Amsoil vs HD SE synthetic

[gbalmer]

Hi everyone,

This is my first post and would sure like some input.  Just bought a new Ultra and am approaching the 1K service.  A fellow Harley rider highly recommended Amsoil.  I checked with the dealer and they said that it would not void the warranty but that I would have to bring it myself as they do not stock it.  I have always used the SE oil and have never had any issues.  This friend said his bike runs a lot cooler and shifts quieter.  Any thoughts?

Thanks!

[sfmichael]

prob can't go wrong either way
Amsoil is good stuff

[War Horse]

OK its been raining all day and........ I feel the Amsoil is good stuff for the engine, got to pricey for me tho, now buy Mobil One V-Twin by the case from Amazon. For the tranny, I feel it (Amsoil) breaks down to quickly and am considering other options at this point, allot of speculation in here as to whats best, and it really depends on your bike, area, riding style , heat etc.

Stick with any approved oils and keep trying them until you find out what floats yer boat. 

[mkd]

amsoil is good but harder to find than mobil 1 v twin.either one in my opinion is better than syn 3 for the motor.i use spectro platinum 6 speed in the trans and spectro heavy duty chaincase oil in the primary of both bikes.

[Ohio HD]

OK its been raining all day and........ I feel the Amsoil is good stuff for the engine, got to pricey for me tho, now buy Mobil One V-Twin by the case from Amazon. For the tranny, I feel it (Amsoil) breaks down to quickly and am considering other options at this point, allot of speculation in here as to whats best, and it really depends on your bike, area, riding style , heat etc.

Stick with any approved oils and keep trying them until you find out what floats yer boat. 

I like the Mobile 1 V-Twin as well, check out O'reilly Auto parts some time. Price is $10.99 normally, when I can catch it on sale, $9.25, I'll stock up.

[War Horse]

Ohio, I just ordered a case of M1 V-Twin through Amazon (6 per case) at $60.00 with free shipping.

[Ohio HD]

That's not bad when you get the shipping thrown in. May have to look at Amazon, as O'reilly doesn't go on sale very often, and I like the oil.

[War Horse]

You just have to mark the free shipping column when checking out. Its ground 4 to 8 days and I wasnt in a hurry. 

[Ohio HD]

You just have to mark the free shipping column when checking out. Its ground 4 to 8 days and I wasnt in a hurry. 

Cool, thanks for the tip. I have enough for a couple of oil changes right now, but will order some when I do the next change, and use up a few.

[wakedl]

My understanding is the V-Twin oil is for bikes that share motor and clutch oil - think metrics & clutch slip.  Harleys dont do that so the reg Mobil 1 15w50 is what I use - $26 per 5 quart jug aval at walmart.

[Ohio HD]

I've used the 15W50 as well, it's good oil, I just think the V-twin holds up better, motor sounds quieter and tighter.

[gbalmer]

Thanks for all the input!  I just didn't want to do any harm to a new bike!

[dakota224]

This stuff is really good also  http://www.amazon.com/Valvoline-679082-Synthetic-Racing-Formula/dp/B002ZSM2EM/ref=sr_1_32?ie=UTF8&qid=1342056431&sr=8-32&keywords=motorcycle+20w50+oil

[Bolo Ocho]

All right, an oil thread  . I was just contemplating posting something about oil, Syn 3 vs HD 360 vs VR1 valvoline dead dino, actually, although I'll gleefully weigh in on Mobil 1  . About the HD oils vs VR1- just got a "courtesy" oil change at the dealership- asked for HD 360 so I could try, have tried the Syn 3 in the past. With the HD oils, there are always some air bubbles on the dipstick; never have seen the bubbles with the VR1, nor with the Torco the OL uses ( she can afford the good stuff  ): me no like the bubbles- speaks of cavitation ( OK, probably spent too much time reading threads at Bob is the Oil Guy) and inferior base stocks  . Mobil 1, ain't tried in my HD, but my Vulcan did not like it, quieter with Rotella T6 in the winter and any good HDEO in the summer; wrench at Kawa dealership didn't like the Mobil either,  on the T6 from him. Amway oil, rather spend that kind of green on Torco. But my Twinky is quieter with the VR1 dead dino, in fact goin' go get some on 'morrow and dump the HD stuff 

[Bolo Ocho]

This stuff is really good also  http://www.amazon.com/Valvoline-679082-Synthetic-Racing-Formula/dp/B002ZSM2EM/ref=sr_1_32?ie=UTF8&qid=1342056431&sr=8-32&keywords=motorcycle+20w50+oil

Yeah, it is dang good stuff, cool blue color too- it's only $8.49 a quart at the O'Rielly's by my house- bit more than Amazon after tax- but convenient ( Dino is only $5.99, and they make it in 50&60 weights for really hot weather )

[Sonny S.]

>>>For the tranny, I feel it (Amsoil) breaks down to quickly <<<

Based on ??
I use the 75/110 and have had no problems.   

[hogpipes1]

Hi everyone,

This is my first post and would sure like some input.  Just bought a new Ultra and am approaching the 1K service.  A fellow Harley rider highly recommended Amsoil.  I checked with the dealer and they said that it would not void the warranty but that I would have to bring it myself as they do not stock it.  I have always used the SE oil and have never had any issues.  This friend said his bike runs a lot cooler and shifts quieter.  Any thought       Your Friend

[Golfman]

Crankcase - Mobil 1 V-Twin 20-50
Trans. - Redline V-Twin Trans. oil or Redline Shockproof Heavy
Primary - H-D Formula Plus

[Nebraskarider1]

I know the syn3 isn't popular here but I just got a report back from Blackstone on my last oil change with 5500 miles on it and it was holding up very well, they told me they wouldn't be afraid to go 7500 based on how it tested at 5500. I doubt I'll do that but its good to know how it is holding up in the summer heat. If anyone is interested in the test results I can post them if I can figure out how to get my info off the pdf file since I don't have a full version of adobe.

[codyshop]

Unless things have changed, all HD lubricants are made by Citco which is a Venezuelan (Hugo Chavez) owned conglomerate.   You're basically sending money to that Commie POS.

[Bolo Ocho]

Decided changing the oil was better than sitting on me arse, went to O'Rielly's, raised price on synthetic VR1 to $9.29. And sure enuff, the "courtesy" HD 360: lots of bubbles in the drain pan  . Put in the VR1 50W dino for this hot weather- went for ride, no bubbles on the dipstick  . 

[War Horse]

>>>For the tranny, I feel it (Amsoil) breaks down to quickly <<<

Based on ??
I use the 75/110 and have had no problems.   

