Time For Different Set Up

[turboprop]

Who is Mr. Don?

[60Gunner]

Who is Mr. Don?

Head Porter.

The CR630i is a good cam too if you have the clearance. Higher lift, require higher spring pressures probably and roller rockers?

[turboprop]

 
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Who is Mr. Don?

Head Porter.

The CR630i is a good cam too if you have the clearance. Higher lift, require higher spring pressures probably and roller rockers?

Dorfman, you guys are referring to him as Mr. Don? blahahahahha

[WhipLash96]

If you're looking at the Mackie 598,
Mackie shows the 598 needs 10.2+cr. He's being way conservative. It would be very soft on bottom at that cr.
I have ran it at 11 to 11.1. That is where it really shines. Also very quiet and no need for roller rockers. Excellent long distance touring with power

I think that 10.2 is a misprint.
This cam is very interesting indeed. I know Mr. Don loves this cam. We talked about it when I did my my build. Actually right after. I might've done it myself had I not already had the 590s.
The Tman 590PS2 or this DM598  at 10.8 - 11.0 are 2 very good cams for what you want. The 590 will have a little more cranking compression at the same compression ratio. About 8-10psi more as I recall.
These would be my choices and hard to beat for cams with good low end torque that run out to 6000rpm for good top end too. And easy on the valve train!

205-210 ccp is good for me. Do you work for TMan? Pushing that 590 pretty hard. Lol No worries, it's all good. Gosh, I would think that at 10;1 Corrected that that plenty of squeeze.

Nope, I just know what they're capable of. So does Don. So does my tuner you all know here. He's already told you the same thing hasn't he? For some reason you don't seem to want to listen or care for them. Not sure which.
Either of these two cams are great for what you want. Yes in a 124. And they won't beat the snot out of your valvevtrain doing it. That's why I like them.

Look at the woods 888 once. Tell me what you see?

Boy, I think you misinterpreted my last statement.  I have no problem with the 590. You like it and use it, that's cool. Not listening? Not sure where you are getting that? As far as "tuners" on thus site goes, I have no idea who they are and not concerning myself with that. I'm sure they are knowledgeable and capable people, but I have my own tuner.

Believe me, I am listening to what you are saying more than you think.

[djl]

Added: Also not seeing the 630I available for 99-06 gear drive.

Whip, call Wes. I am running the CR595 in my 98" motor which was also not shown as available for gear drive but I am running it with gears. I run that cam at 11.25 static, 10.0 corrected and 213CCP. First CR cam and it seems that they like compression.

[60Gunner]

Added: Also not seeing the 630I available for 99-06 gear drive.

Whip, call Wes. I am running the CR595 in my 98" motor which was also not shown as available for gear drive but I am running it with gears. I run that cam at 11.25 static, 10.0 corrected and 213CCP. First CR cam and it seems that they like compression.

Darren says aim about 10psi high on compression on the 630i as the early exhaust opening bleeds pressure just like a later intake opening does. Maybe the same with the 595? Another good cam btw.

If you're looking at the Mackie 598,
Mackie shows the 598 needs 10.2+cr. He's being way conservative. It would be very soft on bottom at that cr.
I have ran it at 11 to 11.1. That is where it really shines. Also very quiet and no need for roller rockers. Excellent long distance touring with power

I think that 10.2 is a misprint.
This cam is very interesting indeed. I know Mr. Don loves this cam. We talked about it when I did my my build. Actually right after. I might've done it myself had I not already had the 590s.
The Tman 590PS2 or this DM598  at 10.8 - 11.0 are 2 very good cams for what you want. The 590 will have a little more cranking compression at the same compression ratio. About 8-10psi more as I recall.
These would be my choices and hard to beat for cams with good low end torque that run out to 6000rpm for good top end too. And easy on the valve train!

205-210 ccp is good for me. Do you work for TMan? Pushing that 590 pretty hard. Lol No worries, it's all good. Gosh, I would think that at 10;1 Corrected that that plenty of squeeze.

Nope, I just know what they're capable of. So does Don. So does my tuner you all know here. He's already told you the same thing hasn't he? For some reason you don't seem to want to listen or care for them. Not sure which.
Either of these two cams are great for what you want. Yes in a 124. And they won't beat the snot out of your valvevtrain doing it. That's why I like them.

