Hillside 124 dual cam

[TripleT]

hey max--As to why his big inch builds are in the winter months...--that's when folks on the east coast do performance work....when the snow is flying and not when it's riding season. Enjoy that california sunshine partner.

No problem with that as long as the output is corrected for temperature and pressure..

Max

PC, thanks for the word. But, I must speak whats on my mind, I hope I'm not misinterpreting what was wrote concerning newbies? New to this site or may I ask what? Not trying to insue an argument just clarification. I believe that when you post SAE that Actual should also be mandatory, this will show what the bike is doing that particular day and take into account the correction which as you can see with my build is significant. Also, the guys at dynojet states "win7 does not add or sub hp/tq"  I'm not sure who said the particular shop updated with win7? it wasn't me. I know my bike rocks, I do hope this thread help anyone that has the desire to build a 124 for performance. I appreciate all the knowledge and suggestions everyone has shared.

[Hillside Motorcycle]

Triple T,
We are delighted to have done this premier build with you.
Did I hear something about dyno shoot-outs, in/around your area this summer???
They may just as well, hand over the money/trophys when you show up, and save wear/tear on their dyno's. hehe
Scott

[TripleT]

ha-ha, thanks Scott, I will be entering some that's a guarantee

[mayor]

I hope I'm not misinterpreting what was wrote concerning newbies? New to this site or may I ask what? Not trying to insue an argument just clarification.

I think what was being referred to was folks that are new to being HD engine performance enthusiasts. 

I believe that when you post SAE that Actual should also be mandatory, this will show what the bike is doing that particular day and take into account the correction which as you can see with my build is significant.

So why do you think the "actual" should be mandatory?     and why exactly do you think posting the level of correction is relevent?

The "actual" is just an uncorrected number which means nothing as far as comparisons go. Don't believe me- take that bike and run it on a dyno in Denver, then see if your "actual" is the same.  I'm pretty sure there will not be a rule that requires "actual" readings since posting sheets in "actual" does nothing more than confuse the "new" engine enthusiasts.   The problem comes in that most "new" enthusiasts do not know that the correction factors even exist, let alone what those corrections are for.   

[TripleT]

I believe it would help to educate new enthusiast, when I started i was under the impression that HP was the number relevant to any day anywhere in the country. Well, after becoming somewhat educated I learned that temperature, humidity, pressure controlled environments utilizing SAE will most always produce the same numbers anywhere. But, its always nice to compare how much power you are really making on that specific day due to the temp, hum, and pressure. In that case, uncorrected power readings would be beneficial to anyone even us older guys. Also, I think it helps to make STD, EEC, DIN, SAE legitmate. Personally Mayor, I think hp will always be in question no matter what build or who tunes, especially when big power is involved. I appreciate you question. 

[mayor]

Personally Mayor, I think hp will always be in question no matter what build or who tunes, especially when big power is involved.

yep, I agree completely.   

[pwmorris]

Triple T-
Wow...
Torque dip or not-
I have had three versions of the 124's, a 131, and now a G2 126 on the street and these numbers are much stronger than two of the previous 124 versions I ran, and nastier than my G2 126 when I got it from them with it's 4.375 bore-4.187 stroke... You said dyno shootout's this year? Cool-How bout' a pass down the track?
All I can say is, damn-absolutely incredible.

[partycrasher]

 

[1FSTRK]

Does that say 155hp and 152tq SAE?

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[TripleT]

Does that say 155hp and 152tq SAE?

Yes it does, my scanner is a little old but functional like me  PW, thanks for the input, perhaps that could be a possibility, moving in a few weeks, will search around my new area for a strip. 

[rob71458]

There may be a "Dip", but it is still above 120ft/lbs., at that point. I think I could live with that.

[1FSTRK]

I don’t understand all the fuss. You have the SAE sheets you demanded and until winpep7 came out everyone accept the old software as good numbers. If there is a difference it’s not 10 or 15 HP. You have a hybrid motor with flowed heads, 62mm intake, 11.7 to 1 compression, .640 lift cams with 265 degrees of intake duration, hybrid 2 into 1 straight thru exhaust built by a well known professional builder and at least two days of dyno tuning making 1.25 hp per cubic inch. I have seen 124 S&S crate motors touch 150hp with good open exhaust, a carb and good tuning. It’s not like some new guy posted this saying it was his first bike and he built the motor in his garage and it gets 50 MPG on 2000 mile trips cross country in a 800lb bagger and will pass epa and last 100,000 miles. I have been to a few of the Dayton horsepower shootouts and they make 1.4-1.5 HP per cube with street legal shootout bikes and have been for ten years. It sounds like a lot of soar grapes; I supported the SAE dyno posts because that helps all but now you find some new little things to pick apart. Some of you go on like it was 186hp and that is 1.5 per.
Why not just say GREAT JOB GUYS looks like one fun ride, or mail Scott a check and he will ship you some proof that you can ride yourself

[fatboi1959]

rob71458,
I couldn't have said it better :up:That's a dip i could get used to

[mayor]

I don’t understand all the fuss.

