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S&S 570 at 10.3:1?

Started by chris.m.j, January 04, 2021, 02:06:56 PM

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jsachs1

Quote from: Adam76 on February 20, 2021, 01:11:34 AM
Quote from: jsachs1 on February 19, 2021, 01:42:04 PM
The SE cast pistons have a larger dome (11cc) than the 22868-00A forged pistons (6cc). Also there may be interference with the head by the downward slope of the valve pocket area on the cast pistons. :angry:
John
FWIW, the original 22868-00 had 8cc funky looking domes. Doubt that any of those can be found new today.

Thanks John,
Just to clarify,  when I find the HD SE Forged pistons #22868-00A in the online catalogue  they are listed as 10.5 c/r.....    :scratch:  I wish they weren't 10.5 because it would save me a couple hundred dollars.
I used to buy the 22868-00A pistons, 5 packs to the case for years, and you can take it to the bank, that they're 6 cc. domes. The cast pistons, have the 11cc dome. I trust very little that I read, so I cc everything that I use. I still use the 22868-00A pistons on most of my 95" builds.
John

838

Quote from: Adam76 on February 20, 2021, 04:46:22 PM
Quote from: HD Street Performance on February 20, 2021, 09:38:51 AM
Reply 25, Street Pro heads and Cr575 at 10.3:1. 2001 ultra efi
Sounds like a good build, should rip.  :scoot:

When installing manual compression releases to a set of heads, which are the best ones to get?  I've seen some that were $100 a set! Can they be had cheaper?  This woud open my cam choice right up instead of only being able to use S&S  easy start cams.
Thanks

MCRs installed are usually about $150. S&S EZ start cams are about $150 more than a standard set. The way I look at it, you break even there.

Adam76

Quote from: jsachs1 on February 20, 2021, 05:04:08 PM
Quote from: Adam76 on February 20, 2021, 01:11:34 AM
Quote from: jsachs1 on February 19, 2021, 01:42:04 PM
The SE cast pistons have a larger dome (11cc) than the 22868-00A forged pistons (6cc). Also there may be interference with the head by the downward slope of the valve pocket area on the cast pistons. :angry:
John
FWIW, the original 22868-00 had 8cc funky looking domes. Doubt that any of those can be found new today.

Thanks John,
Just to clarify,  when I find the HD SE Forged pistons #22868-00A in the online catalogue  they are listed as 10.5 c/r.....    :scratch:  I wish they weren't 10.5 because it would save me a couple hundred dollars.
I used to buy the 22868-00A pistons, 5 packs to the case for years, and you can take it to the bank, that they're 6 cc. domes. The cast pistons, have the 11cc dome. I trust very little that I read, so I cc everything that I use. I still use the 22868-00A pistons on most of my 95" builds.
John
Thanks John, appreciate the verification.   :up:

04rkryder

"From what I can see,  KB doesn't offer a piston for a 4.00" stroke TC88 - 95/98" motor.... only 103" and up? "

KB905C 6.7cc 10:1 available STD to +040

Don D

In stock here, very common piston

mrmike

Quote from: Adam76 on February 12, 2021, 06:31:13 AM
Quote from: mrmike on January 08, 2021, 04:50:55 PM
Yup Hippo build, Screaming Eagle HTCC heads and S&S 570, IIRC.

I've been running the 570 easy starts in a 95" at 10 to 1 for 15+ years.

Blackhills Ken did the build and JSachs did the bore and heads. 106/107

They work.

Mike

Sounds like a winner   :up:

What did you do to beef up the clutch to handle the tq/hp?
Thanks




Already had a VPC so we just put a Barnett extra plate clutch in, works great. Bike has 40,000 miles on this build and clutch total mileage is around 70k.

Mike



I'm not leaving til I have a good time

jsachs1

Quote from: 04rkryder on February 21, 2021, 07:41:02 AM
"From what I can see,  KB doesn't offer a piston for a 4.00" stroke TC88 - 95/98" motor.... only 103" and up? "

KB905C 6.7cc 10:1 available STD to +040
I just did a 95" build with those pistons. Knocked .030" off the domes. Came in at 5.2 cc. I haven't seen the dyno sheet yet, but was told 108 hp. and 111 ft. lbs. ( see reply # 18).
John

Adam76

February 21, 2021, 04:25:18 PM #57 Last Edit: February 21, 2021, 06:36:41 PM by Adam76
Quote from: 04rkryder on February 21, 2021, 07:41:02 AM
"From what I can see,  KB doesn't offer a piston for a 4.00" stroke TC88 - 95/98" motor.... only 103" and up? "

KB905C 6.7cc 10:1 available STD to +040

😆 you just beat me to it, I just found them also.. 
With regards to the .020 - .040" oversize pistons which increases the bore to closer to a 97" build... Can you get the exact 3.905 / 3.915 size MLS  .030" Cometic head gasket to match the 95" + .020 / .040 oversize bore?

This looks like the way I'm going.
Thanks

Adam76

February 21, 2021, 04:29:25 PM #58 Last Edit: February 21, 2021, 04:55:14 PM by Adam76
Quote from: jsachs1 on February 21, 2021, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: 04rkryder on February 21, 2021, 07:41:02 AM
"From what I can see,  KB doesn't offer a piston for a 4.00" stroke TC88 - 95/98" motor.... only 103" and up? "

KB905C 6.7cc 10:1 available STD to +040
I just did a 95" build with those pistons. Knocked .030" off the domes. Came in at 5.2 cc. I haven't seen the dyno sheet yet, but was told 108 hp. and 111 ft. lbs. ( see reply # 18).
John

Thanks for reporting back on this build John. 👍👍
Turned out well.

Adam76

February 26, 2021, 04:19:33 PM #59 Last Edit: February 26, 2021, 05:09:08 PM by Adam76
Quote from: HD Street Performance on February 20, 2021, 09:38:51 AM
Reply 25, Street Pro heads and Cr575 at 10.3:1. 2001 ultra efi
Hi,  in your experience with building and tuning  S&S 570 and CR575 cams in 95"/97" big bore builds.  With a set of later model 96" stock heads (NO headwork) --  which of the 2 cams at around 10-1 / 10.2 compression would do better? Overall TQ probably the most important, area under the curve etc.
Thanks for your advice.