Why so much dislike for Woods Cams?

[pikeslayer]

Hmmm... mine's got the graphics printed on - no patches.  A little "busy" graphically, but cool IMHO  - and I'm not one for wearing logos.  Just sayin'.

You sure it's not an iron-on?  I'd wear it if it wasn't an iron-on.

[Hillside Motorcycle]

Yeah, but you don't get a cool T shirt with the se cams..
Max

Jeez!  That thing is still in my dresser drawer.  Never worn.  I'd use it as a shop towel, but those iron  on patches aren't very absorbent.

.............now the free t-shirts have issues?

[Dan]

You have the SE255's why not use them? Check out some of the 103 builds in the dyno section that use the 255's. With head work they are quite impressive for a bagger build. Dewey (Don Dorfman) has a pretty good formula for setting up heads with this cam. A good tune is an absolute must to get the most out of it.

[trex]

We've used them almost exclusively since the mid-1990's.
Folks howl about noise with them, as well as pricing.
If the lifters are set at .140-.150", and geardrives/pressure shim, or spring, are used on the pre-hydraulic set-ups, then they are pretty darn quiet, for the most part.
As far as the pricing, they are more, but with limited production runs, pricing needs to be established for the correct margin.
Scott

Scott, exactly what is meant when you say the lifters set at .140-.150?

[04 SE Deuce]

We've used them almost exclusively since the mid-1990's.
Folks howl about noise with them, as well as pricing.
If the lifters are set at .140-.150", and geardrives/pressure shim, or spring, are used on the pre-hydraulic set-ups, then they are pretty darn quiet, for the most part.
As far as the pricing, they are more, but with limited production runs, pricing needs to be established for the correct margin.
Scott

Scott, exactly what is meant when you say the lifters set at .140-.150?

  Adjustment from zero lash into lifter plunger travel.

[Hillside Motorcycle]

We've used them almost exclusively since the mid-1990's.
Folks howl about noise with them, as well as pricing.
If the lifters are set at .140-.150", and geardrives/pressure shim, or spring, are used on the pre-hydraulic set-ups, then they are pretty darn quiet, for the most part.
As far as the pricing, they are more, but with limited production runs, pricing needs to be established for the correct margin.
Scott

Scott, exactly what is meant when you say the lifters set at .140-.150?

Pushrod thread per inch, will dictate the number of turns that you'll want to load the lifter.
Give us a call at the shop, and we can tell you spot-on where you'll want to land.
Scott

[trex]

Will do that Scott. I'm running Smith Bro. pushrods. 32 per in.

[Don D]

Give him a call if you like but here is the data
.140= 4.48 turns (4 1/2)
.150= 4.8 turns (4 3/4)
each turn = .03125"

[trex]

Give him a call if you like but here is the data
.140= 4.48 turns (4 1/2)
.150= 4.8 turns (4 3/4)
each turn = .03125"

3 full turns plus one flat (6 flats = 1 full
turn so you need a total of 19 flats). Thanks Deweysheads. The 19 flats is what I got from the Smith Bros. install instructions and that is what they are at now. So with my Wood TW8G I can go 4.48-4.8 turns and be cool?

[trex]

27 flats, is that correct Scott?

[Admiral Akbar]

Not Scott but you are correct.. I'll run then lifters down til the don't come loose then back off til the pressure lightens up then go one more turn.. Works from the other end of the lifter travel.. Less flats to count that way..

Max

[Topend]

Got my bike up running again and still have the 97cu in with Woods 5G cams. I like the 5g cam for me, power is always on tap, pulls hard, great passing etc.. I don't do alot of drag racing now days just get up to speed fast but do like to twist the right hand when I get a chance. Gas milage a couple weeks ago was 44.5 average and I only have 260 miles on the new topend. I did go with the HD B lifters vs the Woods lifters I had and must say the HD lifters are much quieter.

