This really SUCKS!!!!

[Biker72]

Rudy
Yes it has been said by you and others that I adjust the pushrods but I was really leary of doing it because I had never done that before but I pulled out the manual and figured  it's already screwed up.

Monty,
The plate (if I read right) was way advanced from where it is now since I took it to the Indy. In other words the notch was at about 7 o clock now it is at about 6 and according to the Dyna S instructions you turn clockwise to advance and counter to retard.

Mark,
You got it right only thing I worry about is the pipes were in bad shape and if I got alot of crap sagged in there when I welded it it might not be as smooth as it should be. But there again it would have shown up right away.

Bill,
Yes it is a 72 as far as what your talking about with the oiling I don't have a clue. As far as the bearing goes the builder had said that whoever installed the Timken bearing in the case had put it in backwards and it didn't get oiled properly. I thought this was funny because the bottom end had 50k miles on it. The reason he wanted to replace the cases was something to do with the damage done when the Timken bearing locked up. He had to send it out to have it machined and sleeved or pressed or something.
Duke

[Biker72]

Well guys I just got back from a ride about 25-30 miles outside temp. is about 68. When I got home I was just over 250 so it's back to the shop in the morning. The bike ran great and was haulin I even checked the oil when I got back amazingly after running over 300 Friday and 250 today it looks good and doesn't smell burnt or anything. I will update when we find something out.

Thanks to all for the help  Rounds for all
Later
Duke

[catmcaw]

  Duke
   You have more patience than me.  At this point, if it were mine I would be thinking Crate motor about now.   GOOD LUCK

[monty101]

If its a andrews cam I would move it back. My andrews B cam was right on when the peg that holds the points plate was in the middle of the slot. the leinwebber cam has a slightly diff slot in the end of it that the advance weight sides into and because of the diff the plate has to be shifted I believe clockwise which would put the peg near the bottom of the slot when you look at it (that would be the left hand slot in the plate).

I got two scooters and when you static time the one that I put the leinwebber cam in its right on when the peg is tightned down as I've stated. the other scooter has a andrews b cam in it and when you static time it its right on with the plate pegged in the middle of the plate. Its all got to do with the diff in the end of the cams where the advance weights fit. both have t/o 4 5/8 flywheels and they both had andrews b cams before I installed the leinwebber cam in the one I was talking about. When they both had andrews b cams the plates were right on when pegged in the middle of the plate. If your guy static timed it then you should be ok assuming he knows how to static time a scooter. If its too far advanced or too far retarded it will get hot like you are talking about and it will fry the rear piston and  jug if you run it like that.

[HotRodShovel]

One last simple question. Are you feeling this 300 or reading it from the oil temp stick. Was that ever checked for accuracy? Did you shoot a beam into it and get an infrared reading? Cause if you are not feeling the heat, you might just have effed up temp stick.

[MasWolf]

check out a place in statesville, nc by the name of 'good as gold transportation'. the guy's name is vince and he IS good and shovels and older is what he reallys loves to work on.

[Lew]

......does the advance unit work?  If it does, I think I'd be trying a different ignition system.

Lew

[Biker72]

Hey Rudy,
When the bike went over 300 last Friday I was feelin chestnuts roastin. I tested the dipstick in the beginning of all of this in boiling water.

I carried the bike back to the Indy for another try  if he doesn't get it this time I will start looking into the suggestions given here.
Thanks
Duke

[HotRodShovel]

Yeah brother, thats hot.  Good luck again, man. We are all very interested in what is going on here.

[stray]

I didn't read every post carefully so I will just say this:  I have had advance weights rub on the back of the points plate causing a high idle, and to drop it I'd drag the clutch.
Joe

[rbonner]

I didn't read every post carefully so I will just say this:  I have had advance weights rub on the back of the points plate causing a high idle, and to drop it I'd drag the clutch.
Joe

No offense intended Joe, but that's just plain clutch abuse and everybody knows what I think of clutches.

BOB

[stray]

Agreed, Bob, so I fixed it within a day of the discovery!  I mention this because my inspection of the advance assembly revealed nothing, but I happened to see the light rub marks on the back of the points plate when reinstalling.  Then I saw that the advance weight pivot pins had shiny heads.  So while the advance assembly itself may be fine, I now know to check for enough clearance if I encounter the same issue.  I'm now running electronic ignition, but I still like points for side-of-the-road seviceability.
Joe

[rbonner]

Speaking of side of the road.  I have a road pack here that I don't need anymore.  Set of points, condensor and plugs all new and in a baggy for carry in the bags...  Couldn't sell them at the swap meet.

BOB

[Old Crow]

Bob, that's cuz all the ol' farts like us already have our baggies like that and all the young guys on the twinkies don't even know what they're for. 