Based on my bike........ 3rd gear is usually the indicater for me, with the 75-110 it starts to get grindy/clunky (yeah, I know great technical terms) at around 1K miles, with the 75-140 it will last close to 2K. Runing the same oils in the engine and primary. Been going through this for some years now. I would try the Redline SP heavy, but cant find it localy and 20 bucks a quart on line is nuts.

[Deye76]

Friggin petroleum products have gone nuts. I stay away from oil threads, but thought I could help here. My last batch of Redline 20-60w was 11.63 qt delivered, now about $2.50qt more. Still not $20.00 though. Last gallon of Redline heavy shockproof was $49.00.
WarHorse try racerpartswholesale.com they have Redline for $13.95qt. I know it's pricey, but if you want to run Redline, best deal I've found.

[slypig]

Well I thought I was done reading oil posts but now bubbles in the oil.  What  does that indicate?

[War Horse]

Deye, thanks, but with shipping it still comes to about 20 bucks.


Slypig, aeration of thick oil forms bubbles. Or better put cavitation.

[slypig]

Deye, thanks, but with shipping it still comes to about 20 bucks.


Slypig, aeration of thick oil forms bubbles. Or better put cavitation.

So harrley oil is prone to this?

[War Horse]

Slypig, sorry I cant answere that question, I know the older bikes runing 70w were prone to this and more so when cold.

I have not seen this in my bikes (TC) runing the oil I do.

[Bolo Ocho]

Unless things have changed, all HD lubricants are made by Citco which is a Venezuelan (Hugo Chavez) owned conglomerate.   You're basically sending money to that Commie POS.

Doubt it's changed- MoCo goes with lowest bidder for their oil. Venezuelan oil=Heavy crude=inferior base stock:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_crude_oil


Additive package cannot overcome issues arising from inferior base stock, ie, frickin' bubbles in da oil  http://www.insanehydraulics.com/letstalk/erosion.html

[tomcat64]

what.. no EARL!!!  ...

[harleywood]

HD oils were reformulated this year along with new packaging. I have used SYN3, Mobile1 V-Twin and Amsoil. Honestly, I couldn't tell the difference between any of them. I change at 5k miles and all looked great coming out. Noises were there with each of them. The only thing that really had and effect on the amount of engine noise I have is when I added Lucas Synthetic oil additive-definitely quieter with that. Just my observations with no scientific support-just seat of the pants-or ear...

[wakedl]

Well I thought I was done reading oil posts but now bubbles in the oil.  What  does that indicate?

He's talking about when his oil is hot.  If you look at your oil after riding for a while it'll be whats the best word - frothy.  It gets a little bubbly on top.  Easy solution - look at the oil when the bike is cold, before you ride, lol

[Bolo Ocho]

Well I thought I was done reading oil posts but now bubbles in the oil.  What  does that indicate?

He's talking about when his oil is hot.  If you look at your oil after riding for a while it'll be whats the best word - frothy.  It gets a little bubbly on top.  Easy solution - look at the oil when the bike is cold, before you ride, lol

I've seen the bubbles on the dipstick when the HD oil is cold too, friend. Maybe it's just my bike, a mechanical issue? But that would mean the VR1 is so good, it can overcome a mech issue causing excessive cavitation in the oil, rather than the HD stuff is made from cheaper/heavier crude base stock that needs to be treated with a bunch of chemicals just to get it out of the oilfield? Ocam's razor and some simple facts about geographically based differences in crude oil base stocks would seem to indicate the latter. But hey, oil, it's like politics and religion- run with whatever makes ya feel good . I ain't in to having an argument about any of those subjects, just reporting what I've seen, and what I can glean about the why. 

[TA63]

I run red line 20-60 as of now and am pleased with it.  I chang it every 5k.  Might go to the 20-50 as I feel oil pressure is almost too high with the 60 weight.  Anyone else think 43-44 psi at cruise is too much?  Only oiling mods are a late model oil pump and an R&R billet cam plate

[04 SE Deuce]

Tucker-Rocky is one distributor for Red Line oil that most any dealer/vendor buys from.  So your favorite 20% off dealer/vendor can source RL,  your cost for engine oil should be just over $10 a quart,  the SPH is about $3 more now.  I support a local dealer that gives me 20% off.   Rick

[sir_will_yum]

After years and years on the road and millions of miles I found that if you use anything but Harley Oil your going to eventually break down and the dealership will NOT covered the repair under warentee....Seriously tho 20-50 in the oil bag 10-40 in the primary and Lucas 75-90 in the Gear box As long as it synthetic and made for V-twins it all good.

[N-gin]

I just sold some Amsoil to a friend of mine that has been running syn3 in his engine. He said the tick is gone that he always had. Dont know how that is possible but that what he said 
Im going to give it a few more rides then ask if the tick is still there. 

[Ancient]

So, every time I read one of those, "Which oil to use?" questions, a question always comes to my mind.

When was the last time anyone or anyone you know had one of these engines fail and the failure could be attributed to the oil (of any type) not doing it's job? I'd wager it won't be many, if any.

My 2 cents: Use the correct viscosity. Either dino, syn, or blend. Change it at reasonable intervals. Go ride and have fun.

[TA63]

You will probably never have a complete failure attributed to the oil, but I have no doubt a good synthetic will reduce wear over the life of an engine vs standard oil.  That and the cooler engine oil temps are worth the additional cost of synthetic to me.

[ChromeWhore]

Well, if your using amsoil, you're are definitely dealing in crap. You're better off scooping some sh&t from a honey bucket "Potty mouth"ter and using it instead.

Speaking of "Potty mouth", amsoil bull "Potty mouth"ted a lot of people to be successful including me but not anymore. This old dog knows better now.

Just total crap oil. And that's the dirty little secret with amsoil.

[War Horse]

Well, if your using amsoil, you're are definitely dealing in crap. You're better off scooping some sh&t from a honey bucket "Potty mouth"ter and using it instead.

Speaking of "Potty mouth", amsoil bull "Potty mouth"ted a lot of people to be successful including me but not anymore. This old dog knows better now.

Just total crap oil. And that's the dirty little secret with amsoil.

Dang, dont hold back, tell us how ya really feel 

OK , so what do you base this conclusion on ? No smart ass here, just curious.

[runamuck]

I use mobil 1 syn. get it at autozone for 9.99..do my own required service inspections per manual ...dont go to dealer except for warranty work or a new t-shirt....amsoil too costly..

[Deye76]

"And that's the dirty little secret with amsoil."

A few years ago, Scamsoil purchased roughly 99% of it's base synthetic stock from Mobil Corporation. And then claim their oil is superior to Mobil 1.

[War Horse]

"And that's the dirty little secret with amsoil."

A few years ago, Scamsoil purchased roughly 99% of it's base synthetic stock from Mobil Corporation. And then claim their oil is superior to Mobil 1.

