Red Loctite

[billbuilds]

     The SM says to use Loctite 262 on the clutch hub nut and the Man-O-War compensator installation instructions says to use it on the T70 motor bolt. I'm having a heck of a time finding it around here and a 6ml tube from eBay would be at least a week to get here. Kind of a rhetorical question but there really isn't any suitable substitute for this in either Loctite or Permatex brand thread locker is there? 

[kd]

I just searched "what is equal to Loctite 262" and got a bunch of hits. I am sure Loctite 262 equivalents would find as many. Too many to post here. 

[billbuilds]

     The only thing that I see listed as a direct equivalent to Loctite 262 would be Permatex 19962 and that is not available around here either. Looks like I'll have to order some. Yes, I could have planed a little better. 

[Hossamania]

Just asking, did you check local hardware stores too?

[FSG]

any 271 or 272 ?

[billbuilds]

     Hoss, There's a Home Depot, Lowes, NAPA, O'Reilly's, AutoZone, Advance Auto and Aubuchon Hardware in this town and none of them carry the stuff.     
I

     FSG, I have both Loctite 272 and Permatex 27100 which is apparently the same as Loctite 271. These are both rated as high strength where as the 262 is medium-high strength. I supposed that I could use the 27100 sparingly though it doesn't really look like great riding weather thru the middle to end of next week so I'm kind of leaning toward just ordering in the 262.
                                     Thanks for the replies, Bill
                                       

[Ohio HD]

Amazon shows Loctite 262 can be delivered by Sunday in my area. And I live in the country.

I also would not be concerned in using 271. 262 is rated up to 3/4" fasteners, 271 up to 1" fasteners. The break away strength for 271 is about 25% higher than 262.

The way I use it is I make a small two or three drops on the thread, take a Q-tip and roll it around the threads to make a small ring around the fastener. some is pulled away from the Q-tip, but in essence I have a ring around the fastener about 6 to 8 threads wide.  You can also use a clean small blade screw driver to push it around the thread.

Amazon ~ Loctite 262

[JW113]

A lot, if not most, parts stores are now carrying a product called Permatex Threadlocker Orange, High Strength Removable. Supposed to be stronger than Blue/242, but not a non-removable stud locker like 272. I've been using it a lot lately, seems to work great.

-JW

[JerseyT]

Check your local Harley dealership.

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/shop/Loctite-262-Threadlocker-Sealant/p/94759-99

[kd]

Lots of good suggestions here.  I feel for you and hate it when this stuff happens.  The bottom line IMO is the close matches you have should work fine on a clean dry thread.  All of the options will reqquire heat to soften it at removal time and that says a lot for their capacity to do the job for you.  Or, you can just order some and wait.  Do you have anything else to do with the time?

[billbuilds]

     Brian, You are a lot more centrally located geographically and I'm sure that helps cut down shipping time. The q-tip method of thread lock application sounds like it distributes the drops real well on to the threads.

     JerseyT, I did not think to check the dealership, thanks.

     JW, I had not heard of that stuff. One noted feature of the 262 is it's made to work well in an oily environment. None of the others (242, 271 or 272) say anything about oil compatibility.

     kd, Hopefully the dealership will have some 262 but if they have to order it I might just as well do that myself and save a trip. I might was well wait for the new axle kit to come as put the rear wheel back on now. The estimated availability date of the piston pins that I need for my 99 FLHR has been bumped up to 4/27. I need to replace the upper control arms on my Tacoma. Will have to shuffle things around a bit to fit everything in the garage.
   

[Ohio HD]

That's true Bill, as you posted this I recalled that there's an Amazon distribution center about 40 miles away. Also the airport in northern Kentucky is about 45 miles as well. I'm in the beginning of the country belt, not all that far from larger cities.

[FSG]

if time is on your side then order and wait ......  you prolly have lots of other things to do   

[JW113]

OK point taken, they do not say anything about oily environment. However... have you had the opportunity to try and remove a compensator nut or clutch hub nut that had 272 on it? It can get ugly. I'm not so sure those others not rated for oily environment have any issue with it, at least from what I've had to deal with...
 

But... You're in the driver's seat here. Follow your own compass.

-JW

[JSD]

Beware if buying on internet as China has Loctite knock offs, check where it is coming from.