Look at the woods 888 once. Tell me what you see?

Boy, I think you misinterpreted my last statement.  I have no problem with the 590. You like it and use it, that's cool. Not listening? Not sure where you are getting that? As far as "tuners" on thus site goes, I have no idea who they are and not concerning myself with that. I'm sure they are knowledgeable and capable people, but I have my own tuner.

Believe me, I am listening to what you are saying more than you think.

No worries. 
The 590s and 598s have a few things in common I really ilike is all.
If you noticed the Woods 888 has the exact intake valve events as the 590s but look at the LSA.
Now look at the LSA of the 590s and 598s. They also have a little added exhaust duration. The 630i a little more.

[WhipLash96]

Added: Also not seeing the 630I available for 99-06 gear drive.

Whip, call Wes. I am running the CR595 in my 98" motor which was also not shown as available for gear drive but I am running it with gears. I run that cam at 11.25 static, 10.0 corrected and 213CCP. First CR cam and it seems that they like compression.

How ya doing Don? Still down in Texas? I'll give them a look. 😎

[djl]

How ya doing Don? Still down in Texas? I'll give them a look. 😎

All good.  Yep, still here;nt going anywhere either.  Not riding as much as I used to; seem to ride a bit less each year.  The summer heat this year limited my riding; I don't ride in 105* temps, pretty unusual even for south Texas summers.  Interesting project you are taking on; I will be following.

[WhipLash96]

How ya doing Don? Still down in Texas? I'll give them a look. 😎

All good.  Yep, still here;nt going anywhere either.  Not riding as much as I used to; seem to ride a bit less each year.  The summer heat this year limited my riding; I don't ride in 105* temps, pretty unusual even for south Texas summers.  Interesting project you are taking on; I will be following.

Bummer that you aren't riding as much. I don't like to ride in 90+ heat. Up here the humidity really sucks in summer. I parked the bikes for the summer. Decided about a month ago to get back in the saddle. Managed 1k.

Good to see you, it's been a while since we have interacted.  Still running the 98" eh? I thought you were riding a 107 all bore build?

[djl]

How ya doing Don? Still down in Texas? I'll give them a look. 😎

All good.  Yep, still here;not going anywhere either.  Not riding as much as I used to; seem to ride a bit less each year.  The summer heat this year limited my riding; I don't ride in 105* temps, pretty unusual even for south Texas summers.  Interesting project you are taking on; I will be following.

Bummer that you aren't riding as much. I don't like to ride in 90+ heat. Up here the humidity really sucks in summer. I parked the bikes for the summer. Decided about a month ago to get back in the saddle. Managed 1k.

Good to see you, it's been a while since we have interacted.  Still running the 98" eh? I thought you were riding a 107 all bore build?

Sold the 02FLHT with the all bore 107" motor about a year back; also sold the BMW R9T so down to the Deuce that I converted from a 95" to a 98" motor about that same time.  The little 98" is making 115/115 numbers and is fun to ride but seems a bit heavier as I get older.  I might just need a lighter bike.

[60Gunner]

How ya doing Don? Still down in Texas? I'll give them a look. 😎

All good.  Yep, still here;not going anywhere either.  Not riding as much as I used to; seem to ride a bit less each year.  The summer heat this year limited my riding; I don't ride in 105* temps, pretty unusual even for south Texas summers.  Interesting project you are taking on; I will be following.

Bummer that you aren't riding as much. I don't like to ride in 90+ heat. Up here the humidity really sucks in summer. I parked the bikes for the summer. Decided about a month ago to get back in the saddle. Managed 1k.

Good to see you, it's been a while since we have interacted.  Still running the 98" eh? I thought you were riding a 107 all bore build?

Sold the 02FLHT with the all bore 107" motor about a year back; also sold the BMW R9T so down to the Deuce that I converted from a 95" to a 98" motor about that same time.  The little 98" is making 115/115 numbers and is fun to ride but seems a bit heavier as I get older.  I might just need a lighter bike.

