Woods or Gaterman Lifters with cam swap?

[1FSTRK]

For what it is worth the new 2013 Jim's 135" Race motor comes with SE266 cams, SE High Flow Oil Pump, H-D Hydraulic Cam Chain Tensioners ,Screamin' Eagle Valve Springs,and the new 2013 Jim's Hot Lap Tappets,
Wonder if these tappets became the new SE tappets?

[HD deuce]

I have competition cams 875 - 1 Small block Chevy Magnum roller lifters 13 dollars each I am happy with them so far. 95 cubic inch with a woods TW 9 FG

[HD/Wrench]

Last SE 120R crate engine paper works shows the part number for lifters as 18573-07.. same number in SE catalog.

[1FSTRK]

Last SE 120R crate engine paper works shows the part number for lifters as 18573-07.. same number in SE catalog.

New 120r motors in the 2013 SE catalog are #-13 and the description states "SE high-performance lifters." In the same SE catalog on the lifter page lists Screamin Eagle High Capacity Tappets as #18572-13 so it is a new number and lifter.
The Instruction sheet with the motor is JO5613 Rev.2012-05-21 and lists the lifter number as 17900022
So who knows what it all means?

[koko3052]

read somewhere that the chevy lifters had smaller oil holes to the pr.

[HD/Wrench]

Thanks for the update.. I got that engine maybe a month ago and pulled the sheet from that engine.. So now we have an updated lifter number.. So is the part the same and just a change for them to track parts?? or is it really a new lifter. 

[hrdtail78]

Here is a link that I posted pics of the lifter.  It is different, and I am under the impression that these are 17900022 according to the directions I posted above.

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,56416.msg597382.html#msg597382

But, I don't know what it all means either.

[BVHOG]

Here is a link that I posted pics of the lifter.  It is different, and I am under the impression that these are 17900022 according to the directions I posted above.

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,56416.msg597382.html#msg597382

But, I don't know what it all means either.

Just pulled a set of those out of a 120R B motor Definitely the same lifter, no problems just updating some stuff.

[1FSTRK]

The new SE 18572-13 lifters show made in USA. (see attached)
Have some characteristics of the Wood/Morel such as the non-stationary bearing axle and the fore/aft oil hole.
To date, three sets installed at HD Louisville...so far so good.

Herko can you confirm the lifters in the SE18572-13 set look like the lifters in hrdtails pics in this link?
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,56416.msg597380.html#msg597380

According to the instructions J05612 Rev. 2012-05-21  The lifters that come in the 120R are 17900022.  This is a SE lifter.  I don't know if they are the same as the ones Herko posted.  Can't imagine that they came out with 2 new lifters.

hrdtail 78 are you sure the the lifters in the pics are 17900022 lifters?

I am hoping Herko can tell if the 17900022 lifters in your pics are identical to the lifters in the box he has marked SE18572-13

[hrdtail78]

hrdtail78 are you sure the the lifters in the pics are 17900022 lifters?

I am hoping Herko can tell if the 17900022 lifters in your pics are identical to the lifters in the box he has marked SE18572-13

No, I am not sure.  What I do know.  The pics of the lifters came out of a brand new 120R (Adams) with paper work stating that part number.  But like I posted in the link you posted.  My 120R paperwork stated B lifters.  SE is what was in there.  I would guess that they are the same lifter.  I believe there are new direction and they probably renumbered to fit how they revise.  These lifter dont have SE on the body.  Or these lifters are even better than the B's and harley decided Jim's were a better deal.

[Herko]

"I am hoping Herko can tell if the 17900022 lifters in your pics are identical to the lifters in the box he has marked SE18572-13"

I'll try to get a pic or two of a 18572-13 and post tomorrow.

[1FSTRK]

hrdtail78 are you sure the the lifters in the pics are 17900022 lifters?

I am hoping Herko can tell if the 17900022 lifters in your pics are identical to the lifters in the box he has marked SE18572-13

No, I am not sure.  What I do know.  The pics of the lifters came out of a brand new 120R (Adams) with paper work stating that part number.  But like I posted in the link you posted.  My 120R paperwork stated B lifters.  SE is what was in there.  I would guess that they are the same lifter.  I believe there are new direction and they probably renumbered to fit how they revise.  These lifter dont have SE on the body.  Or these lifters are even better than the B's and harley decided Jim's were a better deal.

Was the part number on Adams motor a -12 or -13?

[hrdtail78]

Kit number 19220-13

[hrdtail78]

Another difference I have noticed this morning comparing mine and Adam's is the MSO's.  His doesn't state competition only on his.

[1FSTRK]

Nice catch. Wonder how the MoCo is pulling that one off?

[hrdtail78]

According to me.  It's because he's slow and no competition for me.

[Herko]

Pics montage of a 18572-13 attached.
It's as large as I could make it with the 350KB max.
HTH,
John

[attachment removed after 60 days by system]

[Herko]

Two pics of the axle marked with a 'V'.
Slight pressure on roller and rotate the roller...axle takes a new position.
Heavier pressure on roller and rotate the roller...axle maintains position.
This is by design per my understanding.

[1FSTRK]

Great pics and info as usual
Thanks

It appears that there is a small sir-clip holding the floating axle in on the 18572-13.
It is hard to tell but it looks like the same is true in the picture that hdtail78 posted of the 19700022 lifter

[kd]

A little off topic but I notice there is no "owner's" name on the 120r MSO. Are these issued without the purchaser or owner's name or is the purchaser's name found elsewhere on the document?

[FSG]

FSG, So to understand what you're saying, the 1021 lifters are a bulk purchase, that are the B lifters, and are made by the manufacturer that made these for Harley? And I assume this is limited to current stock only? When their gone, they're gone?

Correct, when their gone, they're gone. 

[Ohio HD]

FSG, So to understand what you're saying, the 1021 lifters are a bulk purchase, that are the B lifters, and are made by the manufacturer that made these for Harley? And I assume this is limited to current stock only? When their gone, they're gone?

Correct, when their gone, they're gone.

Thanks FSG.

I know you can't answer this, but I wonder why when I inquired to Bill Gaterman about country of origin, and that I was mostly interested in US made parts, he didn't point me to the 1021's?   

[04 SE Deuce]

I believe he views the 1021 as a stock replacement and feels the 1023 is a superior design and the choice for performance applications.   Rick