[76shuvlinoff]

Gonna poke at the gremlins here but after I installed my Dyna 2ki sparker I still carried a roadside kit for a couple years, points and weight assemblies, coil and plugs. Eventually I even quit carrying the plugs.
   The only 2 things that have left me sitting since then was the need of a master link once (which I did have) and the need of a soldering iron once ( I was SOL there). Still have a bundle of tools in the bottom of the bags though.

[rbonner]

HAHAHA, yeah...  I had a few guys at the swap meet pick up the baggy and look at it and say, whats all this stuff for? They recognized the spark plugs.

I did have one "good guy" pick it up and say, yeah I got one of these too, I'd buy another one but I ride a PAN.  The points are different?  I didn't know that.  BUt once the electonic went in the 78 1/2 I didn't need that stuff either; let alone the L79.

OK so while we're all here.  Lets make up a baggy for a TWINKIE and have some fun...  Other than GONGE, as I figure some of you guys would humorously put in your baggy instead of points, condensor and plugs; what can we put in our twinkie baggy to keep us rolling...

I'll start...  A pair of Twinkies to eat and keep your blood sugar up while on the road.

BOB

[Old Crow]

Well, a cell phone and a credit card, of course.

[76shuvlinoff]

This thread is out in the boonies now.

Duke, is the work in progress?  Any findings?

[Biker72]

Haven't heard from the Indy since I took it there. I'm gonna call him this afternoon.

[easyricer]

On the Twinkie baggie...... You know I got a shop....  I have to remove the saddlebags to replace tires on these things so sometimes I get a peek at what's inside......(not that I care what's in there, but those lil doohickies that hold them on like to fall out of the holes so I gotta fish for em)
On Shovels and Pans, I see tools and sometimes a spare part or two.
On Evo's Sometimes a few minor tools but no parts. Clean rags and some oil.
On Twinkies Cleaning rags and pollish! NO tools!
EASY

[Biker72]

Well I just talked to the Indy and he can't find anything wrong. He said he has ridden it and although the gauge reads high the bike is running fine. He said he checked valves, pushrods, timing again. He said the bike doesn't feel over heated but it hasn't been that warm here either. The most he could get from it was 250. He said he doesn't have an infared thermometer but if I could find someplace local that has one I could get it checked out. He is going to put an oil cooler on and see what that does. He did highly recommend that I take the dipstick and throw it as far as I can and go back to a regular one that may be a good idea.
Later
Duke

[HotRodShovel]

There ya go. It has been suggested several times. Listen to the voices. The cooler will help for sure. Best of luck to you. In the long run, IMHO I think you did the right thing by going through the motions. Its smarter than ignoring it or taking bad advice and risking real damage.
Ride on bro.

[76shuvlinoff]

An oil cooler sure won't hurt you either way.  If you like a temp gauge, even though you checked this one in boiling water, try another one.

Mark

[rbonner]

I scratch my head a little.  My orignal shovel, my L79 FXEF-80 ran hot and I'd burn myself on the rear head every so often.  When checking this on my current one, I can't figure out how I managed to burn myself, but it had to be standing up at stops to stretch my legs.  I had no highway pegs on that bike.  The rear rocker box was so F'in hot!  I figured you could light stogies on it.  BUt my second shovel my 74 ich 78 1/2 ran way way much cooler.  It did have a JAGG on it.  My current 93" after the first 25 miles, it was way hot also causing concern, cooled down after a little break-in.  This bike has a stock FXS type add on factory special right out of the 79 accessory parts book, no thermostat.

I've never had a bike run as hot as that first shovel.  I never put a cooler on it in the time I owned it.  The last time I saw that bike at the bar in Minneapolis 15 years ago, didn't talk to the owner...  But the bike had a bazzilion miles on it and looked like a well worn old shoe; so obviously it didn't burn up.

Your 72 is a 74" motor, they just seem to naturally run cooler in my experience.  I would put a cooler on it and see what happens.  If the engine smells hot, it is hot thats the rule of thumb.  Mine doesn't smell after I get off of it.  But it did after those first 25 miles.

I know my cureent bike took a little tweek on the accilerator pump as it was a little lean.  Lean makes bad heat.

BOB

[Biker72]

Well guys I'm a happy camper. Went and picked up the bike rode it back roads at 60 steady for about 30 miles when I hit town I was at 175 degrees went through the redlight to redlight thing for about 8 or 9 lights and got home let the bike idle a minute to tweek the idle and she was still only at 200 degrees it is 87 here today.

I still think the .031 int. jet is too fat 45 mph roll on is boggy so I'm gonna swap back to a .295 tomorrow.

One thing I need to say is that I know it was mentioned several times about the cooler my point in resisting was the fact that the bike never had a cooler before and never got hot therefore I was trying to correct whatever may have been wrong instead of masking it. I wasn't doubting anyone's knowledge.

The Indy seems to think that it could just be that it needs to be run and all of the "crud" burnt off from sitting.

Thanks again for all of the help it is really greatly appreciated now I hope I can return the favor.
Now I gotta get out and ride!!!!!
Later Duke