Cam Plate Feuling or SE

[gregfxs]

02 FLSTC with gear drives, looking to upgrade pump maybe don't need to change plate. Been reading the new plates don't have bushings, also read alot of controversy pro's and con's. question is should I just put a new pump or should I do both, and which ones are preferable Feuling or SE.

[Bigs]

I just used my stock cam plate and put on a Feuling oil pump on a '06 with gear drive cams. Plenty of pressure and no problems.
   Bigs

[Don D]

STOCK PLATE
Stock oil pump if it is good. If the pump needs to be replaced then we move to another plan.

[Blazing Saddles]

Scott: And if you are replacing the oil pump, which cam plate and oil pump do you recommend.

Blazin'

[Tbones]

Does anyone know where I can get a reamer for the camplate bushing?  JIMS doesn't make one and I haven't been able to find anyone that does.  Anybody?

[Hillside Motorcycle]

Scott: And if you are replacing the oil pump, which cam plate and oil pump do you recommend.

Blazin'

We just stay with the OE.
Never have/had any issues with those.
Can't say that, about the other stuff out there.
Scott

[ΚĜΗΟŜΤ]

Just my opinion..........

I went with the R&R billet cam plate and newer HD '07 and up oil pump.

R&R bilit cam plate, 99-06 twin cam for use with newer style 07 and up HD oil pump # 26037-06 and only gear drive cams. Includes can bearing support plate

Part # 13-1002

[aharp]

I just fixed up a 95" mess and installed the fueling pump and plate. It was so awesome at pumping oil that i had to drain 20 oz from the crankcase. Not the first time ive had that problem with those pumps. Back in with the stock parts. Problem solved.

[Tbones]

I just fixed up a 95" mess and installed the fueling pump and plate. It was so awesome at pumping oil that i had to drain 20 oz from the crankcase. Not the first time ive had that problem with those pumps. Back in with the stock parts. Problem solved.

20 oz!!!  Holy smokes, that ain't good.  What caused the wet sumping, was you able to figure it out besides going back to the stock parts?  I would think with both the Fueling plate and pump it would have been just the opposite.  I was just thinking about getting a Fueling plate so I'm curious as to what happened with yours before I decide to flop down the money.  Thanks.

[KingofCubes]

Just my opinion..........

I went with the R&R billet cam plate and newer HD '07 and up oil pump.

R&R bilit cam plate, 99-06 twin cam for use with newer style 07 and up HD oil pump # 26037-06 and only gear drive cams. Includes can bearing support plate

Part # 13-1002

They now have a #13-1003 internal plate for hydraulic chain.

[POORBOY]

Just my opinion..........

I went with the R&R billet cam plate and newer HD '07 and up oil pump.

R&R bilit cam plate, 99-06 twin cam for use with newer style 07 and up HD oil pump # 26037-06 and only gear drive cams. Includes can bearing support plate

Part # 13-1002

They now have a #13-1003 internal plate for hydraulic chain.

Just installed one  nice pc

[TA63]

Will gear drives work with an 06 and up new style cam plate?

[02FYRFTR]

Will gear drives work with an 06 and up new style cam plate?

yes but you will have to use block off plates over the oil feeds for the tensioners.  they are available from S&S and also Andrews.

[rbabos]

I just fixed up a 95" mess and installed the fueling pump and plate. It was so awesome at pumping oil that i had to drain 20 oz from the crankcase. Not the first time ive had that problem with those pumps. Back in with the stock parts. Problem solved.

Any reason why they can't get the return side to work as well, so it evens out? Scavange side is twice of what the feed side is. I don't understand why this problem occurs.
Ron

[aharp]

I just fixed up a 95" mess and installed the fueling pump and plate. It was so awesome at pumping oil that i had to drain 20 oz from the crankcase. Not the first time ive had that problem with those pumps. Back in with the stock parts. Problem solved.

Any reason why they can't get the return side to work as well, so it evens out? Scavange side is twice of what the feed side is. I don't understand why this problem occurs.
Ron

I dont either Ron. My gut was telling me to talk the guy out of it because of my past experiences with them but he wanted them.

[rbabos]

I just fixed up a 95" mess and installed the fueling pump and plate. It was so awesome at pumping oil that i had to drain 20 oz from the crankcase. Not the first time ive had that problem with those pumps. Back in with the stock parts. Problem solved.

Any reason why they can't get the return side to work as well, so it evens out? Scavange side is twice of what the feed side is. I don't understand why this problem occurs.
Ron

I dont either Ron. My gut was telling me to talk the guy out of it because of my past experiences with them but he wanted them.

Oh well. It's good to know things like this can jump up and bite you, whatever the cause is. No wave spring on these either, so not likely going into my softail any time soon.
Ron

[TA63]

Just my opinion..........

