Thundermax help...103 hot start issue

[103phatboy07]

So heres my issue that I am hoping a T-max tuning guru may be able to help squeeze a little more help for my hot starts before I can rectify the situation with some comp releases. If not I am positive my starter wont make an upcoming trip.

I have the stage 2 103 with 255 cams. High flow air cleaner, and vance and hines big shots staggered. All tuned with a Thundermax in an 07 softail. No comp realeases. 91 octane or higher used.
This thing pours out the heat when idling and has hot start issues (and I am cooler weather). Is there any possible way to help tune this out? I am stuck and am leaving on a trip with the bike in a week. New battery, timing on the map is low on start up. My cranking fuel is set at 8 and fuel pulse at 245%.
T-max support has been so-so and I am all out of ideas and in a bind. I am using map 720 or 721 (which ever one is not the 2-1 pipe map). The cranking and fuel pulse is all I have touched as per T-max support. They are a little slow on the draw and I am leaving on a trip soon that will tax the bike in hot weather. ANY help is appreciated. I DO NOT have easy access to a dyno unfortunatley. (and wouldnt trust there tunes regardless)

[Admiral Akbar]

Is it kicking back or just not lighting off..

Not sure what softails use for starter cables but stock baggers suck..
Max

[103phatboy07]

It turnjs over a couple times then sounds like it stops for a split second and kicks back. usually get it on the second go around but it is defiantely not good for the starter.

[Admiral Akbar]

I'd go for heavier cables.. If not try a newer battery if original seeing as how you are about to start a trip and it's possibly the easiest fix. You could try advancing the timing a couple down low should help it catch but it could backfire on you..

Max

[hdxbones]

I looked at my old 103", 255 map, the timing was 17* in the idle / low MAP areas

[Admiral Akbar]

I looked at my old 103", 255 map, the timing was 17* in the idle / low MAP areas

Don't you mean.. "low TPS areas" For starting you need to look at low tps and RPM below idle.. The 720 map has 12 at 512, 17 @1280 which may OK .. but 0 and 256 only have 2 deg.. I run 8-9 deg at 0 and 256 on a 10.8 to 1 95 ci bagger.. Starts easy hot or cold without releases but does have travel limiters which I'm sure helps..

Max

[7hogs]

On hot days force of habit I always tap my starter button once.

[hdxbones]

Don't you mean.. "low TPS areas" For starting you need to look at low tps and RPM below idle.. The 720 map has 12 at 512, 17 @1280 which may OK .. but 0 and 256 only have 2 deg.. I run 8-9 deg at 0 and 256 on a 10.8 to 1 95 ci bagger.. Starts easy hot or cold without releases but does have travel limiters which I'm sure helps..

Max

No, I meant MAP. I had told him in a thread in the tuning section that I had run these cams with no starting issues. I had a SERT instead of the T-Max, however. The 17* were intended as a point of reference or comparison-

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[7hogs]

I looked at my old 103", 255 map, the timing was 17* in the idle / low MAP areas

Don't you mean.. "low TPS areas" For starting you need to look at low tps and RPM below idle.. The 720 map has 12 at 512, 17 @1280 which may OK .. but 0 and 256 only have 2 deg.. I run 8-9 deg at 0 and 256 on a 10.8 to 1 95 ci bagger.. Starts easy hot or cold without releases but does have travel limiters which I'm sure helps..

Max

Max, would you suggest travel limiters on my 117"? I have a set sitting in my tool box.

[Eleft36]

New topic from here.
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,40662.msg420684.html

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same issue, will tuning cure it?
Al

[Admiral Akbar]

Max, would you suggest travel limiters on my 117"? I have a set sitting in my tool box.

If you have hot start issues,definitely.. You can also just back the pushrod off 1/2 to 1 turn from bottomed.

No, I meant MAP. I had told him in a thread in the tuning section that I had run these cams with no starting issues. I had a SERT instead of the T-Max, however. The 17* were intended as a point of reference or comparison-

Not sure it's a good reference as the motor is most likely running when that number is used.. Might help a little tho. If the motor fires once and wheels have some momentum, a little more timing increases the chance of the fire lighting on the next compression stroke. 

Max