OK that would make them assholes but not a bad oil per se, dont get me wrong, I dont use it anymore, just want to know why its a crap oil as ChromeWhore said 

[Deye76]

Yea, nothing wrong with the oil, heck never seen a motor fail cause of the brand. It's their marketing and pyramid BS.

[dakota224]

I wouldnt put that crap in my lawnmower amsoil/amway   

[tomcat64]

 ... and not because it's bad oil,, it's the the HUGE line of crap the reps spew while trying to get us to use it,,,

[War Horse]

So it looks like amsoil is hanging themselves with multiple ropes, hard sell tactics rarely work on professionals and actually turn ya off to the product, and the pricing has gotten way out of hand (around here 13.95-14.50 a quart).

Only reason I used it for a few years was when I was building trikes, mostly GWs, those guys insisted on amsoil, so we called the distribution guy here and stocked a few cases. I just ran it because we had it in stock and it was a synthetic oil for bikes.

[codyshop]

Interesting.   We've been an Amsoil retailer for over ten years and have never, ever experiences any of these myths (pyramid scheme, MLM, pressure sales, etc. and other such nonsense).   We call in an order and the product shows up...and that's it.   

[tomcat64]

i don't think it's the parent company that makes and distributes Amsoil,,, around here it's the local dudes trying to get in our door, some of the things they claim are pretty outrages and often quite funny!

[Ed Y]

Interesting.   We've been an Amsoil retailer for over ten years and have never, ever experiences any of these myths (pyramid scheme, MLM, pressure sales, etc. and other such nonsense).   We call in an order and the product shows up...and that's it.

That's been my experience with it too although I'm using Redline now.

[Nebraskarider1]

If I recall correctly Harley used to say (maybe it has changed?) you could use whatever oil you wanted as long as it met Harley certification #*** whatever it was. Problem I saw is no other oil had that certification on it or they didn't release the specs so anyone else could have the cert. also. In a roundabout way they were telling you that you had to run their oil to be covered or they'd have a loophole to get out of a warranty claim in the event of an engine failure due to lubrication failure. I don't like that way of being strongarmed but since I still have a warranty I'll just use it.  Also since the analysis is coming back decent I'll probably use it after the warranty is up. Plus getting 20% off on a case and only $10 shipping its not all that bad of a price.

 

Unless things have changed, all HD lubricants are made by Citco which is a Venezuelan (Hugo Chavez) owned conglomerate.   You're basically sending money to that Commie POS.

And as far as supporting Citgo or whoever is making Oil for them currently I guess if you buy a new Harley and it has Harley oil in it then you are supporting them too, I don't have the time to research each and every part on my bike to see if I support each and every mfg/employee who built it so for all I know the valve stem on the rear tire may have been assembled by an undercover terrorist... does that mean since I bought a bike with a terrorist assembled valve stem that I support terrorists, I don't think so.
     Bottom line: No matter what you like someone else will have a reason not to like it. Use what makes YOU feel all warm and fuzzy.

[Bolo Ocho]

The local dealership fired a service writer for pushing amway oil at service check-ins. Sounds like good oil, but I cringe when I hear a guy saying he runs it in his Twin Cam for 10k OCIs ( most all of you guys know way more then me 'bout Harleys, though). I could save a little coin goin' 5k with the VR1 synth, or spend about the same goin' 5K with something really excellent like Redline, but 2500 mile oil change intervals with Dino VR1 feels good, and I get to look at the drain plug more often. Speakin' of which, when I dropped that "new" "improved"  HD 360 ( maybe now made from that stuff our Red&Green Cousins to the north are diggin' up, instead of Senor Chavez's product ), aside from lot's of bubbles, first time in last 10k miles I've seen stuff on the drain plug...course that could of been due to Tech's 12 mile long test/joy ride on my bike following "courtesy" oil change. 

[Deye76]

Interesting.   We've been an Amsoil retailer for over ten years and have never, ever experiences any of these myths (pyramid scheme, MLM, pressure sales, etc. and other such nonsense).   We call in an order and the product shows up...and that's it.

I think there's a difference between retailer and distributor. Years ago I wanted to buy Amsoil in quantity, (don't have a shop, would not sell it retail), the local Amsoil guy wanted me to visit shops trying to peddle it, and buy way more than I needed or could afford, much like Amway. Wasn't a myth in my limited experience. Chopper is pretty knowledgable about oil, and I recall him alluding to a pyramid type of thing regarding amsoil. Maybe it's a Michigan thing.
Knew I should have stayed away from an oil thread.

[codyshop]

If I recall correctly Harley used to say (maybe it has changed?) you could use whatever oil you wanted as long as it met Harley certification #*** whatever it was. Problem I saw is no other oil had that certification on it or they didn't release the specs so anyone else could have the cert. also. In a roundabout way they were telling you that you had to run their oil to be covered or they'd have a loophole to get out of a warranty claim in the event of an engine failure due to lubrication failure. I don't like that way of being strongarmed but since I still have a warranty I'll just use it.  Also since the analysis is coming back decent I'll probably use it after the warranty is up. Plus getting 20% off on a case and only $10 shipping its not all that bad of a price.

 

Unless things have changed, all HD lubricants are made by Citco which is a Venezuelan (Hugo Chavez) owned conglomerate.   You're basically sending money to that Commie POS.

And as far as supporting Citgo or whoever is making Oil for them currently I guess if you buy a new Harley and it has Harley oil in it then you are supporting them too, I don't have the time to research each and every part on my bike to see if I support each and every mfg/employee who built it so for all I know the valve stem on the rear tire may have been assembled by an undercover terrorist... does that mean since I bought a bike with a terrorist assembled valve stem that I support terrorists, I don't think so.
     Bottom line: No matter what you like someone else will have a reason not to like it. Use what makes YOU feel all warm and fuzzy.

You missed my point.  Lubes are not "hard parts,"  they are consumables and must be purchased on a somewhat regular basis after the bike is bought.   There's not much I can do about Achmed's valve stem...but there sure damn well is about what I buy tomorrow.

[N-gin]

Since some one brought up oil being bought from one company to the other.
I remember a friend told me one when he was working for valvoline. Mobile One ordered 4 tankers full of valvaline syn.

[dakota224]

other way around maybe.. 

[Nebraskarider1]

You missed my point.  Lubes are not "hard parts,"  they are consumables and must be purchased on a somewhat regular basis after the bike is bought.   There's not much I can do about Achmed's valve stem...but there sure damn well is about what I buy tomorrow.
[/quote]

I guess I was guilty of "stirring the pot" point understood on "consumables"

[codyshop]

You missed my point.  Lubes are not "hard parts,"  they are consumables and must be purchased on a somewhat regular basis after the bike is bought.   There's not much I can do about Achmed's valve stem...but there sure damn well is about what I buy tomorrow.

