight 

[SixShooter14]

I just put the #3 front mount on my 97FLHR , dont notice any vibration change so far , bike seems tight 

Is that the 507-3NS? You running a stock 80"? I'll be interested to hear how you're liking it after some time/distance.

I've got a DS front mount sitting on my bench for my 97 FLHR but this looks and sounds like a better replacement.

[joelp34252]

Just looked at a nos exhaust mount I have for my 1983 FXRT and it has the name Berry molded into the rubber also. Is in a Harley Bag.

Joel 2001 FLHT , 1983 FXRT.

[turboprop]

Update. I purchased this mount in all five stiffnesses and have been running the #3 mount for a couple of months. I like it, but out of curiosity and in the name of science, I swapped it out for the #1 this weekend. Those that are looking for smooth, this is it. I plan to run it for a few months and then go right to #5 for a good A-B comparison.

[hbkeith]

I just put the #3 front mount on my 97FLHR , dont notice any vibration change so far , bike seems tight 

Is that the 507-3NS? You running a stock 80"? I'll be interested to hear how you're liking it after some time/distance.

I've got a DS front mount sitting on my bench for my 97 FLHR but this looks and sounds like a better replacement.

Yes 3NS, not stock but 80

[SixShooter14]

I just put the #3 front mount on my 97FLHR , dont notice any vibration change so far , bike seems tight 

Is that the 507-3NS? You running a stock 80"? I'll be interested to hear how you're liking it after some time/distance.

I've got a DS front mount sitting on my bench for my 97 FLHR but this looks and sounds like a better replacement.

Yes 3NS, not stock but 80

great, me too

[motorhogman]

Fed ex just delivered my 507 1NS mount.. Now the question is which direction is up for it..It's Identical in all dimensions to the 16207-79D mount including weight at 8 3/8 oz..

looking at this old post ( pictures near bottom of page ) would you install it like the early version or the later version..

If you are seeing this turboprop which direction did you install ?

http://www.moccsplace.com/images/mount/mount.htm

[smoserx1]

If it looks like the "D" style mount the hourglass shaped part goes on top.  Mark the bottom side of the old one in there now with a dab of paint before removing, it should be obvious when you get it out which way the new one goes.  If it is the "B" style the larger diameter part goes on top.  The illustrations in that link show it pretty clear.

[motorhogman]

If it looks like the "D" style mount the hourglass shaped part goes on top.  Mark the bottom side of the old one in there now with a dab of paint before removing, it should be obvious when you get it out which way the new one goes.  If it is the "B" style the larger diameter part goes on top.  The illustrations in that link show it pretty clear.

Thanks.. My confusion.. or question is a result of a conversation I had with an engineer at Barry Controls last December.  He said that the 5071NS mount that I ordered was the original OEM mount.  Which would have been the 79B.. He seemed very knowledgeable about the later mounts being a stiffer compound and the vibration issues caused by them.   

This new mount is Identical in all aspects to the 79 D.. The current mount I have in there is a 79 D and installed the way Your old post shows the D vs the B installation. Thanks for posting that. I bookmarked that post back when you posted it.

I was hoping turboprop would jump in here with his experience. As far as I know he;s the only one that has installed these mounts. 

Thinking I may wait until Monday and call Barry Controls as I have the engineers direct phone #.. Although I'm guessing the answer will be it depends on the application..

One more thing to add to my confusion..When I bought that last 79 D mount at the dealer in Florence the parts guy told me the "made in china" lettering side goes down..Which would make that the 79 B install..  I'll guess he was wrong ?  I don't know..

[smoserx1]

Take a look at service bulletin M-1182 available on this site.  It shows the orientation of the old and new style mounts (although the new style at this time is a "C" edition.)  I had also tried one of those Buell L0501.2 mounts mentioned in that link you posted.  It tore up in no time at all.  The latest mount I bought was a "D" mount, and yes it was made in China.  I remember the rubber stunk to high heaven when new (reminded me of walking into a Harbor Freight store back then).  I installed mine with the hourglass part on top and I never had excessive vibrations (all of them are a little stiff at first).  I wonder if a bunch of folks installed the new mounts upside down and this contributed to the vibrations?