[hd06myway]

I have to laugh how much time and energy is spent discussing different brands of parts for Harley's, cams, oil, you name it.  Do really think there's any significant diff. in one brand cam to another???  They all use the same materials, mfg'd the same, even the designs, hell Andrews designs 90%+ all cam designs anyway... no matter who's name goes on the box their sold in... I wouldn't have any problem putting ANY one's cam in my bike as long as it was the cam I wanted spec. wise... why anyone would take one cam out and put another in that has the same performance profile as the one they took out is just plain crazy... now if your changing cams because your looking for a different profile, or because you did more engine work, heads for example, yea, makes sense.

Remember people, it's all the same stuff just wrapped up in different packaging.... 

[N456SK]

So Topend, you say the HD lifters are quieter than the woods? Actually I have a set of woods in mine and they are kinda noisy...
Steve

[coastie56]

I hear iron on logos tend to rustle when worn under a leather vest. I have about 46 patches sewn on and went with nylon thread wich protrudes internaly about 1-2 thousanths. Max, would you go with a Bobby Woods t-shirt with my set up? Or will it be too noisy and cost to much?

[Admiral Akbar]

I hear iron on logos tend to rustle when worn under a leather vest. I have about 46 patches sewn on and went with nylon thread wich protrudes internaly about 1-2 thousanths. Max, would you go with a Bobby Woods t-shirt with my set up? Or will it be too noisy and cost to much?

Well under that jacket, I'd doubt you'd hear anything..    If it comes with a cam, it will be too expensive..for a t shirt..   Max

[baker]

Ya got a point HD06myway, it is all about the cam specs and the often over looked LSA ( or at least never mentioned) I always look to see what the lobe separation angle of a cam is along with the valve closing , its a good indicator as to where the cam is going to lay the power down at, myself I prefer se and Andrews cams, but then again I enjoy reading the cam discussions the most.
My big problem is with those darn iron on patches, I cant get em hot enough to stick to the cams!! Am I doing something wrong..

[Hillside Motorcycle]

When trying to cover up some old tattoos I have, those iron-ons burnt me......

[trex]

Since the videos I've watched and the Smith Bros. instructions  recommend setting the pushrods at .100 or 1/2 the travel what keeps the lifters adjusted at .140-.150 from pumping up and making the pushrod too long and having valve to valve or valve to piston interferance? Hope that isn't a stupid question but before I adj. them to .140-.150 I want to undrestand that part better. Thanks

[Admiral Akbar]

pushrod too long and having valve to valve or valve to piston interferance?

The rev limiter..

Max

[turboprop]

.......and the anti pump-up features designed into the lifters.

[Admiral Akbar]

.......and the anti pump-up features designed into the lifters.

Do stock lifters have that?

Max

[fatboi1959]

TREX,
After the lifters are adjusted to .140-.150 and you let them bleed down untill you can turn the pushrods freely, the oil pressure can only keep the pushrod tight within the remaining lifters travel. As the engine warms up and expands the piston in the lifter rises to keep the slack out of the pushrod. There's no way the lifter can develop enough push to overcome those badboy valve springs.

[trex]

Thanks guys, so I feel better about it now. So it is basically oil pressure and I don't need to worry about interferance.

[Topend]

So Topend, you say the HD lifters are quieter than the woods? Actually I have a set of woods in mine and they are kinda noisy...
Steve

SteveK, In my case the Woods lifters made a lot more noise. They take a long time to pump up and just more noise period in my case. I have a Feuling Superpump and good oil psi. I tried adjusting the pushrods lower in the hole and it helped but still clattered to much in my opinion. This recent rebuild was by an Indy and he had the same results after playing with the adjustment etc.. He advised me to go with stock HD lifters (I am not sure if they are B or C lifters) but the sound is much better than the Woods lifters. They are quieter than my old Feuling lifters with the SE 211 cam build I had a few years ago. I didn't hear the 2500 rpm rattle sound but then again I only have 260 miles and I had a face shield on my helmet and a pull over face mask under the helmet at the time. We will see after I have some miles on this build but so far I am very happy with the sound.