I guess I was guilty of "stirring the pot" point understood on "consumables"
[/quote]

It's all good...   

[sfmichael]

So, every time I read one of those, "Which oil to use?" questions, a question always comes to my mind.

When was the last time anyone or anyone you know had one of these engines fail and the failure could be attributed to the oil (of any type) not doing it's job? I'd wager it won't be many, if any.

My 2 cents: Use the correct viscosity. Either dino, syn, or blend. Change it at reasonable intervals. Go ride and have fun.

   

[Bolo Ocho]

In pursuit of full disclosure, and a factual oil thread  and a nod, I have to mention that I saw 2 bubbles on my dipstick yesterday : running the straight 50w VR1 for the first time- SOP for me has been to mix 1 quart of 50W with 1 of 20-50 for hot weather, never saw da bubbles with that mix. Guess it is as Warhorse says, too heavy an oil will cause some cavitation. Live and learn ( what's next? goin' to extended OCI amway oil to save the drain plug?  )   

[mp]

It's always amusing to see the latest stuff the Amsoil moonies come up with.  I don't imagine I've ever changed oil in my life (and I'm old) without seeing some bubbles in the oil.  I've never seen an engine failure because of oil, or any other reason.  I've never noticed that one oil makes the engine or the transmission seem quieter or tighter.  I've got an old Evolution engine with near 170,000 miles on it with a gear drive cam and straight-cut transmission gears and they have always run quietly no matter what dino oil (H-D 360, Valvoline, Pennzoil, Havoline, Shell, Kendall, and three quarts of Quaker State semi-synthetic) I've run.  I use gear oil in the tranny, both synthetic and dino, and ATF in the primary (so I know if it leaks).  I paid $1.79 or less a qt for Kendall up til a couple years ago and have never spent more than $3 for a quart of motor oil.
Conclusion:  If you spend eight or ten or fourteen dollars a quart on motor oil....  YOU'RE NUTS!!!!!!!

[Tsani]

Well. I am so glad you cleared that up. So I can spend $7.99 on a quart of earl and be sane. Cool.

BTW, store brand dino 20wt/50 cost over $4 here.

[Bolo Ocho]

It's always amusing to see the latest stuff the Amsoil moonies come up with.  I don't imagine I've ever changed oil in my life (and I'm old) without seeing some bubbles in the oil.  I've never seen an engine failure because of oil, or any other reason.  I've never noticed that one oil makes the engine or the transmission seem quieter or tighter.  I've got an old Evolution engine with near 170,000 miles on it with a gear drive cam and straight-cut transmission gears and they have always run quietly no matter what dino oil (H-D 360, Valvoline, Pennzoil, Havoline, Shell, Kendall, and three quarts of Quaker State semi-synthetic) I've run.  I use gear oil in the tranny, both synthetic and dino, and ATF in the primary (so I know if it leaks).  I paid $1.79 or less a qt for Kendall up til a couple years ago and have never spent more than $3 for a quart of motor oil.
Conclusion:  If you spend eight or ten or fourteen dollars a quart on motor oil....  YOU'RE NUTS!!!!!!!

My goodness, friend. Can't imagine you think I'm an amway "moonie", least not if you actually read any of the drivel I attempt to pass off as worthy posts. Suppose I could be accused of being a bit of a VR1 cheerleader  . Likely points up me bein' too cheap of a SOB to happily own one of these new fangled Harley's 

[War Horse]

It's always amusing to see the latest stuff the Amsoil moonies come up with.  I don't imagine I've ever changed oil in my life (and I'm old) without seeing some bubbles in the oil.  I've never seen an engine failure because of oil, or any other reason.  I've never noticed that one oil makes the engine or the transmission seem quieter or tighter.  I've got an old Evolution engine with near 170,000 miles on it with a gear drive cam and straight-cut transmission gears and they have always run quietly no matter what dino oil (H-D 360, Valvoline, Pennzoil, Havoline, Shell, Kendall, and three quarts of Quaker State semi-synthetic) I've run.  I use gear oil in the tranny, both synthetic and dino, and ATF in the primary (so I know if it leaks).  I paid $1.79 or less a qt for Kendall up til a couple years ago and have never spent more than $3 for a quart of motor oil.
Conclusion:  If you spend eight or ten or fourteen dollars a quart on motor oil....  YOU'RE NUTS!!!!!!!

And there ya have it men, brought to you by Dr. Phill himself....... and may I add , its on the internet  most of us are NUTS 

I hope I dont have to pay for session 

[Too Short]

I run amsoil in my 2010 RGC. I use 20w50 in the motor and primary in cooler months and 75w140 in the transmission. The only change I make is in the hot months, July and August here in Michigan, I run 60 weight in the motor. The rest stays the same. Harley synthetic is garbage. The top 3 synthetics to run are Amsoil, Lucas and Mobil 1. Bike has never shifted better or ran quieter and cooler than with the 60 in the hot months. Well worth the money.

[Ancient]

I run amsoil in my 2010 RGC. I use 20w50 in the motor and primary in cooler months and 75w140 in the transmission. The only change I make is in the hot months, July and August here in Michigan, I run 60 weight in the motor. The rest stays the same. Harley synthetic is garbage. The top 3 synthetics to run are Amsoil, Lucas and Mobil 1. Bike has never shifted better or ran quieter and cooler than with the 60 in the hot months. Well worth the money.

Seriously? Well I'm going to say, Juicy Fruit is garbage. The top 3 gums to chew are Big Red, Dentyne, and Doublemint.

C'mon man.

[Too Short]

Yeah seriously.  Always had trouble using that syn3 junk.  Bike is loud.  Can hear every working component in the motor chattering away.  Opinions are like assholes though.  That I get.  I'll never use anything but Amsoil in my bike. It works for me.

[Bolo Ocho]

I run amsoil in my 2010 RGC. I use 20w50 in the motor and primary in cooler months and 75w140 in the transmission. The only change I make is in the hot months, July and August here in Michigan, I run 60 weight in the motor. The rest stays the same. Harley synthetic is garbage. The top 3 synthetics to run are Amsoil, Lucas and Mobil 1. Bike has never shifted better or ran quieter and cooler than with the 60 in the hot months. Well worth the money.

Seriously? Well I'm going to say, Juicy Fruit is garbage. The top 3 gums to chew are Big Red, Dentyne, and Doublemint.

C'mon man.

Nooooo, say it ain't so, joe.... Juicy Fruit is the best, man. Just watch "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest" and you will know for sure 

[slypig]

Nooooo, say it ain't so, joe.... Juicy Fruit is the best, man. Just watch "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest" and you will know for sure 

Beemans Black Jack gum is the best.......where the hell is the BIRD??