[motorhogman]

Take a look at service bulletin M-1182 available on this site.  It shows the orientation of the old and new style mounts (although the new style at this time is a "C" edition.)  I had also tried one of those Buell L0501.2 mounts mentioned in that link you posted.  It tore up in no time at all.  The latest mount I bought was a "D" mount, and yes it was made in China.  I remember the rubber stunk to high heaven when new (reminded me of walking into a Harbor Freight store back then).  I installed mine with the hourglass part on top and I never had excessive vibrations (all of them are a little stiff at first).  I wonder if a bunch of folks installed the new mounts upside down and this contributed to the vibrations?

I wonder if a bunch of folks installed the new mounts upside down and this contributed to the vibrations?  This I wouldn't doubt.. may have even done that myself at some time over the past 20 years...

Thanks I'll look at that bulletin.  Maybe just me not finding it but my OEM SM has no R &R for the front engine mount.  All I can find is inspect at 10,000 mi.   On another note the OEM 01 parts manual picture shows the hour glass side up.  Not a super clear picture but it sure looks that way..

Just looked at the bulletin M 1182.. I'll install it that way and see what happens.. Same as that page you posted for the 79 D..

[smoserx1]

Here is a couple of pics of mine:
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[Hossamania]

A couple of pics of mine. I might be due for a new new one...

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[motorhogman]

Mount installed.. quick test ride, about 10 mi.. Can't say it's overwhelmingly smoother but.. It is smoother especially on decell when hitting the 2200 to 2000 rpm range..  Have to get a longer ride in to say for sure.  For the $$ it works.. Now to see how long it works..  The 79D I took out has about 18,000 mi on it. Really shows no sign of wear.. I gtg get the bbq going.. that's why i could only take a quick test ride..

[motorhogman]

One thing I forgot to mention, when I ordered the engine mount from Barry Controls they were out of "snub washers" recommended for the 507 1 NS.  Looking at yours Hoss and also smoserx1's I notice the washers you have are much thicker than mine.  Mine looks to be a typical fender washer.. I wasn't the first to change this mount, 2 HD dealers replaced it under warranty before I ever got there.  I'm wondering how much effect that could have on vibration transfer.. I read some where the snub washers were designed specifically for certain mounts and applications.. Might have been on Barry Controls site. Not sure where.

[SixShooter14]

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Yup, it might just be a little worn..... Luckily I have a replacement sitting on the bench.

[SixShooter14]

One thing I forgot to mention, when I ordered the engine mount from Barry Controls they were out of "snub washers" recommended for the 507 1 NS.  Looking at yours Hoss and also smoserx1's I notice the washers you have are much thicker than mine.  Mine looks to be a typical fender washer.. I wasn't the first to change this mount, 2 HD dealers replaced it under warranty before I ever got there.  I'm wondering how much effect that could have on vibration transfer.. I read some where the snub washers were designed specifically for certain mounts and applications.. Might have been on Barry Controls site. Not sure where.

FWIW, mine also has the thicker washer underneath.

[smoserx1]

Looking at yours Hoss and also smoserx1's I notice the washers you have are much thicker than mine.

It's hard for me to imagine how that would have any effect unless the washer is so thin it distorts or flexes in operation.  Otherwise won't the nut just thread a little farther onto the shaft of the bolt?  Anyway if it's a concern replace it.  Looks easy enough to change.

[motorhogman]

Those washers are far thicker on all 3 mounts here pictured.  I'm certain after another look at mine it is a common fender washer.  definitely going to look into getting the correct washer.  Thanks for posting the pictures..

[kd]

.... stack a couple for now. If it's a strength issue that should be helpful.