I think the fuss comes in when the numbers become flaunted and hyped.    Anyone who's been around a while can see that the sheets generally reported from that drum are well above a statistical norm.  I have to agree with ejk on reply #99, I don't ever remember seeing any of the high flyers coming off of that tuners drum verified on another dyno.  Not one in all the years I've been involved with forums. That just seems odd to me, and apparently it's noticeable to other folks as well.  I think the ratio of 1.25:1 hp/ci's coming off of that drum far exceeds a statistical probability ratio from other sources, which further adds to the fuss.  The easiest way to calm the fuss down is post a sheet from the same engine from another shop in SAE that is with-in the margin of error for a 250i dyno.  I think as soon as this is done, there will be plenty of folks willing to eat a little crow...and as ejk said, bow at the alter of Joe. 

[Don D]

"Great Job Guys"
I am sure this bike rips but please read this

http://books.google.com/books?id=aSKzZIqCk54C&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=dynojet+150+VS+250+I+numbers&source=bl&ots=P381EOsmtq&sig=yAoC5v7k3pQxDNnPRjsfRkeqqLg&hl=en&ei=G1eLTemyGZSksQPfoPmhCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

for an explanation of why some may be calling foul

[mayor]

I've read that book a couple of times. 

[JDILLY]

I have seen this weapon in action, and now it is going to be a bigger Jap killer. If you ride a Rice Rocket, May God have mercy on your soul when this thing pulls up next to you. I love to see semi-grown men cry LOL haha.
Tracy's friend Buddy

[bulldog]

Joe's dyno has always been over 10-15 compared to others. He might be a great tuner but his #'s are inflated. END OF STORY!!!!!

[partycrasher]

BULLDOG--post your comparison dyno sheets from joes dyno and others so we can see for our selves. Forgive us if we just don't take your word for it. And--are saying SAE is over, or just uncorrected?

[mayor]

BULLDOG--post your comparison dyno sheets from joes dyno and others so we can see for our selves. Forgive us if we just don't take your word for it.

I have to give credit where credit is due, well played.   

[partycrasher]

Mayor--Thank you.

[Admiral Akbar]

I've read that book a couple of times. 

Did you have fun marking all the errors..

I'm still looking for some 25KV diodes..    Max

[Hillside Motorcycle]

I don’t understand all the fuss. You have the SAE sheets you demanded and until winpep7 came out everyone accept the old software as good numbers. If there is a difference it’s not 10 or 15 HP. You have a hybrid motor with flowed heads, 62mm intake, 11.7 to 1 compression, .640 lift cams with 265 degrees of intake duration, hybrid 2 into 1 straight thru exhaust built by a well known professional builder and at least two days of dyno tuning making 1.25 hp per cubic inch. I have seen 124 S&S crate motors touch 150hp with good open exhaust, a carb and good tuning. It’s not like some new guy posted this saying it was his first bike and he built the motor in his garage and it gets 50 MPG on 2000 mile trips cross country in a 800lb bagger and will pass epa and last 100,000 miles. I have been to a few of the Dayton horsepower shootouts and they make 1.4-1.5 HP per cube with street legal shootout bikes and have been for ten years. It sounds like a lot of soar grapes; I supported the SAE dyno posts because that helps all but now you find some new little things to pick apart. Some of you go on like it was 186hp and that is 1.5 per.
Why not just say GREAT JOB GUYS looks like one fun ride, or mail Scott a check and he will ship you some proof that you can ride yourself

Thanks for the kind words.
We've have built carbed 124" Evo/S&S D 2/Tjets/.715 Red shift/Cycle Shack 2" staggered duals, our heads, and ripped damn near those numbers here, on our Dynojet 150, almost 10 years ago. We called it the ICBM Bike.
Yes, right side of the chart biased, as well.
That was in a Dyna, with a 4" longer aluminum swingarm.
152/155 SAE, from Triple T's is in/about where you'd suspect this to land, all things considered.
Not hard to fathom that whatsoever.
Scott

[TripleT]

Joe's dyno has always been over 10-15 compared to others. He might be a great tuner but his #'s are inflated. END OF STORY!!!!!

Its pretty dissappointing to read some of these post, especially if we are all supposed to have the same interest in obtaining and maintaining quality builds and numbers. Nice to see my non biased friend who witnessed this bike run last yr, wait until he experiences it this year.

It seems everyone wants to see different numbers from a different tuner, let me answer that question. I have no problems and will do that when I can find a tuner of equal capability with the excellence joe has demonstrated for years. One that I don't have to take a high mileage road trip to see, one that handles my bike like they own it, one I can leave it at his personal storage without any worries, one that treats all their customers with respect, one that will let me pull my own runs, kinda cancels out the throttle cheating theory, one that allows me to witness his skill at work, one that will get everything out of a bike, no matter how many pulls it takes, just to name a few. I live in upstate NY, any suggestions are welcome please.

[mayor]

It seems everyone wants to see different numbers from a different tuner, let me answer that question. I have no problems and will do that when I can find a tuner of equal capability with the excellence joe has demonstrated for years.

if the bike's already tuned, what relevance does the capability of the tuner at another shop have?      All your looking to do is verify the results you already published right?  Your tune isn't going to change once you leave Joe's shop.    Post  the county you live in, and I'm sure someone can point to a dyno nearby to confirm your results without you having to travel too far.   how far are you willing to travel?

Its pretty dissappointing to read some of these post, especially if we are all supposed to have the same interest in obtaining and maintaining quality builds and numbers.

I'm probably way off base here, but I would think a quality build would be one that puts up consistant numbers no matter what dyno is measuring the output.     so, if anything having the run verified elsewhere should make you feel better about the quality of the build ....and the numbers.