[sfmichael]

Beemans Black Jack gum is the best.......where the hell is the BIRD??

   

[Buffalo]

  I used Syn3 in my 95" supercharged (Magnacharger) Twin Cam for 33000klms. It made 125hp/125t, ran at 210 degrees at highest, never had the slightest indication of motor making any more noise, and no failures other than a leaking head gasket at 25000klms. I ran HD360 until HD came out with Syn3, the dino oil ran 10-12 degrees hotter under same conditions. That was a leak around around the rear cyl  head drain back port with a SE multi layer gasket. I decided to remove the cylinders to check wear at that point, see how my expensive J&E forged pistons where standing up. I could find no visible wear signs on pistons, I just buttoned her back up with new gaskets. I rode the hell out of this for 3 yrs, shifting at 6500rpm, just cause it was too much fun!!  The lousy fuel mileage of a carbed blown engine (30mpg at best cruise) forced me to sell the unit and replace it with a T124 S&S TC. I run Mobil 20-50 Vtwin as recommended byS&S.
An inspection of the oil pump at 28000klms shows no wear anywhere I could see. Both worked and continue to work as advertised as far as I'm concerned.

[Bolo Ocho]

If I recall correctly Harley used to say (maybe it has changed?) you could use whatever oil you wanted as long as it met Harley certification #*** whatever it was. Problem I saw is no other oil had that certification on it or they didn't release the specs so anyone else could have the cert. also. In a roundabout way they were telling you that you had to run their oil to be covered or they'd have a loophole to get out of a warranty claim in the event of an engine failure due to lubrication failure. I don't like that way of being strongarmed but since I still have a warranty I'll just use it.  Also since the analysis is coming back decent I'll probably use it after the warranty is up. Plus getting 20% off on a case and only $10 shipping its not all that bad of a price.

 

Unless things have changed, all HD lubricants are made by Citco which is a Venezuelan (Hugo Chavez) owned conglomerate.   You're basically sending money to that Commie POS.

And as far as supporting Citgo or whoever is making Oil for them currently I guess if you buy a new Harley and it has Harley oil in it then you are supporting them too, I don't have the time to research each and every part on my bike to see if I support each and every mfg/employee who built it so for all I know the valve stem on the rear tire may have been assembled by an undercover terrorist... does that mean since I bought a bike with a terrorist assembled valve stem that I support terrorists, I don't think so.
     Bottom line: No matter what you like someone else will have a reason not to like it. Use what makes YOU feel all warm and fuzzy.

Schaeffer's V-Twin full syn 20-50 meets HD specs, as well as JASO-MA. $8.59 a quart at my local NAPA- think that's a bit cheaper than the SYN-3, and pretty sure no terrorists involved in refining 

[Old Crow]

Beemans Black Jack gum is the best.......where the hell is the BIRD??

   

I think he's tied up in the basement over at Earl's Place. 

[BlackSpecial]

........i use spectro platinum 6 speed in the trans and spectro heavy duty chaincase oil in the primary of both bikes.

Same here along with M1 VTwin! 

[tomboyjr]

Just bought Redline at racerpartswholesale.com. Free shipping over $100. I bought enough for 2 changes, came to a little over $200, including 2 K+N filters. Cheaper than ebay, or anywhere local for me.

Thanks deye

[GaryD]

I prefer Amsoil-because of the additive package, but wouldn't hesitate to use ANY brand name syn oil. Preferably a motorcycle specific oil, but in an emergency any correct viscosity oil will work.
I use Amsoil 20-50 in engine, Amsoil 75-140 Severe Gear oil in trans and H-D Formula+ in the primary.
Never had an oil problem and don't know anybody that ever had an oil  problem by using any of the top 7 or 8 syn/dino oils.
The only thing I recommend is change your oil/filter at the recommended interval.

[Twolane]

Getcher Taco Fry Oil™ while you can. On sale now. No skating. No smoking. No burning rubber. Wobble-free. Never needs changing. 

[GaryD]

Twolane, what about the filter?  Kruups coffee filter maybe?     

[madmax]

Ok  any good name brand oil will work. Iam old school, and just the word synthetic to me means fake something.i like real "Potty mouth", yeah i know , fake titties are ok, but  i like real ones.  so, before all this ,.. what oil do i use, or best came about. everybody knows they used castrol 70 in most old bikes. only failure i ever saw was oil pump related or lack of.by the way, i still use dino, because i havent bought into the need for syn thing in everything..more profit for them imo..also.. Castrol does make a motorcycle only dino for 4.99 a qt. at any Auto Zone store.. cheeper than most today, and works very well. eng. is quite and clean..just for thought..

[Twolane]

Twolane, what about the filter?  Kruups coffee filter maybe?     

Since Taco Fry Oil™ never needs changing, no filter is required. 

[GaryD]

Madmax, dino oil ISN'T cheaper then syn.
Since you can extend the oil change 2 or sometimes 3 times longer then dino, you are saving $$$ and you will keep the landfills from filling up so fast with used oil bottles and filters.

You are completely right about any brand name oil -syn or dino - will be fine,  just change at recommended times.

Times HAVE CHANGED and somethings have gotten better - bikes, cars, oil, gas, handguns, roller coasters, etc.
I'm old school too, I still wave at ALL other bikes - which seems to be a dying activity. 

[Bolo Ocho]

Giving this a lot of thought lately, and starting to wonder if synthetic oil is just so slippery, the lifters can't 'hang' on to it, hence collapsing or draining down, taking longer to pump up at cold start-up, etc ( OK guys, fire away and shoot me down, ain't no engineeer  ). Sure hear about more guys running Syn with noisy lifters, and very common to hear guys say went to Dino and lifters calmed down - certainly mine have ( hear other way too, but seems not as much).

As an aside, I'm totally done with HD lubes, been runnin' Formula + in tranny and chaincase, but no more, got 15-40 Rotella in primary and a dino GL-5 in tranny. Talking to a wrench, and He says " ya run gear oil in tranny, not primary". OK, but come to find out Formula + is just straight 50w with a weak add pack and not much sheer stability ( almost no anti-wear)- no wonder it smells a little like gear oil, it almost is  and all for more than $10 a quart 
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=926039#Post926039

[Ed Y]

I've been running synthetic engine oil (not HD stuff though) in 2 different twin cam's since 1999 (total of 175,000+) and have never experienced any lifter collapses at all. And this is in the deep south where temps are hot.

[JW3]

Unless things have changed, all HD lubricants are made by Citco which is a Venezuelan (Hugo Chavez) owned conglomerate.   You're basically sending money to that Commie POS.

I was told the new oil manufacturer for MOCO is Valvoline. I mean come on MOCO, what is the dark secret about this oil stuff?  We all know MOCO don't make oil. 