[turboprop]

Fed ex just delivered my 507 1NS mount.. Now the question is which direction is up for it..It's Identical in all dimensions to the 16207-79D mount including weight at 8 3/8 oz..

looking at this old post ( pictures near bottom of page ) would you install it like the early version or the later version..

If you are seeing this turboprop which direction did you install ?

http://www.moccsplace.com/images/mount/mount.htm

Hour glass on top. Silky smooth.

[motorhogman]

.... stack a couple for now. If it's a strength issue that should be helpful.

Thanks KD..There is actually a PN for that washer..96210-80 called the local dealer and they don't stock it.  I'm going to check Lowes specialty fasteners section and see if I can find something comparable, I'm certain I read some where that the correct snub washer should be used with these mounts..

Found where I read about snubbing washers.

[motorhogman]

Fed ex just delivered my 507 1NS mount.. Now the question is which direction is up for it..It's Identical in all dimensions to the 16207-79D mount including weight at 8 3/8 oz..

looking at this old post ( pictures near bottom of page ) would you install it like the early version or the later version..

If you are seeing this turboprop which direction did you install ?

http://www.moccsplace.com/images/mount/mount.htm

Hour glass on top. Silky smooth.

Thanks.. That's how I installed it..

[motorhogman]

WOW !  I sent John at Barry Controls an email which he replied to within 8 minutes of receiving. This company is totally customer service. The same thing when I ordered,, Great communication, tracking, fast shipping, etc,.. Rare from my experience lately. I explained to him that when I ordered the 507 1NS mount they were out of stock on the washer.. He says the inventory has been updated and he is going to send me the proper snubby washer along with a box of samples I may be interested it.. I have no idea what kind of samples,,

[SixShooter14]

WOW !  I sent John at Barry Controls an email which he replied to within 8 minutes of receiving. This company is totally customer service. The same thing when I ordered,, Great communication, tracking, fast shipping, etc,.. Rare from my experience lately. I explained to him that when I ordered the 507 1NS mount they were out of stock on the washer.. He says the inventory has been updated and he is going to send me the proper snubby washer along with a box of samples I may be interested it.. I have no idea what kind of samples,,

I don't know how long you're going to be waiting, but I can measure the thickness of my washer if you'd like???


Oh, and I'd also like to add...If you look at my first pic from the top side, you'll notice my top mount plate is down all the way to the rubber mount flange. That's because I was getting some loud clunking over bumps and I could get the engine to rock when I would lift the front, so for a bandaid I cranked down the center bolt making it basically rigid.... It's worked for 3 months, but I will be installing the Drag Specialties mount soon...... And depending on how that goes, I may order a few of those Barry's for future replacements.

[SixShooter14]

WOW !  I sent John at Barry Controls an email which he replied to within 8 minutes of receiving. This company is totally customer service. The same thing when I ordered,, Great communication, tracking, fast shipping, etc,.. Rare from my experience lately. I explained to him that when I ordered the 507 1NS mount they were out of stock on the washer.. He says the inventory has been updated and he is going to send me the proper snubby washer along with a box of samples I may be interested it.. I have no idea what kind of samples,,

FYI... The washer is 3/16" thick.

[motorhogman]

WOW !  I sent John at Barry Controls an email which he replied to within 8 minutes of receiving. This company is totally customer service. The same thing when I ordered,, Great communication, tracking, fast shipping, etc,.. Rare from my experience lately. I explained to him that when I ordered the 507 1NS mount they were out of stock on the washer.. He says the inventory has been updated and he is going to send me the proper snubby washer along with a box of samples I may be interested it.. I have no idea what kind of samples,,

I don't know how long you're going to be waiting, but I can measure the thickness of my washer if you'd like???


Oh, and I'd also like to add...If you look at my first pic from the top side, you'll notice my top mount plate is down all the way to the rubber mount flange. That's because I was getting some loud clunking over bumps and I could get the engine to rock when I would lift the front, so for a bandaid I cranked down the center bolt making it basically rigid.... It's worked for 3 months, but I will be installing the Drag Specialties mount soon...... And depending on how that goes, I may order a few of those Barry's for future replacements.

