a shinko tire question

[rittchie66]

hi, Ive looked through the forums here but have not been able to find an answer to my question, i want to run a classic look rear tire on my evo hardtail (standard frame with no added rake or stretch if that matters), I'm liking the looks of the shinko 270 super classic 500-16 rear tire... the only definitive thing i could find was that it gave a good ride on a hardtail, is that tire any good? any recommendations other than the shinko? is it compatible with my dunlop d404f 21" front? i don't mind spending more if it would mean a better and safer tire. thanks for the help

[Hossamania]

Can't answer your question specifically, but Shinko seems to be gaining in reputation.
A guy I work with said he was going to buy them for his sport bike cause they were about half the price. I was a little (lot) skeptical, but he says they are handling really well and seem to be asting as long as the original stockers.

[John/1]

 Hi

I use a Shinko rear tire 003 stealth 180/55/18 track day dimple slick it has a wide contact patch.Cost $150.I like it a lot .

[Shaylex]

Running a Shinko on my Shovel. In my opinion, it's a good tire at a good price. 

[jclark311]

I ran one on the front of a sportster 10 yrs ago, had no issues.

[strokerjlk]

I am running a 777 140 mm on my bagger .
I wanted the traction for the track. It does that very well .
And it seems to hold up well on the street .

[prodrag1320]

from what ive seen,most sportsman racers run shinko`s

[rittchie66]

thanks guys, i ordered one today

[04 SE Deuce]

Not that it is relevant to the OP in response to someone commenting about using them on a sport bike,  the last sport bike tire test I read about a year ago was typical in that the popular brands were fairly close in performance and the test stated the Shinko's shouldn't have been included in the test because if you tried to ride the Shinko's as hard/fast as the others you'd in up on your head.  Rick

[John/1]

Not that it is relevant to the OP in response to someone commenting about using them on a sport bike,  the last sport bike tire test I read about a year ago was typical in that the popular brands were fairly close in performance and the test stated the Shinko's shouldn't have been included in the test because if you tried to ride the Shinko's as hard/fast as the others you'd in up on your head.  Rick

Hi
Not sure where you read that motorcycle-USA.com has a good review on Shinko 003 stealth.Look at motorcycle super store and read review for customer lots of good reviews from sport bike riders I have a 003 stealth soft great tire can't say enough about it .Paul Morris runs that as well put his fxr in the 9's

[shovelbill]

I don't know about the tire you're asking about, but I wouldn't run two different tires on a bike......i'd prefer BOTH tires have the same tread pattern and handling characteristics................after all, we only have 2 wheels.

just my opinion.

[Hossamania]

I don't know about the tire you're asking about, but I wouldn't run two different tires on a bike......i'd prefer BOTH tires have the same tread pattern and handling characteristics................after all, we only have 2 wheels.

just my opinion.

Normally I would agree with you. but on a hardtail chopper I think you're just looking for a decent combo of tires. You 've already thrown away any scientific balance on the machine.

[04 SE Deuce]

John/1,  Like I mentioned not relevant to the OP. 
My response was toward the mention of sport bike application.  Here's a couple links to sport rubber comparisons:
http://www.sportrider.com/gear/146_1212_2012_street_tire_test/viewall.html
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/545/8285/Motorcycle-Article/2010-Street-Motorcycle-Tire-Comparison.aspx

The Shinko is last in both and any other test I have read, in the motorcycle-usa test they where placed in a category by themselves.  Harsh ride, poor bump absorption, heavy steering, low corner grip, stand up on the brakes etc.

Quote from the 2012 Sportrider test:
"Considering their low prices, we really wanted to like the Shinkos, but as Bradley stated, "The amount of effort the tires require simply sucks the fun out of a twisty road." While the Shinkos are definitely cheaper than the name brands, we're not so sure the savings are worth it."

My point was Shinko's are not a choice for a guy that utilizes a sport bike's performance and values his bike and skin.
Also I don't put much faith in John Q Public's perception of  tire qualities like handling and corner grip, have read posts right here on HTT that are polar opposite to my experiences.

I understand that for a Harley that is focused primarily on going straight that forward traction is good as is the price.  Rick

[John/1]

John/1,  Like I mentioned not relevant to the OP. 
My response was toward the mention of sport bike application.  Here's a couple links to sport rubber comparisons:
http://www.sportrider.com/gear/146_1212_2012_street_tire_test/viewall.html
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/545/8285/Motorcycle-Article/2010-Street-Motorcycle-Tire-Comparison.aspx

The Shinko is last in both and any other test I have read, in the motorcycle-usa test they where placed in a category by themselves.  Harsh ride, poor bump absorption, heavy steering, low corner grip, stand up on the brakes etc.