This 98 build is why I'm running the Pro Streets on my 107 doing 127/126. I detest 2in1s as much as you do. lol They sound like sh!+ and look even worse. Especially on a softail.
Your CR 595s are another good possible cam here for whiplash.
I think staying under .600 lift will still get whip everything out of this build and be easy on his valve train.
Between the T man 590, DM 598, or CR 595, depending on his current compression, one if these 3 cams is the ticket to what he's looking for. Short of doing more headwork to accommodate and make use of higher lift cams and just running his current 110 heads.
I would say Tman 662-2 or CR630i if doing a complete job on another set of heads maybe.
His pistons being above deck is a consideration here.

[WhipLash96]

 

I have been looking at the 630I, TMan 660,the 662 as well. I'm not really interested in having to buy another TB and or injectors if I don't have to. You're right,  I would prefer to stay under or at 600 lift if I can. I'm already rocken with rollers though.

Not sure I want to "correct" the slugs for a 0 deck though.

[FXDBI]

How did the compression test come out?   Bob

[kd]

I have been looking at the 630I, TMan 660,the 662 as well. I'm not really interested in having to buy another TB and or injectors if I don't have to. You're right,  I would prefer to stay under or at 600 lift if I can. I'm already rocken with rollers though.

Not sure I want to "correct" the slugs for a 0 deck though.

If you are pulling the barrels off achieving 0 deck going back together is easy to do. 

[WhipLash96]

I have been looking at the 630I, TMan 660,the 662 as well. I'm not really interested in having to buy another TB and or injectors if I don't have to. You're right,  I would prefer to stay under or at 600 lift if I can. I'm already rocken with rollers though.

Not sure I want to "correct" the slugs for a 0 deck though.

If you are pulling the barrels off achieving 0 deck going back together is easy to do. 

Not if I don't have to.😎

[WhipLash96]

How did the compression test come out?   Bob

I went to go do it but I have to fix the Schrader Valve in my gauge. I don't have a tool to fix that on the ready so I have to get one. Probably won't get back to until tomorrow as I am bringing my seat and back rest pad in to get recovered. Using the remote starter switch works well.😎

[WhipLash96]

My compression gauge is broken! Thought I had it fixed but nope. I borrowed it to a friend as it was working. Got it back, broken. Never Again will I borrow out my tools!

Have a new one on the way though.

[WhipLash96]

Finally got my new compression tester but it was late yesterday.  Today is supposed to be a really nice day so I'm not going to waste it working on the bike. I'm going riding.

I was poking around TMans site more thoroughly and I came across their Pro Elite Touring Kits. From the description, it seems that this kit would be perfect for what my goals are. Only thing is to pick a cam.

I know we have talked a lot about cam in this thread, but it seems to me that if I go this route, I will have to use one of their cams. I would feel crappy if I didn't anyway.

[harpwrench]

What pipe are you running

D&D

Maybe it would like a little smaller baffle. Your cam isn't huge and 140 tq is decent with no more than your heads flow. Without seeing the graph it kinda sounds like you just have a dip that can be fixed or at least improved with exhaust tuning

[Hilly13]

Do you have a graph Whip?

[60Gunner]

Check out this thread. It touches on what I've been saying about overexhausting too.
Note the cams and numbers being suggested and by who.
And note what the OP is going to for pipes with S&S cams and their high exhaust duration...in a 124.

https://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=117359.0

[60Gunner]

I had a video of a 124 with the 590s on the dyno doing 142hp/153Torque but I can't find it atm. Pulls from 2500 to red line. Torque was 120+ at 2500. Pretty good for a cam under .600 lift.

[WhipLash96]

I had a video of a 124 with the 590s on the dyno doing 142hp/153Torque but I can't find it atm. Pulls from 2500 to red line. Torque was 120+ at 2500. Pretty good for a cam under .600 lift.

Let me know if you find it.

[60Gunner]

You'll be good doing what you're doing Whip.

I'm going to leave y'all with this to ponder tho.
154hp/150torque. 125torque @ 2500rpm.
What cam?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php/?id=100063650316552&story_fbid=10156003779882181

[WhipLash96]

You'll be good doing what you're doing Whip.

I'm going to leave y'all with this to ponder tho.
154hp/150torque. 125torque @ 2500rpm.
What cam?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php/?id=100063650316552&story_fbid=10156003779882181

That's gobs of power that's for sure.😎