[dakota224]

Its Citgo oil still. 

[GaryD]

Bolo, where did you come across the info that H-D Formula+ oil is straight 50?

JW3,  I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a top shelf oil like Amsoil, Red Line, Mobil, etc. then oil supplied by the lowest bidder. I wonder what they are skimping on. 

Isn't Quaker State oil still from the U.S.?

[madmax]

Garyd, you are correct sir if you would choose to run it 2 to 3 times longer than the normal change, but oil develops particals from normal wear and combustion by products as its used. I for one dont have the balls to run it  that long. it still gets dirty after extensive running time, and just changing the filter is a band aid to me.jmo. its all good today, and it will work fine.. wellcome to the oldschool Gary..

[GaryD]

Madmax, I've been extending my oil change interval for almost 30 years and so far have not had any problems. Usually twice a year. 20-50 in April and 10-40 in November for Chicago winters.
You're right about it still gets dirty, but I think the additive packages in syn has come a long way and filters are head and shoulders above filters from even 10 years ago.

I would hate to have to change my oil every 2 months.  I'm plane lazy.

I wish they were still teaching "old school" I don't believe the crap they teach in schools now. 

[Bolo Ocho]

Bolo, where did you come across the info that H-D Formula+ oil is straight 50?

JW3,  I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a top shelf oil like Amsoil, Red Line, Mobil, etc. then oil supplied by the lowest bidder. I wonder what they are skimping on. 

Isn't Quaker State oil still from the U.S.?

Reading big debate about primary fluids, nobody could give definitive answer on just what formula + was, someone put up link to VOA on Bob is The Oil Guy ( where everyday is an oil thread day). Looks like it would be a better choice for tranny rather than primary- straight 50w is a little thick for the chaincase, me thinks. Sure notice better clutch engagement and less noise in the primary running the 15-40 Rotella in there. And it can't hurt to have some anti-wear additives floating around in there.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=cfrm

[bobrk1]

i get it from them on-line a bunch of us will chip in and get a membership which cuts the cost and we split shipping , saw a test of oils, HD syn was beat by rev tech non syn oil.

[sfmichael]

i get it from them on-line a bunch of us will chip in and get a membership which cuts the cost and we split shipping , saw a test of oils, HD syn was beat by rev tech non syn oil.

Get what, from who???

[WI Bob]

How "Old School" are we talking here?
I remember "Dino" before he was oil. 

[PoorUB]

i get it from them on-line a bunch of us will chip in and get a membership which cuts the cost and we split shipping , saw a test of oils, HD syn was beat by rev tech non syn oil.

Get what, from who???

I have yet to see oil comparison done in a scientific manor that was not finaced by some big oil company. At one of the last HOG meetings one of the dealer's shop guys gave a talk on oil, of course HD "what ever" was better than anything else other than the Amsoil they sell too. They even gave out a hand out on some oil test that praised Amsoil. Everyone was quite impressed with it until I pointed out the small print on back page that pointed out the test was finaced by Amsoil.

[War Horse]

I have yet to see oil comparison done in a scientific manor that was not finaced by some big oil company. At one of the last HOG meetings one of the dealer's shop guys gave a talk on oil, of course HD "what ever" was better than anything else other than the Amsoil they sell too. They even gave out a hand out on some oil test that praised Amsoil. Everyone was quite impressed with it until I pointed out the small print on back page that pointed out the test was finaced by Amsoil.

Dang troublemaker..... 

[messed up]

Been using Mobil 15-50 since first change on "02. Tried Mobil V-twin while working in Vegas only difference I saw was price. I would think condensation would be worst oil problem so figure I just have to change it before too long of a period.

[ultra 08]

Am I the only one that is running schafers full syn in my my bike. I am not going to get into the debate as to which oil is better than an other but I well say I am very happy with my choice the bike runs cool, shifts smooth and is quite with a set of 48's in it. I have yet to see the oil get up to 220 degrees and I don't have an oil cooler but than again we have only seen 102 degrees for a high temp here.

[GaryD]

PoorUB, so what?
At least they did a test and I don't see any of the other mfg's disagreeing with it. I don't see them doing a test. If they did it probably would show theirs better - wouldn't it?? So why not do one. Could it be that, maybe, Amsoil's test is correct???

I put this out on another thread a while back. Why don't you and everyone else (I'd be perfectly willing to pay my share) take a collection up and pay for a completely independent test. Then, I would imagine, that would put to rest all this "my oil is better then your oil" crap. What do ya think? Could we do it?   

Maybe even get some of the oil companies to contribute - especially if they think their oil is best.

[Tsani]

You will never put it to rest. Otherwise, there would only be one type of oil being used and sold. It's all about marketing. There are some you should not use as in the wrong type/grade. other than that use what fits the bill, that you can afford and change it at the recommended intervals or as needed.

Ok.
Carry on.

Anyone up for a gas thread?

[War Horse]

I only buy American made gasoline.... IT'S THE BEST 

[Tynker]

Ohio, I just ordered a case of M1 V-Twin through Amazon (6 per case) at $60.00 with free shipping.

Walmart sells M1 V twin for 8.97 here in Texas

[PoorUB]

PoorUB, so what?
At least they did a test and I don't see any of the other mfg's disagreeing with it. I don't see them doing a test. If they did it probably would show theirs better - wouldn't it?? So why not do one. Could it be that, maybe, Amsoil's test is correct?

You know, I don't care which oil is best, run what you want. I just get a bit annoyed when someone has papers claiming their oil is the best and the only test that backs up the claim was financed by them. Generally people have a tough time being open minded when you throw money their way.


(looked like I was drunk when I typed that from my phone!)

[GaryD]

PoorUB, but isn't that what every single company in the intire world does? So why does just Amsoil piss you off? Shouldn't you be pissed at everyone?
At least Amsoil doesn't show they're the best in every catagory.
I still haven't seen any of the other companies disprove any of the results.

IF there was any discrepancies wouldn't you think the other companies would be screaming bloody murder? I sure would.

Would you have the same reaction if it was Red Line or Mobil or any other company that did the comparison?

That's what's so great about the U.S. - you can use any oil you want. I use what I like and I don't bitch about the ones I don't use.

[Tsani]

 

[PoorUB]

PoorUB, but isn't that what every single company in the intire world does? So why does just Amsoil piss you off? Shouldn't you be pissed at every oil company?

You missed my point.
I expect the manufacturer to claim thiers is the best. When a rider comes running up saying XYZ oil is the best and here is proof, and he shows me documetation from XYZ oil company, that is when I get annoyed. They read it like gospel and never question the posibility that the info might be twisted.

Also, nothing against Amsoil, they just happened to be the company in question at the time. If the documentation came from Mobil instead the point would be the same.