Quote from the 2012 Sportrider test:
"Considering their low prices, we really wanted to like the Shinkos, but as Bradley stated, "The amount of effort the tires require simply sucks the fun out of a twisty road." While the Shinkos are definitely cheaper than the name brands, we're not so sure the savings are worth it."

My point was Shinko's are not a choice for a guy that utilizes a sport bike's performance and values his bike and skin.
Also I don't put much faith in John Q Public's perception of  tire qualities like handling and corner grip, have read posts right here on HTT that are polar opposite to my experiences.

I understand that for a Harley that is focused primarily on going straight that forward traction is good as is the price.  Rick

Hi rick

Did you read page 3 on the last 2 links it seem to contradict what you have to say,about Shinko 003 stealth.

[04 SE Deuce]

I really didn't want to get into a debate on Shinko tires,  especially when it doesn't apply to the OP post.

You have to pay attention to how the writer termed the characteristics of the Shinko...they're not on par with the major brands.

Here's the Rider's Notes from page 3 that you referenced:

"The front tire feels significantly different than the others. Steering felt very heavy and turn-in was slow. It takes time to get use to how much more slowly the bike tips into a corner. The tire flexes a lot and builds good heat right away. Rear tire drive grip was excellent but edge grip is lacking. Rear tire feel is unreal though which makes it easy to spin up the rear tire at will. Traction did fall off and the rear tire felt greasy after just a few laps."

Duds in my book.   Rick

[John/1]

I really didn't want to get into a debate on Shinko tires,  especially when it doesn't apply to the OP post.

You have to pay attention to how the writer termed the characteristics of the Shinko...they're not on par with the major brands.

Here's the Rider's Notes from page 3 that you referenced:

"The front tire feels significantly different than the others. Steering felt very heavy and turn-in was slow. It takes time to get use to how much more slowly the bikoe tips into a corner. The tire flexes a lot and builds good heat right away. Rear tire drive grip was excellent but edge grip is lacking. Rear tire feel is unreal though which makes it easy to spin up the rear tire at will. Traction did fall off and the rear tire felt greasy after just a few laps."

Duds in my book.   Rick

Hi Rick, I do Agee with those terms. But you quoted "harsh ride and poor bump absorption "
And as per the articles it states the contrary. Here is the quote: "Bump absorption ranked highly and the tires generally delivered a very good ride".
So for my street/strip bike those are important for me. My stealth does give me a nice ride and absorbs bumps very well. And in all fairness this tire is a hookup radial and it does hook up extremely well. 
Thanks
John


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[04 SE Deuce]

Last time,  the comments I semi-quoted were test comments toward Shinko tire models as a whole in sport bike application in which they are out classed in several performance aspects.  Not all negative comments apply to every model Shinko both front and rear.  Sport bikes have 2 wheels and require a front/rear pair of tires and Shinko does not make a pair of tires for a sport bikes that is competitive with the major brands...lap times in every test done has shown that and rider comments echo the same.  The Shinko 003 Stealth front tire in sport bike application is a clunky at best.  Forward grip and side grip are 2 different things,  the 003 Stealth rear has forward grip but lacks side grip so wouldn't be a pick for a sport bike either since side grip but for your application works good since your not concerned with turn speed or lean angle.   Rick

[John/1]

Last time,  the comments I semi-quoted were test comments toward Shinko tire models as a whole in sport bike application in which they are out classed in several performance aspects.  Not all negative comments apply to every model Shinko both front and rear.  Sport bikes have 2 wheels and require a front/rear pair of tires and Shinko does not make a pair of tires for a sport bikes that is competitive with the major brands...lap times in every test done has shown that and rider comments echo the same.  The Shinko 003 Stealth front tire in sport bike application is a clunky at best.  Forward grip and side grip are 2 different things,  the 003 Stealth rear has forward grip but lacks side grip so wouldn't be a pick for a sport bike either since side grip but for your application works good since your not concerned with turn speed or lean angle.   Rick

hi
Last time that ok,you "have quoted false comments"the proof is there, why I guess only you know

[04 SE Deuce]

Your a tough customer John,  have you got stock in Shinko?  My post was worded/directed at sport bike application of Shinko tires not sure why this is important to you.  Your personal application is about as far away from a sport bike application as you can get,  I have no doubt that they work fine on your bike as far as forward traction.