[Ohio HD]

That's not true. If you know where your buying it, you have no worries. By from Grainger, McMaster-Carr, direct from Henkel Chemicals. You just have to use common sense.

[JSD]

On e bay i was looking to stock up my Loctite and found some Cheap and it was from China so i did not buy it.  

[JSD]

On e bay i was looking to stock up my Loctite and found some Cheap and it was from China so i did not buy it. 

I just went on Ebay AU and the locktite (cheap) has chinese writing on it plus it has Henkel on it what do you think? Is it made there or a knock off. Also is this the way to use Quote i may be doing it wrong.

[FSG]

On e bay i was looking to stock up my Loctite and found some Cheap and it was from China so i did not buy it. 

this is what it looks like when I use the function making sure I'm outside the [quote ][/ quote] tags

[billbuilds]

    JSD, I see what you mean to some degree but keep in mind that Henkel is a multinational outfit and this stuff is made in a lot of different countries. Will only buy the stuff with English labels though.   

    Well, Surprise, surprise, the dealer does not have any Loctite 262 in stock. So...
   
    I found a 6ml tube on eBay from a 100% positive feedback seller for $10.29 "out the door". Shipping is free but couldn't avoid the 5.5% for the governor. It's coming from Cleveland so should be here by 4-02 easy.

[Hossamania]

I didn't know that stuff was so hard to get, I've always just walked into the store and gotten it.

[hattitude]

I didn't know that stuff was so hard to get, I've always just walked into the store and gotten it.

Yeah, this thread has been an eye opener for me.....

I've seen them out of stock once or twice in a particular size/flavor, but every auto parts store I have been in, has a significant shelf area full of various Locktite and/or Permatex thread lockers...

 

[Hossamania]

Now you're going to make me check my stock and check for local availability.

[Jim Bronson]

I've always been able to get it at Home Depot whenever I need it, so I've never felt the need to stock up. Maybe that has changed. I'll be heading over there today or tomorrow and take a look.

[Ohio HD]

On e bay i was looking to stock up my Loctite and found some Cheap and it was from China so i did not buy it. 

I just went on Ebay AU and the locktite (cheap) has chinese writing on it plus it has Henkel on it what do you think? Is it made there or a knock off. Also is this the way to use Quote i may be doing it wrong.

Show me the link from Henkel. They're the manufacturer of Loctite. They may sell their products packaged for the Asian market. That doesn't mean it's a knock off.

When I worked for Ingersoll Rand I spent five months in China setting up factories for Ingersoll Rand products. The products were sold in Asia and Australia. We applied labels to the products in the language of where they were to be shipped. They weren't knock offs.

[Deye76]

Thread got me to take inventory.
Loctite red, stick Henkel, Mexico
262 Henkel, India
242 Henkel, India
271 Loctite Corp., Ontario
Legit, or knock offs?

[Ohio HD]

Like I said, Henkel is a worldwide presence. Don't let unfactual comments rule your decisions.


Henkel India

[Deye76]

Agree Brian. All of my Loctite is a couple years old, I've been using it with no problems.

[JW113]

According to their website, they, in one form or another, are in 124 countries world wide. They are a German based and headquartered company.

-JW

[smoserx1]

I'm seeing plenty of it on ebay.  I bought a tube of Permatex red so long ago I can't remember when and I believe it is about gone, but I bet any of the red (or orange) versions will do fine.

[JSD]

On e bay i was looking to stock up my Loctite and found some Cheap and it was from China so i did not buy it. 

I just went on Ebay AU and the locktite (cheap) has chinese writing on it plus it has Henkel on it what do you think? Is it made there or a knock off. Also is this the way to use Quote i may be doing it wrong.

Show me the link from Henkel. They're the manufacturer of Loctite. They may sell their products packaged for the Asian market. That doesn't mean it's a knock off.

When I worked for Ingersoll Rand I spent five months in China setting up factories for Ingersoll Rand products. The products were sold in Asia and Australia. We applied labels to the products in the language of where they were to be shipped. They weren't knock offs.
No link just seen the name

[JSD]

No Link on china Ebay Locktite

[billbuilds]

  Pretty informative though he doesn't mention 262. I guess that I was wrong about where it's made. Best point might well be at 4:33.

[JW113]

Regarding shelf life...