[tbird]

4 or 5 yrs ago I bought on a closeout sale 8 cases of Bardahl V-twin 20/50 at $1.50 a qt. I also picked up 4 cases of Bardahl V-twin primary oil and 4 cases of semi-syntheic  V-twin tranny oil at the same price. All this was with free shipping. I'm still good for a few yrs.

[GaryD]

PoorUB, I just don't see why people get so worked up about it. Big deal - they brag about their oil. Can you disprove any of their claims? I can see you being upset if the tests were not truthful.
I agree that you shouldn't believe one opinion. That's why I buy both competing Chicago newspapewrs - I want both sides. I research products on the web that I'm thinking on buying. Always have, always will.
But you have to watch out for biased opinions too. There are some on this forum and another forum that bad mouth Amsoil, not because it's a bad oil, but because they don't like the way they promote it or sell it. What the hell is that about? If that was the case nobody would buy a Ford or a Chevy etc.

If I had a product that proved to be head and shoulders above the competition, I'd print and distribute those findings to every corner of the world. I'd be stupid not to. I would challenge the compitition to disprove it, which Amsoil should do.

I'll be the first one to abandond Amsoil if it is proven that they fudged the results of their analysis.

[fattmann101]

Well I thought I was done reading oil posts but now bubbles in the oil.  What  does that indicate?
some one fed the oil beans?

[GaryD]

AIRATING(SP?)

[PoorUB]

I'll be the first one to abandond Amsoil if it is proven that they fudged the results of their analysis.

Gary, you seem to be a bit twitchy about Amsoil. If you like it, great! I don't care! I never slammed Amsoil, I just pointed out the oil test everyone was so excited about was paid for by Amsoil and let them come to their own decision, and most people saw the conection and wondered the same as me.

You ask why no oil company has rebutted the claims in the tests? Maybe they figure they don't have to as most people may question the credibility of the test any way. Pretty much all oils meet some API standard and if they meet the standards required for your vehicle why bother go through the hassle of a test? The testing was already done or it would not meet API. Does Amsoil meet API? I don't know, never looked, maybe you can tell me.

I have never slammed one oil over another, except maybe to question why someone would pay $10-$12 a quart for oil when a simular oils can be bought for 1/2 the price. I run M1 15w-50 because it is good oil and the price is right. If Amsoil was readily available for less money I would buy it instead.

[Otterhigh]

This isn't to change any minds, but to try and clarify. To have those tests done, someone has to pay for them. I don't think there are many testing facilities doing that kind of work free. The tests Amsoil has done are done by certified independent testing facilities. It's easy to say that the tests are skewed in the direction of the company that paid for them, but think about that for a minute. They publish the results for anyone to see and any one of the big oil companies listed by name and product could easily prove it if the results were fabricated or even fudged a little. The labs would lose credibility and go out of business not to mention the companies that didn't fare well would sue both Amsoil and the labs and I'm pretty sure Exxon Mobil could wipe Amsoil off the face of the planet without even getting into their folding money. Pennzoil even sued them over the original name, Amzoil, and even though they won they still changed the name to Amsoil back in the early 70's. Most of the big oil companies sue each other all the time over claims and the results of their in house testing. That information is readily available in industry magazines, newsletters and on line. No one has ever sued Amsoil over any claims they make about their products.

[GaryD]

PoorUB, you're right, I guess I am a little twitchy about people taking pot shots at what I think is a good product for no legitament reason.  I didn't say you in particular bash Amsoil, but there are a few that do -just because they don't like the way Amsoil promotes their product.

Yes I like Amsoil, but I have nothing against any of the other oils. I wouldn't hesitate to use any of them. I just like Amsoils additive package better. Better storage additives then most for one.

So, are you saying the other companies are afraid to publish their own tests for fear of being ridiculed like Amsoil? Maybe I'm old fashioned, but if I had a great product, I'd do everything I could to promote it.

Amsoil is readily available to me for $8.49/qt, the warehouse is a few blocks from where I work - and the Harley dealer also sells it as do many dealers now - of course at a higher price.

I don't and will not use(except in an emergency)automotive oils in my bike (that's another hot topic). I know, lots of riders do use automotive oils in their bikes with no problems and have thousands of reasons why.

I think I pay the same or maybe a little less then other motorcycle specific oils, but if I wanted to use automotive oil, I can buy Amsoil syn for $5.41/qt.

At least we have the option to buy any oil we want, and that's what it's all about. 

Scott, you're right, you're not going to change anyones minds. We all have our own favorite oil. That's why these oil threads are useless except for once in a while we get to blow off steam. 

[Tsani]

You can go to other oil MFG's and read up on their oil. No reason for them to spend additional revenue touting it's the best, etc. What's important is meeting set standards and specs. Which is why you don't see them getting into oil thread debates. Additionally, a big turn off for me with any product is when they spend time trying to jam it down my throat, wheather it's the company or the consumers. Throws a red flag for me. Just that simple. Just state the facts and I will make my mind up. Chose what you use, use what you chose. Just be sure it meets the specs for you use.

Oil threads are just like politics and religion threads. Everyone has their views and opinions. And you know the story about opinions right?

[GaryD]

There is the other ridiculous statement "I'm tired of having it jammed down my throat" Where in gods name is it being jammed down your throad?

The only time I see Amsoil is:
1. I click on their website
2. On a thread When someone asks what oil do we use/recommend
3. An advertisement in a magazine - they don't advertise on TV or the radio like other oil companies do.
4. At a booth at a bike show

Most of the above other oil mfg's also do. Just because other mfg's don't bother telling the public how good their oil is by other means, doesn't mean Amsoil has to do the same. 

Yes Amsoil says their oil is better - - ON THEIR WEBSITE AND ON DEALERS WEBSITEs. Would you expect anything less? You just said the other mfg's do it on their website.
They are stating the facts, you just don't like them or believe them. That's your right.

So, if Amsoil is comming to your house, kicking down your door and jamming it down your throat, I'd call the police. Stuff like that is not tolerated in this country.   

You are absolutely right about oil, politicians, religion and opinions.

[Tsani]

Ya know Gary, I am beginning to think you can't comprehend the written word. No where have I mention Amsoil. Not once in this thread.
Here I will quote myself for you....... "Additionally, a big turn off for me with any product is when they spend time trying to jam it down my throat, wheather it's the company or the consumers." Please note that I said any product.
As for the phrase "jamming it down my throat", you can insert the words "hard sell" if it pleases you. And the gist of about every post I have made in this thread is that is does not matter what brand of oil you use as long as it meets the specs set by the industry and required by the manufacturer of your motorcycle. Period. And I will stand by that.