MY posts contained descriptive comments that reiterated what was stated about Shinko tires in the tests,  which again was in regards to Shinko tires in a sport bike application...not all comments apply to all Shinko models front and rear.

It is easy to discern that Shinko came in last in both comparison tests....do you debate that?

If you read the test Shinko does not make a front tire that isn't junk IMO.

The other test I read stated that the Shinko's in all fairness should not have been included in their test/comparison as they weren't comparable to the other brands on the track.

Let me know what I quoted that was false....and I'll re-quote it here with a link to the test.

I have to shake my head when a guy disputes the obvious with multiple posts.    Rick

 

[John/1]

Hi rick
Look and read post #15 and read page 3 on link that you posted,Dont be shaking your head now maybe that the problem.
Thanks John

[04 SE Deuce]

John,  Your referencing a 2010 test and one aspect of the stealth 003...bump absorption.  Is that your whole point and purpose here?  That tire has decent bump absorption but seriously lacks in other areas I've already shared/copied.  The later newer model attempts by Shinko to make a sport tire have poor bump absorption as shown in 2012 Sport Riders test copied below



SHINKO 010 APEX SR RATING 59.6

South Korea-based Shinko Tires has been making a name for itself in the tire market by offering what we were told was adequate performance for far less cost than the more popular name brands. The original tire technology and molds were actually from the old Yokohama Tire company, which was purchased by the Shinko Group back in 1998. The Shinko's sales have been strong enough to get the attention of companies like Dunlop, which re-released its old Qualifier sport tire to counter the Shinko's economic appeal.

The 010 Apex is the company's model "designed for serious sportbike riding." The rear 010 Apex utilizes a zero-degree JLSB (Joint-Less Steel Belted) construction, while the front tire features aramid belts; both tires are made with an "intermediate compound" and have a tread pattern with less void ratio than the usual street tire.

Break-in and warm-up with the Shinkos was the worst in this group, with both Bradley and Kento experiencing a lot of initial squirm and requiring a good five miles up the first canyon road before they had any confidence in the tire. The tire carcass rides smoothly on the highway, but any big bumps can become spine-rattling, and anything more than moderate lean angles quickly cause bump absorption and compliance to go out the window. Overall traction wasn't bad, but rocks and pavement irregularities upset the 010 Apex more than the other tires, requiring more attention midcorner than usual. Steering was high-effort and lethargic compared to the others, and trail-braking caused some stand-up tendencies that needed some muscle to correct. Wear rates were light to moderate, with a lot of feathering at the siping edges.

Considering their low prices, we really wanted to like the Shinkos, but as Bradley stated, "The amount of effort the tires require simply sucks the fun out of a twisty road." While the Shinkos are definitely cheaper than the name brands, we're not so sure the savings are worth it.

Shinko 010 Apex


     
                     Kunitsugu:        Adams:
                     CBR600RR      GSX-R1000     

General              6.4                   6.3

Braking              6.5                   6.3

Traction             5.9                   5.6

Steering             5.2                   5.2




Here is the page 3 of the 2010 test you keep referencing:


The Shinko 003 Stealth is its Shinko's premium sport tire offering. It only costs $1 more than a set of 005 Advances making it the second-least expensive tire in this test. With such a minimal price gap we wonder why anyone would opt for the base-level Advance tire. However after logging a fair number of miles we realize there are some key differences that make the Stealth yet another potential option for a sport rider.
 
Upon weighing each tire we learned that the front hoop is the second-heaviest (9 lb 11.6 oz), meanwhile the drive tire came in at 14 lb 0.8 oz which positioned it as the third-heaviest behind the Shinko Advance and Michelin Pilot Power 2CT. Visually the shape of these tires is even flatter than the Advances. When mounted onto wheels the Stealth's appear wider than any other tires. In fact, it's odd how large the front tire looks.
 
While this maximizes the tire contact patch and puts the most rubber to the pavement it also adversely affects the way the bike turns with the Stealth's offering the slowest and most heavy steering feel. It's so different that it takes a bit of time to become acclimated with the peculiar handling. Since the tires have such a large contact patch it isn't a surprise that the Stealth's offer decent warm-up times comparable to that of the name brands.

