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Re: Transmission help
« Reply #50 on: January 06, 2021, 04:02:31 AM »
Consider Loctite 680 (green) instead of red to fill the gap between bearing shell and case. It's designed to for that (will fill up to 15 thousandths- perfect for retaining slip fit bearings).
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Re: Transmission help
« Reply #51 on: January 06, 2021, 04:08:01 AM »
OK, thanx
BDL belts specify Red to take up the slack for the main shaft so I thought it might be a
a good choice for this too?
I actually had to heat the area up to pull the clutch off the main shaft after using the Red, and it has been
in hard use for a year!
  I will look into the green stuff.
thanx
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Re: Transmission help
« Reply #52 on: January 06, 2021, 06:59:13 AM »
200 Series Loctite products are designed for fasteners, seen here.


Not to be confused with other green Loctite products, Loctite 680 was designed for filling gaps between bearing shells and their housings.
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Re: Transmission help
« Reply #53 on: January 06, 2021, 09:03:25 AM »
Green on the inside and red on the outside? 
LOL
Thanx for the info.
I will get er done.
Now back to narrow rings pistons and other projects of insanity.
 

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Re: Transmission help
« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2021, 04:38:00 PM »
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Re: Transmission help
« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2021, 05:00:32 PM »
https://www.microbluebearings.com/6209-ceramic-ball-bearing/

What do you guys think of this?

What are you trying to accomplish here?

How much power is the engine putting out?

I say find a used gearset and be done with it.

Use loctite 609 to remedy the bearing loose fit.
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Re: Transmission help
« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2021, 05:27:14 PM »
We already have baker OD 6 on the way.

No going back now.
This summer I am shooting for 1.35 - TQ/Hp  at a very low usable RPM
That's the goal , usable power.
We more than surpassed the 1.30 mark on two different dynos last fall.
In due process, the next weakest link raised its uugly head, the left side seals in the transmission transparently did not like the
pulls.
Upon examination, there was way too much wrong with the shafts, forks, bearings etc
to economically fix, -it came out about the same price as a new baker insert.


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Re: Transmission help
« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2021, 08:00:23 PM »
Anything that reduces parasitic drag is "better". Worth it, price wise, as far as a good value? IDK>  I do believe ceramic wheel bearings drop ET by a few thousandths.
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Re: Transmission help
« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2021, 10:30:09 PM »
https://www.microbluebearings.com/6209-ceramic-ball-bearing/

What do you guys think of this?

Back in the days of the AHDRA S&S 124 Challenge Class, a racer named Mike Roberts had just about every moving part on his bike done by Micro Blue Racing. Not just wheel bearings, but every bearing in the entire bike, the primary drive chain/sprockets, final drive chain/sprockets, and all of the moving parts in the engine. Mike dominated that class for several years.

I had Micro Blue do the gear set in my red/white bike,  the wheel bearings, and a few internal engine parts. Its not for everyone.

Funny - I am surprised the crowd that fusses over compensators and lifters has not found this stuff and debated at length (without ever trying it).
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Re: Transmission help
« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2021, 02:18:11 AM »
https://www.microbluebearings.com/6209-ceramic-ball-bearing/

What do you guys think of this?

Back in the days of the AHDRA S&S 124 Challenge Class, a racer named Mike Roberts had just about every moving part on his bike done by Micro Blue Racing. Not just wheel bearings, but every bearing in the entire bike, the primary drive chain/sprockets, final drive chain/sprockets, and all of the moving parts in the engine. Mike dominated that class for several years.


   that wasnt cheap i bet , now all the top guys are ceramic , ive got them in my wheels
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Re: Transmission help
« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2021, 02:51:09 AM »
https://www.microbluebearings.com/6209-ceramic-ball-bearing/

What do you guys think of this?

Back in the days of the AHDRA S&S 124 Challenge Class, a racer named Mike Roberts had just about every moving part on his bike done by Micro Blue Racing. Not just wheel bearings, but every bearing in the entire bike, the primary drive chain/sprockets, final drive chain/sprockets, and all of the moving parts in the engine. Mike dominated that class for several years.

I had Micro Blue do the gear set in my red/white bike,  the wheel bearings, and a few internal engine parts. Its not for everyone.

Funny - I am surprised the crowd that fusses over compensators and lifters has not found this stuff and debated at length (without ever trying it).

Most people want to bolt-on gobs of Tq and HP. ( the novice approach)
It is just not that way! (despite the claims of 20 HP air cleaners and 50 more HP exhaust.)
 "we" know that.
 Moving the "VE" continually up the scale we have to linearly look for ounces instead of pounds for improvements.
In my case, my MC is one of my passions. I want the most out of it with reliability somewhere in the nucleus.
Skipping on bearings is just the low brow, low dollar way of doing things.
The "Walmart way" if you will.
In twenty years I will guess one will have to order plain jane bearings if they don't want the better ceramics.
The industry moves forward, some of us just like to surf? Do we like the cutting edge? Or not?
The devil is in the details -  I ride what looks like a Harley. They never made such a nice machine and too bad for them!
If we can improve the "co" incrementally, a couple of percents here, over there, etc, and with our detail to the large picture we have a better faster bike per cube than last year. ( my goal)
Sure this bearing   is spendy, but it was cheaper than a hangover with much longer happier results
Hopefully, it will complement the new Baker set up.
To each their own.
PS thnax for the heads up on micro blue-that saved me a lot of  reaseach
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Re: Transmission help
« Reply #61 on: January 13, 2021, 03:10:57 PM »
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