Thanks for the thickness dimension.  You sure got you $$ worth out of that front mount. 

[hattitude]

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Not sure I'll be able to sleep tonight after opening this your post....     

[motorhogman]

Finally got a real test ride in ( 150 mi )  for the new Barry Controls engine mount and correct snubby washer. Definitely smoother than the 79D mount.

Not only is the mount smoother it's a fraction of the dealer price.  Customer service is also excellent. They sent me 4 snubby washers @ No charge because their inventory mistakenly showed "out of stock" when I ordered.  They sent me a box of sample materials also. Sound absorbing materials that can be used ad head liners and floor matting in vehicles. 

Thanks Much to turboprop for finding this source. 

[motorhogman]

I've been in contact with John at Barry Controls. Looking to see what other parts they may mfg. Like Handle bar bushings ( 56161-83A ) and swing arm rubber mounts, ( 47564-86 ) 

He sent me a picture of what looks like the handle bar bushings.  They look right but I need to find the dimensions on them.  Does anyone have a set they could measure or have a drawing of them ? 

[Fugawee]

I have a set of rubber Handle-bar bushings for an 03' FLHTCUI.  HD #56161-83A.  Here are the dimensions the best that My bloodshot eyes can see.  I hope that this may help You out...

*Total Height=3/4"
*Outside Diameter has a 3/16" Lip in Height around the outside on one end only.
*Outside Diameter of Lip End=1 and 1/4"
*Outside Diameter without Lip=1 and 1/8"
*Inside Diameter=11/16"

[motorhogman]

I have a set of rubber Handle-bar bushings for an 03' FLHTCUI.  HD #56161-83A.  Here are the dimensions the best that My bloodshot eyes can see.  I hope that this may help You out...

*Total Height=3/4"
*Outside Diameter has a 3/16" Lip in Height around the outside on one end only.
*Outside Diameter of Lip End=1 and 1/4"
*Outside Diameter without Lip=1 and 1/8"
*Inside Diameter=11/16"

Thank You.  I'll give these dimensions to John and see if what he has matches.

I may be wasting time with this but I'm thinking if mounts can be bought direct from Barry Controls like the engine mounts there may be an opportunity for better quality and lower prices..

[Fugawee]

Your Welcome.  Good Luck!

[motorhogman]

john sent me a drawing and spec sheet for what he has.  Looks like a No Go..

[smoserx1]

Ronnie's shows those handlebar bushings for $1.49 each.  Looks like there are lots of aftermarket ones for more money.  I have never even thought about changing mine, but I probably wouldn't know the symptoms of worn out ones anyway.  I believe I would stick with the dealer for these.

[motorhogman]

Ronnie's shows those handlebar bushings for $1.49 each.  Looks like there are lots of aftermarket ones for more money.  I have never even thought about changing mine, but I probably wouldn't know the symptoms of worn out ones anyway.  I believe I would stick with the dealer for these.

Yes.. I saw the 1.49 price.. My experience with worn out handle bar bushings is Vibration in the bars. Just trying to see what else Barry Controls mfg that will fit our bikes.  Looking into the swing arm rubber mounts as well.. They are about $50.00 each from HD..  The front engine mount works great and $19.00 is a steal.. Also looking at tour pack back rest isolator rubbers. 

[ecir50]

Thanks, just ordered a 507-1NS for a 81 FLT

[ecir50]

fast shipment receive in two days. Will note since I didn't recall seeing it mentioned the stock mount uses a 1/2 bolt for the through hole this 507 mount has a .459 through hole so have to use a 7/16 bolt. 

https://novibration.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/bcdi_prod_bonded_507.pdf

[Ohio HD]

What year and model is your bike? My 2008 touring bike uses an HD 3512, 3/8"-24 x 3-1/4" bolt.