I went with the R&R billet cam plate and newer HD '07 and up oil pump.

R&R bilit cam plate, 99-06 twin cam for use with newer style 07 and up HD oil pump # 26037-06 and only gear drive cams. Includes can bearing support plate

Part # 13-1002

On their sight it says mods are required to run gear driven cams other than theirs.  Anyone know exactly what those mods are?

[Bigs]

I should have added to my post above that I have a HD oil cooler and once the Feuling pump was installed it ran about 20 deg. lower oil temperature.
   Bigs

[Admiral Akbar]

I should have added to my post above that I have a HD oil cooler and once the Feuling pump was installed it ran about 20 deg. lower oil temperature.
   Bigs

Yeah but it not cuz of the pressure..

Max

[superglidesport1]

I should have added to my post above that I have a HD oil cooler and once the Feuling pump was installed it ran about 20 deg. lower oil temperature.
   Bigs

More oil volume moving through the engine and better scavenging of the crankcase. This removes more heat from the engine.

[Admiral Akbar]

This removes more heat from the engine.

Bet it don't.  The more volume and better scavenging get the oil through the motor faster so it has lass chance to pick up the heat.. If it removed more heat from the engine, wouldn't the oil be hotter?? (then the motor would be cooler..  ) After all it don't reduce the amount of heat the motor creates. 

Max

[superglidesport1]

This removes more heat from the engine.

Bet it don't.  The more volume and better scavenging get the oil through the motor faster so it has lass chance to pick up the heat.. If it removed more heat from the engine, wouldn't the oil be hotter?? (then the motor would be cooler..  ) After all it don't reduce the amount of heat the motor creates. 

Max

There are different ways to imagine the process but if you actually measure the temperature of the oil being returned to the tank you'd find that it's significantly hotter than the supply side. The tank radiates heat effectively cooling the oil going back on the supply side (heat transfer). It's difficult to measure this on Touring and Dyna models due to the integral oil tank / pan but on a bike with a remote tank you can actually determine return VS supply by touching the oil lines and feeling the temperature variance. The return side is noticeably hotter and supply side cooler. Oil tank flow or in the case of the oil pan, the baffles, restrict and direct flow and actually keep the oil in the tank long enough to shed some heat before being returned to the engine. I've checked return and supply temps using a digital thermocouple on hot days and have measured temperature variances of up to 50 degree F. Adding an oil cooler adds more volume and does a better job of radiating heat.

Important: Improved scavenging of the crankcase assists cooling by reducing the friction and workload generated by running the flywheels in an oil bath.

[superglidesport1]

I should have added to my post above that I have a HD oil cooler and once the Feuling pump was installed it ran about 20 deg. lower oil temperature.
   Bigs

Yeah but it not cuz of the pressure..

Max

OK. Why don't you explain?

[superglidesport1]

This removes more heat from the engine.

Bet it don't.  The more volume and better scavenging get the oil through the motor faster so it has lass chance to pick up the heat.. If it removed more heat from the engine, wouldn't the oil be hotter?? (then the motor would be cooler..  ) After all it don't reduce the amount of heat the motor creates. 

Max

You're getting close but didn't consider a couple of other important aspects on this subject. Are you asking, sharing or just being argumentative??

[Admiral Akbar]

You're getting close but didn't consider a couple of other important aspects on this subject. Are you asking, sharing or just being argumentative??

Which aspects are those are those?  Not argumentative but getting the discussion going.. 

There are different ways to imagine the process

This would be better written' as "There are different ways to analyze the process"  It you want to figure out what is really going on you need to analyze and test..

Draw a box around any part of the system and look for heat sources and heat dumps. Energy that flow into the box will equal energy flowing out once the temperature is stable..

I should have added to my post above that I have a HD oil cooler and once the Feuling pump was installed it ran about 20 deg. lower oil temperature.
   Bigs

Yeah but it not cuz of the pressure..
Max

OK. Why don't you explain?

I thought I said it here..

The more volume and better scavenging gets the oil through the motor faster so it has lass chance to pick up the heat.

There are different ways to imagine the process but if you actually measure the temperature of the oil being returned to the tank you'd find that it's significantly hotter than the supply side.

I would certainly hope so. I'm not sure where this is going.. What points are trying to be made.. Part of the purpose of the oil tank is to radiate heat.. Not sure you need to prove it.. But that is OK.. I guess you need to make sure that the oil stays in the tank long enough to radiate the heat but we were talking about oil flow in the motor..

restrict and direct flow

Bad choice of words here.. You don't want an oil tank restricting flow on the feed side..

Important: Improved scavenging of the crankcase assists cooling by reducing the friction and workload generated by running the flywheels in an oil bath.

Absolutely.. Also the less time oil stays in the motor, (it won't get whipped up in the cam case) the less chance of it absorbing heat.

Max