As for your Amsoil, I could care less. It's your money, your machine, your business. But don't misqoute me or infer something I did not say. As for the AMWAY hard sell, yes, I have ran in to it in the form of over zealous persons who mistook my intent when I wanted to purchase a product. Yes, I was interested in a product, not the AMSSCAM that they bought into and believe in. So I didn't complete the buy and will not do business with them Period. And I do the same thing with insurance people, cable people, credit card companies, salemen and on and on. I will do my research and make my own decisions thank you very much.

Bye Gary D. It's been grand.

[Bolo Ocho]

You will never put it to rest. Otherwise, there would only be one type of oil being used and sold. It's all about marketing. There are some you should not use as in the wrong type/grade. other than that use what fits the bill, that you can afford and change it at the recommended intervals or as needed.

Ok.
Carry on.

Anyone up for a gas thread?

Shell gas is the best, perhaps due too the bat guano they put in it ( damn I love oil threads)

Am I the only one that is running schafers full syn in my my bike. I am not going to get into the debate as to which oil is better than an other but I well say I am very happy with my choice the bike runs cool, shifts smooth and is quite with a set of 48's in it. I have yet to see the oil get up to 220 degrees and I don't have an oil cooler but than again we have only seen 102 degrees for a high temp here.

I've run it, good stuff at a decent price- local NAPA is carrying it for $8.59 a quart. Robust add pack and good base stock, but valve train noise just as bad on my bike as it was with Syn 3 ( no bubbles though  ).

[koko3052]

no bubbles... no beans!

[04 SE Deuce]

  Not that I want to enter in an oil drama thread but since it seems to have eternal life,  I peeked even though I'm not interested in reading through all the posts. 

  I went to Amsoil's website to look at their tests/comparison as I seem to remember that Red Line was conveniently not included in the gear oil tests.  Couldn't find the test..remembered the term white paper and did a search which gave several document links to 32 brand M/C oil comparison test..clicked the top/recent updated one which took me to a single page add to call a 1 800 number for a copy of the White Paper, A study of motorcycle oils (32 leading M/C oils compared)..did so and was told that I had reached the catalog line and she had no idea about the test but directed me to call 715 392-7101.  The add page also stated if I didn't want to wait I could download the test at amsoil.com..yeah right.  So I called and was directed to a rep. named Tony who informed me the oil tests were obsolete (over 2years ago) and that I would not find them anywhere on their website.  I mentioned that they are still circulating on the internet and he responded that some dealers may still have the test on their sites but have been notified by Amsoil to remove them.  Whew,  I think Earl would advise to let this one go.  White papers now white flag.  Rick

[GaryD]

Deuce, Man, Amsoil just can't get a break. First you complain about the test results now you complain when they stop printing them.  They had an oil test comparison a couple years ago and are now recalling it due to it being obsolete. What's wrong with that? I would think you'd be happy now.  Why do you care, when you say it's nothing but misinformation anyway?? I'm sure they're working on a new one.

I also was a little disappointed that Red Line was missing from the tests. Maybe the new test will have them on it.

Tsani, where did I accuse you of saying Amsoil???  I don't think you know what the written word is. I went back all the way to the beginning of the thread and can't see one instance where I said you mentioned Amsoil. Since Amsoil is the only oil being slammed by a few posters and you inferring that you didn't like people jamming things down your throat, putting  2 and 2 together, it's a no brainer that you had Amsoil on your mind. Since I was talking about Amsoil not "any product"  Could you have meant Mobil1 instead? I don't think so.
You just proved your bias by calling it Amway or  Amsscam = ??  it doesn't get any clearer then that now does it?? 

This thread was very civil until ChromeWhore went on a rant on post 38, then a few more came out of the woodwork going off topic from the OP bashing Amsoil. No one  else did any bashing of any other brand oil.
That seems to be the case for any oil thread. I have yet to see an Amsoil user bash another brand oil. If someone can show me I'm wrong, I'll retract my statement and eat my hat. Which could happen since I'm pretty old and I do forget some things now and then. 

I'll say it again, it seems that the bashing of Amsoil is not because it's a bad oil, it's because some people don't like the way Amsoil advertises or how some dealers promote it. If a salesman upsets you -walk away - go see another one - they're not all the same. If that was the case I'd probably never buy a car.

I don't offend anyone - all I do is say I sell Amsoil, give them my card, and say if you want to buy some let me know. Every couple of months I get a new buyer. I'm not in it for the money. I sell it to my chapter members at my cost plus a couple pennies to make it an even dollar - I hate making change. And it looks like I buy it cheaper then most people buy their brand motorcycle specific oil.

Yes, it's been grand. 

[04 SE Deuce]

  Oh crap Gary this is just what I didn't want OTD (oil thread drama).  I know from your posts over the years that this thread has you a little out of character.  Still I have to address the statements you made that were directed at me. Keep in mind I have made 2 posts (#33 & #116) prior to this one.

  1.   Your quote:  "First you complain about the test results now you complain when they stop printing them."
        I was not complaining about test results..merely made a statement that I remembered Red Line gear oil
        was conveniently not included.  Also I never complained about Amsoil not printing results especially if they
        themselves consider the test to be obsolete.
  2.  Your quote: "Why do you care,  you say it's nothing but misinformation anyway??" is totally off base,  I   
       never made any comment on,  or inferred in any way that there was misinformation pertaining to
       anything of factual relevance in this thread...I think perhaps you have confused my post with someone
       else's.

  What I did state was that I went the Amsoil website and looked for the "tests" that are being referred to in this thread.  And after "clicking" around the site and not finding the test,  I used their search option and entered "white papers" which resulted in links which ultimately gave me an ad page with 2 options specifically for the test...back to the website or call a phone number,  neither of which were correct but after calling the number the "catalog" girl gave me a second phone number that I called and was in turn transferred to a rep that stated the test had been considered obsolete and hasn't been available for over 2 years.   

So again I think Earl and Amsoil are both waving the white flag...not the white papers these days.  Rick
 
       
   

[truck]

I hope you guys can put this thread to bed, I will if you can't.

[GaryD]

Deuce, maybe I read more into your post then was there. If I was wrong I apologize. 

I just don't know why, when a new member asks what oil we recommend, everything is civil until Amsoil is mentioned and then a few hate mongers come out of the woodwork. Why can't we just stick to the OP's question. If you like it, fine - if you don't like it, fine and if you don't like it explain why - if you want to.  To bash a good product just because you don't like a dealer is not fair to the product.
I don't bash another oil and would not have a problem using any of the brand name oils.

I am using the generic "You"  above not referring to you.

[ReddHogg]

Sorry. Not trying to.  I don't want to change subject!!!   When I rode dirt   we used klotz oil I see that have v twin!!  Any opp. Good. Or bad