We did an internal audit and found some Loctite on the production floor that was expired, so they wrote up a CAPA. When you get a CAPA, you have to do an investigation, and impact assessment. Meaning if product was built with the expired Loctite, what's the quality risk. I tried to contact Henkel and get some data on what happens to the Loctite when it's past it's date. Like, loose 10% of it's strength per month? 20%? Or more? Or when it's one day past it's expiration, does it suddenly turn to water? Nothing. Not a peep. And I am sure that like me, many of you have ancient bottles of Loctite that still seem to work just fine. I have a bottle of red that I use on compensator nuts that has to be 5 years old, and the nuts are just as hard to break free as ever. So... I'm not buying it. I think they just want to sell more Loctite.

-JW

[Ohio HD]

I suspect that there is a marginal decrease in the strength after a certain length of time. I too have used Loctite when over two years old. A several years ago on a Sunday I needed some green Loctite weld sealant. I found some in a box of old junk, had to be ten years old or older. It worked fine. I was filling a void of a pressed on bearing on a shaft of a lawn mower deck. The bearing stayed in place as long as I owned the mower.

[Hossamania]

I figure if it doesn't come out of the tube, or comes out milky water, it's expired.

[bump]

I went to a Loctite thing for company I worked for, Guy gave a talk about loctite and it.s uses. Went over the different types. He said it expired after six months after opening. I never had any go bad on me. Was a good way to get paid for 2hrs. This was about 20 years ago, may be different now.

[billbuilds]

   Yup, I've used it way paste the expiration date too. I have a container of the pink stuff that is at least 20 years old and it looks fine.

[crock]

Didn't know it expired. 

[jsachs1]

Had a bud that worked for Boeing. Gave me tons of expired chemicals, including Loctite, and Kroil. All that stuff will out live me, "I guarantee it".
John

[CarlosGGodfrog]

Has anyone tried the Harbor Freight Thread Locker ?

[JW113]

No, but I just recently the "ball" on one of their ball-driver hex sockets snap off.

-JW

[Dan89flstc]

If the bolt that is used in this compensator is the same as an OEM bolt, you could buy an OEM bolt (it has the locking compound already on it).

[billbuilds]

If the bolt that is used in this compensator is the same as an OEM bolt, you could buy an OEM bolt (it has the locking compound already on it).

     I'll bet the 262, when used w/primer as Man-O-War instructions state, holds a lot better than the lock patch.

[bump]

No, but I just recently the "ball" on one of their ball-driver hex sockets snap off.

-JW

I have broke the ball end off of several brands of hex sockets.

[FSG]

you could buy an OEM bolt (it has the locking compound already on it).

I always brush it off and use loctite 

[kd]

   I am not comfortable with the additional drag created with the dry patch interfering with properly reaching the torque spec.

[Deye76]

The useless dry patch turns to powder that gets eliminated on installation should be trusted by all means. The attached photo shows what happens when you do. S&S backing plate screws, the one on the right was "trusted". YMMV. As o'l Clint said, "feeling lucky"?You cannot see attachments on this board. 

[76shuvlinoff]

I didn't know that stuff was so hard to get, I've always just walked into the store and gotten it.

 My Napa had it..... till they closed up last year. 

[billbuilds]

     It does show as an item at NAPA online however it says out of stock, at least at the local store. When I called that store to ask if they'd be getting some in I was told that they no longer stock it. Strange

[Deye76]

The auto parts stores around here all stock Permatex. No Loctite to be had unless ordered online.

[CarlosGGodfrog]

Bought a product decades ago, Permatex Green Wick n Lock. Was fabulous. Applied to tightened fasteners.

[bump]

That is what I use after truing a laced wheel

[JW113]

I'd be a little nervous about using any type of thread locker on spokes and nipples. Generally you want to use just the opposite, an anti-seize product. The problem with spokes is they are strong in tension, but not so much in torque/twisting. So if you ever need to adjust/remove, good chance of breaking. Best of luck, though.

-JW

[bump]

Been doing it for years.

[Jim Bronson]

Lots of both blue and red at Home Depot today. $7.38. Ouch.

[bump]

I'd be a little nervous about using any type of thread locker on spokes and nipples. Generally you want to use just the opposite, an anti-seize product. The problem with spokes is they are strong in tension, but not so much in torque/twisting. So if you ever need to adjust/remove, good chance of breaking. Best of luck, though.

-JW

After truing wheel to specs just a drop on each nipple. If you need to take it apart just heat it to about 350*-400*.