[Hossamania]

Here you go

Thanks, just ordered a 507-1NS for a 81 FLT

[ecir50]

Have two old factory mounts one from 81 FLT another from 88 FXR both used 1/2 bolt with through hole measuring .551.

Not that it matters just noting to check what you have before putting one of these on so you have a bolt on hand.

[Ohio HD]

Understood. I imagine a 7/16 grade eight bolt will work fine.

They seemed to have downsize the bolts along the way. Not sure what year they went to 3/8" like my 2008 has.

[ecir50]

I hear ya figure 3/8 or 7/16 grade 8 would work.

[turboprop]

I think you guys are missing a key detail. That bolt is not supposed to provide any lateral support. Look at what is happening. The engine/trans pivots radially off of the swingarm axle. The front engine mount stabilizes the radial movement of the drive train. The bolt that goes through the center hole f the engine mount should ideally be located in the center of the hole with equal gap around it. Again, it is only there to provide radial stability. The two turn buckles provide the lateral stability. As noted in this thread, the earliest rubber mounted bikes had a large bolt and over the years it's diameter has been reduced. I do not believe this is not a material cost saving measure, but rather to make it easier to position the rubber mount in a way that transfers the least amount of vibrations to the chassis. But dont take my word for it. Instead, put a small jack under the engine and remove that bolt, then raise and lower the engine while looking at the front engine mount. Then look at the two turnbuckles and ask yourself what putting a larger bolt in there does. Seriously. The smaller but thing can easily be retrofitted to older bikes that originally had a larger bolt. I hope this takes on the form of one of those exciting twin cam lifter debates.

[Ohio HD]

We didn't miss any details. It was simply a notice of the ID of the mount not allowing use of the 0.500" diameter bolt his early bike used. And I noted my later bikes used a 0.375" fastener. No discussion of structural requirements.

[turboprop]

I found what may be the oem for the original -B front engine mount used on baggers and FXRs. Barry Controls, made in the USA, $18.10 direct.

Here are three links:

The first link is to the catalog which contains tons of scientific information as well as top level drawings. Interesting to note that the mount typical used in Harley applications is available in five different hardness ratings.
Barry-Controls-2011-compressed.pdf

The second link is to the online store. The 507-3NS is what was used by Harley. I Just ordered it and the corresponding snubbing washer. Total bill was $38 that included $20 for shipping.
online store

The third link is to an ebay listing for the Barry mount. $60, but has good images.
ebay listing

I just ordered a couple. Will see.

An update.

If you read the thread and looked at the links you will have seen that the mount in this form factor is available in five different level of stiffness. 1 is the softest, 5 being the hardest. There is some noise about #3 being what the original factory mount was, but that has never really been confirmed by anyone.

I purchased one of each back in 2020 and have been rotating them around my three bikes ever since, two FXRs with TC124s and a TC88 bagger. I am now at the point where the last bike has been switched over to a #1 mount. All of them are now using a #1 hardness front engine mount.

I started with my naked red/white FXR using the number 5 mount. Hated it. It lasted about 800 miles in the bike before it was replaced with the #4 and so on, before settling on the #1.  I was concerned and the do nothing arm chair had hypothesized that the engine would bounce around too much. It doesn't. 12:1 compression, solid front sprocket. Silky smooth.

Did the same thing on the other two bikes, except started at number four on the blue/white FXR and worked down to #2. The difference felt at my seat-o-pants meter between the two was significant enough that I bit the bullet, purchased another #1 and swapped out the #2.

This left the bagger. Hate that bike. Seriously. I would sell it if it was worth anything and hate spending money on it. But the difference between the two other bikes and couch on wheels was so overwhelming and annoying that I had to buy another #1 mount.

So, what to do with the remaining #2 - #5 mounts. Talk them up to the bar stool crowd until they can't take it and ask to buy one.

Bottom line #1 is where it is at.


PS - I cant wait to hear stories of irrelevancies.

[motorhogman]

I've been running a #1 since your original post. Very happy with it. 01' stock box FLHT

[badazzpred]

I found what may be the oem for the original -B front engine mount used on baggers and FXRs. Barry Controls, made in the USA, $18.10 direct.