In contrast to the Advance's stiff carcass, the Stealth features a much more flexible body front and rear. Bump absorption ranked highly and the tires generally delivered a very good ride. The carcass felt similar to the premium grade Avon VP2s (Group A) but didn't deliver as much feel—especially up front. We were however very impressed by how much feel the rear tire offered. This made it easy to control the backend of the motorcycle under power sliding off a corner. Even though side grip was higher than the Advance it still ranked toward the back of the entire field. Traction levels also fell off at the track as tire temperature increased.

The Shinko 003 Stealth's feature an unusually flat and wide profile which adversely affects steering and overall handling.

According to the Kinelogix data acquisition report, we clocked a best lap time of 1'28.77 at the Streets. This was just over two seconds behind the top finisher in the B Group (Bridgestone BT-016). With the added number of straightaways at the big track the lap time disparity was just over a second (compared to BT-016) with a fastest lap of 1'36.71.
 
With its humongous contact patch drive grip was excellent, delivering more grip off the corner than even the B Group's Michelin Pilot Power 2CT. But when braking hard the front tire would squirm and ranked toward the back of the field in terms of stability. We however, wouldn't term it "bad" and chalk it up to a matter of rider preference.

Riders looking for a flexible and forgiving tire with good straight-line performance need to look no further than the 003 Stealth. We especially appreciated the elevated feel from the back tire which made it fun to power slide on track. The only real flaw is these tires adversely affect steering which makes the motorcycle more difficult to pilot during cornering maneuvers.

RIDER NOTES:
 
"The front tire feels significantly different than the others. Steering felt very heavy and turn-in was slow. It takes time to get use to how much more slowly the bike tips into a corner. The tire flexes a lot and builds good heat right away. Rear tire drive grip was excellent but edge grip is lacking. Rear tire feel is unreal though which makes it easy to spin up the rear tire at will. Traction did fall off and the rear tire felt greasy after just a few laps."


Keep in mind Sport tires have improved since 2010.   Rick

[John/1]

Hi rick
Like I said in post #15 I agreed with those term,did I not.You said in post # 12 harsh ride and poor bump absorption did you not.Now you post page # 3 in paragraph 4 states bump absorption ranked highly and the tires generally delivered a very good ride did it not,can you not see the difference.To answer your question why am I here? I believe we are all here in this forum for the same reasons to help each other with our rides and fellowship. At least that is why I am here.

[04 SE Deuce]

Simple misunderstanding John...mostly on your part at this point as I stated already that I was talking about more than the Stealth 003 that you are stuck on.

I put everything in print here for all to see to make it obvious.  Shinko's are sub par on a sport bike...my original comment.   Rick

Maybe you missed the fact that my original post was in response to Reply #1,  not your post,  Also I believe you are the only one that is focused on the 003 nobody else has mentioned it.  Regardless still a "last place" tire for sport bikes.  I stated clearly from the first post that I was referring to sport bike application,   and stated that the 003 it no doubt ok for your bike as it has zero focus on lean angle or turn speed...opposite of a sport bike.


You even acting like you didn't understand the question in the quote below.

"John,  Your referencing a 2010 test and one aspect of the stealth 003...bump absorption.  Is that your whole point and purpose here?"

In real simple terms my question was:  Is your whole point and purpose here to substantiate that there was one positive attribute to one model Shinko the 003  (attributed mostly to the rear only),  that being bump absorption?  Hell I'll give you forward traction also...still junk on a sport bike.

[shovelbill]

I don't know about the tire you're asking about, but I wouldn't run two different tires on a bike......i'd prefer BOTH tires have the same tread pattern and handling characteristics................after all, we only have 2 wheels.

just my opinion.

Normally I would agree with you. but on a hardtail chopper I think you're just looking for a decent combo of tires. You 've already thrown away any scientific balance on the machine.

gottcha.....my old brother used to run a Conti Blitz and an Avon Speedmaster on his rigid 102" pan..........hooked up well and went straight just fine.

[John/1]

thanks guys, i ordered one today

Hi all
Let us know how you like your new tire,good to see all the good comment on Shinko.I like my 003 stealth a lot,nice ridding I run 25 psi on the street for extra grip.I put over 160 HP to the ground naturally/asperated.I will start with 18 psi at the strip add see how it goes.I am working on getting tire and clutch to work together and slowly decrease air pressure while adjusting clutch tune.Just want to go fast
Thanks John.