Here are three links:

The first link is to the catalog which contains tons of scientific information as well as top level drawings. Interesting to note that the mount typical used in Harley applications is available in five different hardness ratings.
Barry-Controls-2011-compressed.pdf

The second link is to the online store. The 507-3NS is what was used by Harley. I Just ordered it and the corresponding snubbing washer. Total bill was $38 that included $20 for shipping.
online store

The third link is to an ebay listing for the Barry mount. $60, but has good images.
ebay listing

I just ordered a couple. Will see.

An update.

If you read the thread and looked at the links you will have seen that the mount in this form factor is available in five different level of stiffness. 1 is the softest, 5 being the hardest. There is some noise about #3 being what the original factory mount was, but that has never really been confirmed by anyone.

I purchased one of each back in 2020 and have been rotating them around my three bikes ever since, two FXRs with TC124s and a TC88 bagger. I am now at the point where the last bike has been switched over to a #1 mount. All of them are now using a #1 hardness front engine mount.

I started with my naked red/white FXR using the number 5 mount. Hated it. It lasted about 800 miles in the bike before it was replaced with the #4 and so on, before settling on the #1.  I was concerned and the do nothing arm chair had hypothesized that the engine would bounce around too much. It doesn't. 12:1 compression, solid front sprocket. Silky smooth.

Did the same thing on the other two bikes, except started at number four on the blue/white FXR and worked down to #2. The difference felt at my seat-o-pants meter between the two was significant enough that I bit the bullet, purchased another #1 and swapped out the #2.

This left the bagger. Hate that bike. Seriously. I would sell it if it was worth anything and hate spending money on it. But the difference between the two other bikes and couch on wheels was so overwhelming and annoying that I had to buy another #1 mount.

So, what to do with the remaining #2 - #5 mounts. Talk them up to the bar stool crowd until they can't take it and ask to buy one.

Bottom line #1 is where it is at.


PS - I cant wait to hear stories of irrelevancies.

Great thread and I'm so glad I happened to stumble upon it as my original mount on my 05' EGC is due for replacement and HD is a ripoff!!
I spoke with Renee over at dB Engineering who's in charge of the bonded tube mount division and explained to her that I came across this thread and that at first you recommended Harley's original was most likely the 507-3NS she told me that she constantly gets orders from independent HD repair shops for the 507-2NS so before I place my order I noticed that you now are recommending the 507-1NS ? again this would be for my 05' EGC all stock.......What are your thoughts please?

[Hossamania]

I think turboprop's recommendation is pretty clear.

[badazzpred]

I think turboprop's recommendation is pretty clear.

You mean to go with the 507-1NS over the 507-2NS ?

[Hossamania]

That's what he said. Quote:

"Bottom line #1 is where it is at."

[badazzpred]

That's what he said. Quote:

"Bottom line #1 is where it is at."

Well I installed the 507-1NS and to be honest it seems to still have a lot of vibration? I wonder if it will settle in over time or do I need to go with the 507-2NS instead?

[motorhogman]

That's what he said. Quote:

"Bottom line #1 is where it is at."

Well I installed the 507-1NS and to be honest it seems to still have a lot of vibration? I wonder if it will settle in over time or do I need to go with the 507-2NS instead?

I noticed less vibration as soon as I installed mine. The OEM mount I took out was in good physical condition. I forget how long ago I installed the 1NS. It's back some where in this post. This old 01 FLHT is smooth as can be with  121,000 mi   The 2 is stiffer compound.. I think that would give you more vibration. Try loosening up your mounting bolts, center them and retorquing. Personally I wouldn't use any other mount.

[Hossamania]

As motorhogman said, loosen the bolts, start the motor and let it idle for a few seconds to center the mount, shut down motor and tighten the mount.

[Deye76]

Couldn't find the corresponding snubbing washer part #, anyone have it?
Edit: found it.